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[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Then it would be nice to be able to put points into this "skill" manually. OK, you can always use the Death Mask, but that hides your face and looks silly, so I can't make myself believe it can really give a negotiation bonus.  As it is, I must carefully balance my Paragon and Renegade points to make sure I can act as I want to. Playing for the numbers - that's what I dislike most in RPGs, and why I prefer advancement by point allocation to advancement by practice. At least it's fortunate that my preferred actions in ME2 (as opposed to ME1) result in a balance of P/G with a slight favor for P, so I have no problems with my two "main" Shepards.

If you own the PC version, there's always cheating to balance out your Paragon/Renegade points. Not that I'd know anything about that .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...
Old video card blew yesterday so I had to pick up a new one for my gaming rig and I just have to say... holy cr*p. The whole game looks amazing... especially a certain blue-eyed brunette. It's like falling in love again. Not that I'm saying I'm in love with a video game character *cough*

Don't tell me. Considering how hard it is to make me consider myself a fan of anything, my reaction to Miranda is weird. Sometimes I almost question my own sanity. But then, Miranda is a type of character we rarely see in games. Even in books, they tend to be antagonists.

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Don't tell me. Considering how hard it is to make me consider myself a fan of anything, my reaction to Miranda is weird. Sometimes I almost question my own sanity. But then, Miranda is a type of character we rarely see in games. Even in books, they tend to be antagonists.

You wouldn't think it at first, with the way Bioware marketed her, but Miranda breaks a lot of molds in terms of stereotypical female characters. She's definitely not a damsel in distress but she's not a vixen either. They called her a femme fatale but when she kills it's for a cause she believes in. She's labelled as the loyalist, but she's capable of coming to her own conclusions. She's interesting because she definitely has attributes we can identify (confidence, loyalty, vulnerability) but it's so hard to pidgeonhole her. That's my take on it anyways.

I kinda wish she'd turned into an antagonist. It might have made for an interesting twist. Not an antagonist we get to kill mind you, but an antagonist who makes a return in ME3 that we can bring back to our side again.

You sound like you've got a specific book or books in mind Ieldra. Got any suggestions for reading material? I'm stuck sitting around with a broken leg so I've got some time on my hands.

[Breakdown Boy]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Don't tell me. Considering how hard it is to make me consider myself a fan of anything, my reaction to Miranda is weird. Sometimes I almost question my own sanity. But then, Miranda is a type of character we rarely see in games. Even in books, they tend to be antagonists.

You wouldn't think it at first, with the way Bioware marketed her, but Miranda breaks a lot of molds in terms of stereotypical female characters. She's definitely not a damsel in distress but she's not a vixen either. They called her a femme fatale but when she kills it's for a cause she believes in. She's labelled as the loyalist, but she's capable of coming to her own conclusions. She's interesting because she definitely has attributes we can identify (confidence, loyalty, vulnerability) but it's so hard to pidgeonhole her. That's my take on it anyways.

I kinda wish she'd turned into an antagonist. It might have made for an interesting twist. Not an antagonist we get to kill mind you, but an antagonist who makes a return in ME3 that we can bring back to our side again.

You sound like you've got a specific book or books in mind Ieldra. Got any suggestions for reading material? I'm stuck sitting around with a broken leg so I've got some time on my hands.

Hi all

My favourite book series is Jean M. Auel's Earth Children series. Book 1 is Clan of the Cave Bear, is story about a girl in the ice age that looses her family in a earthquake and barely survives a cave lion attack and is then discovered by neanderthals who take care of her and raise her. Great book and series.

There are 5 books in total with a 6th book still to come out....eventually, the writer took 10 years to write the 5th book after the 4th book came out.

[Ieldra]

Whole Particle wrote...

Just finished up Kasumi's loyalty mission recently.

Was really hoping for the option to bring your current LI to the party. The potential banter between you two and the rich elitists would have been awesome.

Or maybe I just wanted to see Miranda assisting in infiltrating the hideout in a fancy black dress...

Miranda in that black dress would be great. Well, it would, if the body skin textures were any good. Faces are good, but everything else looks like a rubber doll - which evokes some unpleasant imagery.

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...
You sound like you've got a specific book or books in mind Ieldra. Got any suggestions for reading material? I'm stuck sitting around with a broken leg so I've got some time on my hands.

No, not specific books. I read quite a lot and regularly review Fantasy books. Good worlds are not that rare, as are good stories. But good, interesting, multifacted characters, these are rare in both SF and Fantasy.  For a character like Miranda who's not an antagonist I can't think of any at this time. Maybe I'll find one if I go through my library.

I don't know your reading preferences, but currently I'm reading the cycle "The Twilight Realm" (3 of ? books released) by Tom Lloyd, and I can also recommend "A Trial of Blood and Steel" (3 of 4 books released, may be necessary to import from Australia) by Joel Shepherd. One of the best Fantasy stories ever written is "A Prince of Nothing" (3 books) by R Scott Bakker - I said in a review this doesn't simply belong on every Fantasy fan's bookshelf, it belongs on every bookshelf.

No Miranda-like characters in all of these, I'm afraid. For SF books I'd have to browse my library.
Otherwise, my favorite authors are Janny Wurts, Steven Erikson, Patricia A McKillip and Tanith Lee, with the older classics preferred by the latter two. I should mention I don't like LotR much, for reasons I'd rather not go into here.

[Breakdown Boy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Whole Particle wrote...

Just finished up Kasumi's loyalty mission recently.

Was really hoping for the option to bring your current LI to the party. The potential banter between you two and the rich elitists would have been awesome.

Or maybe I just wanted to see Miranda assisting in infiltrating the hideout in a fancy black dress...

Miranda in that black dress would be great. Well, it would, if the body skin textures were any good. Faces are good, but everything else looks like a rubber doll - which evokes some unpleasant imagery.

Yep, I must say I didn't like the femShep dress at all. The maleShep suit is super cool, I wear it all the time on the Normandy.

Miranda in a black dress..mmmmm

[Breakdown Boy]

I think the party outfits could look something like this....well just add SMG locusts.....

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...
There isn't enough Miranda discussion going on.

So how many of you guys went into the game thinking you'd like Miranda?

I didn't know anything about her when I started the game, because I didn't watch any of her promotional videos and didn't read her description on the site.
When I saw her at the waking up scene I was curious.
When she shot Wilson I thought she'd be interesting.
When she said she didn't need a friend and that she would have put a control chip in Shepard's head, I thought she'd be very interesting.
That turned out to be so very true...

[fongiel24]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

I think the party outfits could look something like this....well just add SMG locusts.....

Shepherd's finger is resting on the trigger, inside the trigger guard. Didn't they teach him anything in bootcamp?

Breakdown Boy wrote...

My favourite book series is Jean M.
Auel's Earth Children series. Book 1 is Clan of the Cave Bear, is story
about a girl in the ice age that looses her family in a earthquake and
barely survives a cave lion attack and is then discovered by
neanderthals who take care of her and raise her. Great book and series.

There
are 5 books in total with a 6th book still to come out....eventually,
the writer took 10 years to write the 5th book after the 4th book came
out.../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't know your reading preferences,
but currently I'm reading the cycle "The Twilight Realm" (3 of ? books
released) by Tom Lloyd, and I can also recommend "A Trial of Blood and
Steel" (3 of 4 books released, may be necessary to import from
Australia) by Joel Shepherd. One of the best Fantasy stories ever
written is "A Prince of Nothing" (3 books) by R Scott Bakker - I said in
a review this doesn't simply belong on every Fantasy fan's bookshelf,
it belongs on every bookshelf.

No Miranda-like characters in all
of these, I'm afraid. For SF books I'd have to browse my library.
Otherwise,
my favorite authors are Janny Wurts, Steven Erikson, Patricia A
McKillip and Tanith Lee, with the older classics preferred by the latter
two. I should mention I don't like LotR much, for reasons I'd rather
not go into here.

Thanks for the suggestions guys, I'll have to twist somebody's arm into grabbing a few of them for me.

[Breakdown Boy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
There isn't enough Miranda discussion going on.

So how many of you guys went into the game thinking you'd like Miranda?

I didn't know anything about her when I started the game, because I didn't watch any of her promotional videos and didn't read her description on the site.
When I saw her at the waking up scene I was curious.
When she shot Wilson I thought she'd be interesting.
When she said she didn't need a friend and that she would have put a control chip in Shepard's head, I thought she'd be very interesting.
That turned out to be so very true...

That was the same for me, although I did read an article about ME2 that said Miranda would cause a few people to ditch their Li's, I was sceptical after watching her 'loyalist' vid.

But shortly after Freedom's Progress her character develops and blooms.

[Sleepy Buddha]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
There isn't enough Miranda discussion going on.

So how many of you guys went into the game thinking you'd like Miranda?

I didn't know anything about her when I started the game, because I didn't watch any of her promotional videos and didn't read her description on the site.
When I saw her at the waking up scene I was curious.
When she shot Wilson I thought she'd be interesting.
When she said she didn't need a friend and that she would have put a control chip in Shepard's head, I thought she'd be very interesting.
That turned out to be so very true...

My reaction to Miranda was quite similar to Ieldra's.

Didn't have any opinion regarding her going into the game as I had not followed the pre-release buzz. Was too focused on Uncharted 2.

During the wake up scene I thought she was beautiful, but that was about it. Didn't change anything.

Wilson's execution made me stop and think a bit about her. Combined with her logs on the station, I became quite interested. She was driven, focused and ruthless. Very different from the characters we had met in ME. I liked that.

The control chip comment was the moment I began to believe she might be the one I'd like the most. In that single observation, I saw that not only did she have a mind of her own, she was not affraid to speak it. She was honest and direct. I really liked that.

And fortunately I was right. Not only was she all those things, she was much more than that. And even better.



As for Miranda's sex scene, as I've said before, I love it. The moment they unleash their barely restrained passion is beautiful to behold. The tenderness of the tummy hug shows how deeply they care for each other, and from then on it's as if there is nothing else in the universe besides the two of them. I love the understated tenderness and overstated passion of the scene.

As for the engine room, as I've also said before, maybe the Core gives off good VIBRATIONS.

[Markinator_123]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Don't tell me. Considering how hard it is to make me consider myself a fan of anything, my reaction to Miranda is weird. Sometimes I almost question my own sanity. But then, Miranda is a type of character we rarely see in games. Even in books, they tend to be antagonists.

You wouldn't think it at first, with the way Bioware marketed her, but Miranda breaks a lot of molds in terms of stereotypical female characters. She's definitely not a damsel in distress but she's not a vixen either. They called her a femme fatale but when she kills it's for a cause she believes in. She's labelled as the loyalist, but she's capable of coming to her own conclusions. She's interesting because she definitely has attributes we can identify (confidence, loyalty, vulnerability) but it's so hard to pidgeonhole her. That's my take on it anyways.

I kinda wish she'd turned into an antagonist. It might have made for an interesting twist. Not an antagonist we get to kill mind you, but an antagonist who makes a return in ME3 that we can bring back to our side again.

You sound like you've got a specific book or books in mind Ieldra. Got any suggestions for reading material? I'm stuck sitting around with a broken leg so I've got some time on my hands.

Please don't give Bioware any ideas. No antagonist role for Miranda at all. That would **** me off.

[jtav]

Antagonist Miranda? I'd be grabbing popcorn. As long as we didn't have to kill her.Intelligent, driven, competent beyond all reason. Her virtues could be easily twisted into vices. And she would be more sympathetic and relatable than Harbinger. She would have been a true match for Shepard.



Not interested in seeing it now, but it would have been fascinating for ME2.

[t3HPrO]

askanec wrote...

Miranda is the kind of boss who always hides in her office with the doors closed and you have no real idea what she actually does.

For all we know,she might be...uh...doing something lonely women do when they're home alone over Shepard's picture.

[Errol Dnamyx]

She writes a poem?

[Valmy]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

She writes a poem?

Oh Shepard do I compare thee to an Ilium Summer's Day?

[Valmy]

Markinator_123 wrote...
Please don't give Bioware any ideas. No antagonist role for Miranda at all. That would **** me off.

Relax.  That will not happen.

[Valmy]

Breakdown Boy wrote...
That was the same for me, although I did read an article about ME2 that said Miranda would cause a few people to ditch their Li's, I was sceptical after watching her 'loyalist' vid.

But shortly after Freedom's Progress her character develops and blooms.

Yeah the pre-game publicity made her seem alot more one dimensional than she really was.  They presented her as some sort of ruthless Cerberus honey pot or something.

[jtav]

Valmy wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...
Please don't give Bioware any ideas. No antagonist role for Miranda at all. That would **** me off.

Relax.  That will not happen.

Even if some of us would have liked it. Provided there was a suitably epic redemption.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...
Even if some of us would have liked it. Provided there was a suitably epic redemption.

It would have worked before her character developement in ME2,  but it just wouldn't work now without basically ignoring everything that happened...not to mention the fact that she might not have survived.

That was what I was getting at, not that it wouldn't have been cool.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Antagonist Miranda? I'd be grabbing popcorn. As long as we didn't have to kill her.Intelligent, driven, competent beyond all reason. Her virtues could be easily twisted into vices. And she would be more sympathetic and relatable than Harbinger. She would have been a true match for Shepard.

Not interested in seeing it now, but it would have been fascinating for ME2.

That would have needed a different plot. It's hard to come up with convincing arguments for a human to work with the Reapers, and she'd have to do that out of conviction, not indoctrination, to keep her character intact. Also, as a character she would have made a fascinating antagonist, but giving her an antagonist agenda that doesn't destroy what we find fascinating about her is not so easy. 

So, I'm glad she hasn't turned out that way in ME2. And I don't think she will in ME3 after what happens at the end of ME2.

In another plot, she could have been the kind of character the protagonist was irresistibly attracted to, only with the catch that she's the enemy. Maybe even the hidden enemy. Not really new - this has been done countless times between Milady de Winter and Elektra King - and plenty of chances to go off into major cheese, but there'd be a lot of possibilities for plots and character development. But I don't think the majority of the gamer demographic is ready for something where the enemy doesn't scream "I'm the villain" in the player's face at 100dB, or for an enemy who betrays you and who you are attracted to in spite of it, with the possibility of a good ending for both. Anyway that's hard to pull off, between the countless cheesy romances where two enemies come together in the end on one side, and the countless other stories with enemies who are just too evil to be attracted to after you know about them.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 mai 2010 - 01:45 .

[Jebel Krong]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
There isn't enough Miranda discussion going on.

So how many of you guys went into the game thinking you'd like Miranda?

I didn't know anything about her when I started the game, because I didn't watch any of her promotional videos and didn't read her description on the site.
When I saw her at the waking up scene I was curious.
When she shot Wilson I thought she'd be interesting.
When she said she didn't need a friend and that she would have put a control chip in Shepard's head, I thought she'd be very interesting.
That turned out to be so very true...

My reaction to Miranda was quite similar to Ieldra's.

Didn't have any opinion regarding her going into the game as I had not followed the pre-release buzz. Was too focused on Uncharted 2.

During the wake up scene I thought she was beautiful, but that was about it. Didn't change anything.

Wilson's execution made me stop and think a bit about her. Combined with her logs on the station, I became quite interested. She was driven, focused and ruthless. Very different from the characters we had met in ME. I liked that.

The control chip comment was the moment I began to believe she might be the one I'd like the most. In that single observation, I saw that not only did she have a mind of her own, she was not affraid to speak it. She was honest and direct. I really liked that.

And fortunately I was right. Not only was she all those things, she was much more than that. And even better.



As for Miranda's sex scene, as I've said before, I love it. The moment they unleash their barely restrained passion is beautiful to behold. The tenderness of the tummy hug shows how deeply they care for each other, and from then on it's as if there is nothing else in the universe besides the two of them. I love the understated tenderness and overstated passion of the scene.

As for the engine room, as I've also said before, maybe the Core gives off good VIBRATIONS.

this. though i didn't like her in the preview builds (the character model changed quite a bit by release) and her attitude at the beginning of the game is (purposely) frosty towards you. in terms of well-rounded characters, mass effect 2 is as good as they come, and miranda is at the very top. she would make an interesting antagonist, but i'm glad she's not.

[jtav]

The only problem I have with the engine room scene is the timing.The scene gets a little creepy once you realize there are no people there, not because Miranda cleared the room, but because they've all been kidnapped. Way to ruin the mood. I would have also made the "promise me" dialogue immediately precede the sex scene proper, but that's my own preference.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

The only problem I have with the engine room scene is the timing.The scene gets a little creepy once you realize there are no people there, not because Miranda cleared the room, but because they've all been kidnapped. Way to ruin the mood. I would have also made the "promise me" dialogue immediately precede the sex scene proper, but that's my own preference.

I do not understand why the sex scene has to take place right before the suicide mission.  It sorta made sense in ME1, because once you have stolen your own ship who cares about fraternization regulations?  But this time you are involved in a civilian operation, granted it is quasi-military but still.  Why the wait?  And further more shouldn't Shep and his first officer be planning for the operation they are going to begin in less than two hours rather than taking time off to relax...or other things?

The sex scene should happen...you know...whenever it feels right in the relationship.  The convention from ME1 doesn't have to be followed.