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[jtav]

Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...
You're actually grasping each other's hands during that last bit. I find it all a bit

The problem is I don't think the game would count that as being an active romance and thus the promise of waiting until after the mission is done would go nowhere and ME3 wouldn't acknowledge it.

Or maybe not?

Who cares about ME3? I'm just sayimg I found it romantic and would have used it during the romance proper.

[Valmy]

Nightwriter wrote...
That is a picture of Zachary Quinto, young Spock's actor.

Oh good I was about to say...hehe

Here is Casey:



Still a good looking dude.

[Andysilv]

Valmy wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

He does super look like Sylar, lol. I used to think I was the only person who thought so until I registered on these forums.

The resemblance is uncanny.

Man movie star good looks AND he works at Bioware?  I wish I were Casey Hudson.

You aren't? But all this time I thought...

[Valmy]

andysilv87 wrote...
You aren't? But all this time I thought...

Shhhhh!  Don't blow my cover.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...
Who cares about ME3? I'm just sayimg I found it romantic and would have used it during the romance proper.

I was just speculating on the promise to get involved once the mission was over, whether that was actually going to happen or whether that ended the romance.

[Nightwriter]

Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...
Who cares about ME3? I'm just sayimg I found it romantic and would have used it during the romance proper.

I was just speculating on the promise to get involved once the mission was over, whether that was actually going to happen or whether that ended the romance.

I've often wondered that. And then mused whether or not it was a bit dangerous of Bioware to leave all these paths open.

[ComTrav]

Valmy wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...
You aren't? But all this time I thought...

Shhhhh!  Don't blow my cover.

Alright, we'll just call you Hasy Cudson.

And I'll read NOTHING into the fact you have a Miranda banner in your sig. Nothing at all.

[Andysilv]

ComTrav wrote...

Valmy wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...
You aren't? But all this time I thought...

Shhhhh!  Don't blow my cover.

Alright, we'll just call you Hasy Cudson.

And I'll read NOTHING into the fact you have a Miranda banner in your sig. Nothing at all.

It's the best dev poster we ever could've wished for too.

[Collider]

I doubt there will be multiple paths. One romance is hard enough to write and implement.

[Nightwriter]

I remember during one of the pre-release GameTrailer bits on ME2, my mom sat down to watch it with me.

She watched Casey Hudson talking for a little bit, very focused, then said, "He's quite cute... the way he talks... just very cute."

I was like, "Omg I know!"

[ComTrav]

Collider wrote...

I doubt there will be multiple paths. One romance is hard enough to write and implement.

Jack's romance has multiple paths, doesn't it?

[Collider]

Casey Hudson is a lying devil and you know it.

[Valmy]

Collider wrote...

Casey Hudson is a lying devil and you know it.

Bwahahahahaha!

I mean...yes he is that rascally bastard!

[Collider]

ComTrav wrote...

Collider wrote...

I doubt there will be multiple paths. One romance is hard enough to write and implement.

Jack's romance has multiple paths, doesn't it?

If you consider one sex scene and being told "**** you" to be a path. I thought we were talking about ME2 - ME3.

[Valmy]

ComTrav wrote...
Jack's romance has multiple paths, doesn't it?

They have quite a tangled web to unweave for ME3.  I am sorta thankful there is not going to be a ME4.

[Nightwriter]

Collider wrote...

Casey Hudson is a lying devil and you know it.

Poor Collider. He's spent too much time with the Liara fans. The residue of spite and bitterness is seeping into his brain.

[Collider]

Valmy wrote...

ComTrav wrote...
Jack's romance has multiple paths, doesn't it?

They have quite a tangled web to unweave for ME3.  I am sorta thankful there is not going to be a ME4.

On that note, Bioware did say they were going to go all out in ME3 and have all sorts of branching paths for this very reason. No more worry about importing.

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
That's not what I said. What I meant is: if you trust your moral intuitions and act on them without thinking the matter through and weighing good and bad consequences, you're in danger of becoming a victim of manipulation, or react with built-in mechanisms that may have served us well in the stone age but may since have become obsolete or dangerous.

Hence why I asked for clarification.  A character who is totally awesome and also completely logical and careful would just be boring to play.  Great heroes often act on instinct, they are doers not thinkers which is a quality that often leads to their downfall.

Which is one reason I like to play my great hero differently

So, if you only feel keeping the base is wrong, but can't give me a supporting argument strong enough to counter Legion's reasoning:
Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others.
Then I will count your choice an unreasonable one.

I only have every other instance of using reaper tech leading to constant disaster to back it up.  100% correlation is pretty compelling.  It was only through heroic effort on Sheps part that using the Citadel didn't lead to the destruction and/or enslavement of every species in the galaxy.  Besides Legion is one to talk, the Geth reasoning for rejecting the tech the Reapers offered them was precisely the same.

Except that in the case of the Heretics, they knew they would give up self-determination if they followed the path set for them by Sovereign - as, btw, IMO anyone who dogmatically follows a god's doctrines does. We do not know that, for as I understand it, this is not about actually using Reaper technology, it's about deciphering the knowledge it represents, and then improving our own technology through that knowledge. I guess that's one assumption we'll disagree about from the start.
 

But even if that was NOT true I still would have had Shep destroy the base.  He is not known for being totally rational and reasonable in my hands.  He does whatever he thinks is best based on his moral code and instincts in the moment.

Who is - totally reasonable, I mean? Perhaps I have too much faith in the human capacity to understand. As I said abovethread, I don't believe human scientists would let the situation of using the mass relays without understanding them continue, even without the Reapers. I think understanding even of the most dangerous things can be gained in small increments - as would have been the case on the Alarei had not some misguided passion (!) on Rael's part forced things. In ME1, we didn't know and were at a disadvantage, in ME2, TIM is in a hurry and his scientists have to deal with the consequences. No one is as careful as necessary.

And so, you'll play your Shepard and I'll play mine. In the end, I think we'll both have a great story to tell.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 mai 2010 - 06:26 .

[ComTrav]

Well, I think ME2 had two problems with carry-overs from ME1. One of them is that they had to export it again to ME3, so they couldn't go too crazy with branching paths, and the other was that this was the first time they did something like that. Whenever you are building gaming franchises, you often do proof-of-concept type stuff first before you go all-out.





...has anyone had any luck transferring their Xbox 360 ME2 saves to a memory card or disk? I was able to move my ME1 saves, so I don't need to do an ME1 speedrun if my Xbox actually dies. (And controlling gravity with my mind as an adept never gets old, and I'd do the Miranda romance again.)



...and to be fair, Liara really got kind of screwed in-game. There's DLC which may/may not be forthcoming. But she is in a comic (was it any good? I *might* buy it if I see it in trade. It would help if they could get more of a heavy-hitting creative team...I mean, the World of Warcraft comic has Walt Simonson!)

[jtav]

Nightwriter has *cough* convinced me to do the romance rewrite. God help us all.

[Collider]

Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara were sidelined in order for guaranteed survival for ME3. And when put things into perspective, had they been squad mates, they would also probably be romances. And when put that in perspective, that would mean that the ME2 romances would be at a disadvantage - Liara would have 3 games of romance, Miranda 2. It's also easier on the writers to write two levels of romance progression for each character.

[Collider]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara were sidelined in order for guaranteed survival for ME3. And when put things into perspective, had they been squad mates, they would also probably be romances. And when put that in perspective, that would mean that the ME2 romances would be at a disadvantage - Liara would have 3 games of romance, Miranda 2. It's also easier on the writers to write two levels of romance progression for each character.

So do you think that in ME3, romances from ME1 and 2 will be open to new players?

No

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Who is - totally reasonable, I mean? Perhaps I have too much faith in the human capacity to understand. As I said abovethread, I don't believe human scientists would let the situation of using the mass relays without understanding them continue, even without the Reapers. I think understanding can be gained in small increments - as would have been the case on the Alarei had not some misguided passion (!) on Rael's part forced things.

I think you missed the tone of 'totally reasonable'.  I meant it in the same sense that one might say an asteroid is not entirely stable or something is not entirely true.  Being reasonable just is not one of his strong suits.  I was not trying to compare him to a hypothetically totally reasonable person, it was a figure of speech.

But as for the Alarei, it was incredibly dangerous because being imperfect beings mistakes are made.  Why wouldn't somebody get passionate and doom us all with the Reaper Base?  Especially considering the fact we would be handing it over to a notorious terrorist organization who might do something incredibly idiotic like try to make their own Reaper.

And so, you'll play your Shepard and I'll play mine. In the end, I think we'll both have a great story to tell.

Well yes.  This is sort of like the endless debates I had about saving the council in ME1.  Saving the council just seemed like the heroic thing to do in the moment so my Shep just impulsively did it.  People later bombarded me with all these cold blooded risk calculations showing me how I endangered the galaxy.  That might be true but there is a reason Shep is a Commander and not an Admiral and my Shep just isn't wired that way.

[Nightwriter]

jtav wrote...

Nightwriter has *cough* convinced me to do the romance rewrite. God help us all.

Squee!!!!