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[ComTrav]

One HOPES she wasn't so weirded out by it she won't be back for ME3.

[Andysilv]

I think I might re-play ME2 again soon. Perhaps I will have a new perspective on Miranda now, a few months after my original playthroughs. Would be nice to contribute regularly to the thread again.

[Valmy]

ComTrav wrote...
This is a powerful feminist commentary; positively or negatively, women are initially judged entirely on their appearance--often, even by other women.

Yeah it drives me nuts.  I am not sure why a female character cannot be BOTH eye candy and a great character.  Male characters are both all the time.

[Valmy]

ComTrav wrote...

One HOPES she wasn't so weirded out by it she won't be back for ME3.

I was terrified of that to but she usualy mentions how great it was to be in ME2 in other interviews, probably as just a way to plug her work I suspect, but she clearly took the role seriously and liked Miranda well enough.

What sorta creeped me out is people equating watching Shep and Miranda have a make-out 'sex' scene as meaning they themselves had sex with Yvonne Strahovski.  That is just weird.  Do they think Zachary Levi had 'sex' with her also in Chuck?  I mean she is an actress she pretends to have sex all the time, part of the job.  Further it is hardly unusual for sexual content to be in entertainment I am not sure why everybody gets so excited it is in a video game as if they have never seen a movie or TV show before.

[Valmy]

andysilv87 wrote...

I think I might re-play ME2 again soon. Perhaps I will have a new perspective on Miranda now, a few months after my original playthroughs. Would be nice to contribute regularly to the thread again.

Eventually I need to get back to me ME1 replay leading to ME2...I am just girding myself for excrutiatingly boring MAKO action.

[jtav]

Mako? *shudders*



Hmm. Maybe I should do a "this is how the romance should have gone" story. Any interest? I probab;y couldn't post the link here though.

[Andysilv]

jtav wrote...

Mako? *shudders*

Hmm. Maybe I should do a "this is how the romance should have gone" story. Any interest? I probably couldn't post the link here though.

What happened to that little re-write type thing you did a couple of weeks ago? That was really good, you had some great ideas. Would definitely be interested to see it in fanfic form.

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
For instance, reliance on gut instincts which developed to engender group loyalty got us into fascism. I'll never trust them again

So if I feel in my heart something is wrong and I don't do it based on that I am walking down the road to fascism?

That's not what I said. What I meant is: if you trust your moral intuitions and act on them without thinking the matter through and weighing good and bad consequences, you're in danger of becoming a victim of manipulation, or react with built-in mechanisms that may have served us well in the stone age but may since have become obsolete or dangerous.

So, if you only feel keeping the base is wrong, but can't give me a supporting argument strong enough to counter Legion's reasoning:
Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others.
Then I will count your choice an unreasonable one.

[ComTrav]

Valmy wrote...


What sorta creeped me out is people equating watching Shep and Miranda have a make-out 'sex' scene as meaning they themselves had sex with Yvonne Strahovski.  That is just weird.  Do they think Zachary Levi had 'sex' with her also in Chuck?  I mean she is an actress she pretends to have sex all the time, part of the job.  Further it is hardly unusual for sexual content to be in entertainment I am not sure why everybody gets so excited it is in a video game as if they have never seen a movie or TV show before.

Well, the freaking out over sex in ME1 was way, way worse. I think part of it is, unlike other media, gaming puts you in the game.

One thing that's interesting to me is that gaming makes a ton of money, but it doesn't have the same cultural reach as other media. People outside of video games only know a couple of video games (Madden, WoW, maybe Modern Warfare 2.) I could easily name singers whose music you'd recognize even if you don't like them or never sought them out, and movies you'd broadly recognize even if you've never seen them. Gaming is moving towards that cultural reach and acceptance (thank you, Nintendo Wii and FarmVille) but we're not there yet.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
And it could have been easily done. Play up Miranda's anxieties about becoming emotionally involved during the suicide mission. "I want this, but not right now." After you set course for the relay, she calls you to her room and says she's been doing some thinking. She doesn't want to wait after all. She asks you to promise you won't die, with the normal choices (hug and "worth it" included.) She smiles, says "Then what are you waiting for?" and kisses you. Cue the beginning of a fun, playful sex scene.

I don't necessarily agree this would have been better than what we've got - see my post about the engine room scene being a release of built-up passion that needed no words - but it would have been a very good alternative, particularly suited to more Paragon Shepards from the vibes I get off the description. Was it intended as some sort of more Paragon-ish alternative?

Edit:
What's happening with this thread? Almost a whole page was added while I was writing one post....Almost like 2 months ago, only with the difference it's almost all on-topic.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 mai 2010 - 05:20 .

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
That's not what I said. What I meant is: if you trust your moral intuitions and act on them without thinking the matter through and weighing good and bad consequences, you're in danger of becoming a victim of manipulation, or react with built-in mechanisms that may have served us well in the stone age but may since have become obsolete or dangerous.

 
Hence why I asked for clarification.  A character who is totally awesome and also completely logical and careful would just be boring to play.  Great heroes often act on instinct, they are doers not thinkers which is a quality that often leads to their downfall.

So, if you only feel keeping the base is wrong, but can't give me a supporting argument strong enough to counter Legion's reasoning:
Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others.
Then I will count your choice an unreasonable one.

I only have every other instance of using reaper tech leading to constant disaster to back it up.  100% correlation is pretty compelling.  It was only through heroic effort on Sheps part that using the Citadel didn't lead to the destruction and/or enslavement of every species in the galaxy.  Besides Legion is one to talk, the Geth reasoning for rejecting the tech the Reapers offered them was precisely the same.

But even if that was NOT true I still would have had Shep destroy the base.  He is not known for being totally rational and reasonable in my hands.  He does whatever he thinks is best based on his moral code and instincts in the moment.

Modifié par Valmy, 06 mai 2010 - 05:23 .

[jtav]

andysilv87 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Mako? *shudders*

Hmm. Maybe I should do a "this is how the romance should have gone" story. Any interest? I probably couldn't post the link here though.

What happened to that little re-write type thing you did a couple of weeks ago? That was really good, you had some great ideas. Would definitely be interested to see it in fanfic form.

I just reposted it in an altered and condensed form. Though, if it were a fic, I'd probably just simplify thing and let them just go ahead and have sex after that conco without any need to wait for the relay. I'd probably set it after the Collector Ship or IFF and have Shep take a bullet for her and be wounded, which forces a serious conversation.

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Edit:
What's happening with this thread? Almost a whole page was added while I was writing one post....Almost like 2 months ago, only with the difference it's almost all on-topic.

Not sure.  Everybody showed up all the sudden.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
And it could have been easily done. Play up Miranda's anxieties about becoming emotionally involved during the suicide mission. "I want this, but not right now." After you set course for the relay, she calls you to her room and says she's been doing some thinking. She doesn't want to wait after all. She asks you to promise you won't die, with the normal choices (hug and "worth it" included.) She smiles, says "Then what are you waiting for?" and kisses you. Cue the beginning of a fun, playful sex scene.

I don't necessarily agree this would have been better than what we've got - see my post about the engine room scene being a release of built-up passion that needed no words - but it would have been a very good alternative, particularly suited to more Paragon Shepards from the vibes I get off the description. Was it intended as some sort of more Paragon-ish alternative?

Edit:
What's happening with this thread? Almost a whole page was added while I was writing one post....Almost like 2 months ago, only with the difference it's almost all on-topic.

It was originally conceived as a way to make use of the "Friends?" line, but I tend to think in Paragon terms and am pretty verbal. It's the kind of thing I find romantic.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...
It was originally conceived as a way to make use of the "Friends?" line, but I tend to think in Paragon terms and am pretty verbal. It's the kind of thing I find romantic.

When does she say "friends?" if you turn her down?

Notice that as soon as Ieldra2 said the thread is moving so fast now it stopped moving.  Way to jinx us!

Modifié par Valmy, 06 mai 2010 - 05:37 .

[ComTrav]

Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...
It was originally conceived as a way to make use of the "Friends?" line, but I tend to think in Paragon terms and am pretty verbal. It's the kind of thing I find romantic.

When does she say "friends?" if you turn her down?

Notice that as soon as Ieldra2 said the thread is moving so fast now it stopped moving.  Way to jinx us!

...this trick always used to work...



Does Yvonne teaching swordfighting ever get old? I think not.

[jtav]

Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...
It was originally conceived as a way to make use of the "Friends?" line, but I tend to think in Paragon terms and am pretty verbal. It's the kind of thing I find romantic.

When does she say "friends?" if you turn her down?

Notice that as soon as Ieldra2 said the thread is moving so fast now it stopped moving.  Way to jinx us!

Exact words:

Miranda: What idiotic bunch of hormones thought that now was a great time for love?
Shepard: This isn't the time to be getting involved, is it?
Miranda: No. I don't think it is.
Shepard: Maybe someday, after we save the galaxy?
Miranda: Let's see how it goes. Until then... friends?

You're actually grasping each other's hands during that last bit. I find it all a bit

[Valmy]

ComTrav wrote...
Does Yvonne teaching swordfighting ever get old? I think not.

*stares blankly*

Um...what?  Oh yeah never gets old. 

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...
You're actually grasping each other's hands during that last bit. I find it all a bit

The problem is I don't think the game would count that as being an active romance and thus the promise of waiting until after the mission is done would go nowhere and ME3 wouldn't acknowledge it.

Or maybe not?

[Nightwriter]

ComTrav wrote...

One HOPES she wasn't so weirded out by it she won't be back for ME3.

Nah, Casey Hudson will win her back. Am I the only one who thinks he's quite cute? He reminds me of Zachary Quinto.





Hawt.

[Valmy]

Reminds? Casey could be his twin!



Are you sure that is not actually a picture of our favorite Hero/Spock actor?

[ComTrav]

Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...
You're actually grasping each other's hands during that last bit. I find it all a bit

The problem is I don't think the game would count that as being an active romance and thus the promise of waiting until after the mission is done would go nowhere and ME3 wouldn't acknowledge it.

Or maybe not?

You could just say, "Oh, yeah, I totalled fell in love with Miranda" during the ME3 opening questionnaire. (I found it a little unusual there was nothing about your ME1 LI in the ME2 questtionaire.)

...I'm really hoping there will be some ME3 news in June, at E3. Months ago when this thread started I had JUST GOTTEN ME2 and played it, so it was totally fine that there was nothing about ME3. Now I'm a little more anxious for news about ME3 since I'm hanging out here, and there is none, other then Bioware-probably-working on it. I should just cave and buy the Kasumi DLC for that much more ME.

...also, now that I've played Starcraft 2, I feel like gaming for the rest of the year is all going to be downhill.There are other games that'll be good, and that I'm interested in, (Civ5 was very welcome), but I already got to play my most anticipated games of the year by February.

[Andysilv]

He does super look like Sylar, lol. I used to think I was the only person who thought so until I registered on these forums.

[Valmy]

andysilv87 wrote...

He does super look like Sylar, lol. I used to think I was the only person who thought so until I registered on these forums.

The resemblance is uncanny.

Man movie star good looks AND he works at Bioware?  I wish I were Casey Hudson.

Modifié par Valmy, 06 mai 2010 - 05:56 .

[Nightwriter]

Valmy wrote...

Reminds? Casey could be his twin!

Are you sure that is not actually a picture of our favorite Hero/Spock actor?

That is a picture of Zachary Quinto, young Spock's actor.