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fongiel24 wrote...
Does anybody know if the OP is still around? I just finished all the Miranda fanfic he has listed on the first page but I noticed nothing new has been posted for a while.
Modifié par Valmy, 06 mai 2010 - 11:45 .
ComTrav wrote...
So...Miranda's middle name?
I realize it's not referenced in ME2, but I'm wondering if it came up somewhere else.
(It occurs to me that "Lawson" may not actually be her father's last name, given her desire to distance her from him.)
Thank you, Calculatrice. We think we should get along, too. But as for being slow, I'd say the Tali thread has different standards, and it's moving too fast for me to keep up as a rule. I'll have a look, but don't expect too much.Calculatrice wrote...
Greetings from planet Talimancer. We at the Tali thread feel that both Miranda and Tali fans should get along. Thus, we've started the Talivangelism program, inviting other fan threads to come over and chat with us at fanbase: Tali. We've got a hilarious minific session going on right now, so everyone is welcome to stop by. It's also a bit slow over here, so y'know, we could use the conversation.
Calculatrice wrote...
Greetings from planet Talimancer. We at the Tali thread feel that both Miranda and Tali fans should get along. Thus, we've started the Talivangelism program, inviting other fan threads to come over and chat with us at fanbase: Tali. We've got a hilarious minific session going on right now, so everyone is welcome to stop by. It's also a bit slow over here, so y'know, we could use the conversation.
-The Talimancers
Ieldra2 wrote...
@all:
Good morning, everyone. May I ask why the debate has moved into the group? Wasn't the thread's reaction to that controversial topic posted by jtav tame enough as not to discourage?
Central Europe. It's 8am here. 6am when I posted the "good morning"..fongiel24 wrote...
Morning Ieldra. I have to ask, where exactly are you located? It's 11pm here right now.Ieldra2 wrote...
@all:
Good morning, everyone. May I ask why the debate has moved into the group? Wasn't the thread's reaction to that controversial topic posted by jtav tame enough as not to discourage?
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Modifié par Da Shadow Master, 07 mai 2010 - 06:06 .
It has a certain ring to it.fongiel24 wrote...
Mirandavangelism?
Ieldra2 wrote...
Central Europe. It's 8am here. 6am when I posted the "good morning"..
Though it's 7am here in good old England.
Modifié par Lady of the Waters, 07 mai 2010 - 07:05 .
Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 mai 2010 - 06:59 .
Lady of the Waters wrote...
Miranda's real name: Cristabella Margolies Estidore the 1st. Her father used to teach her how to behave like a "lady" always keeping a graceful and upright posture, carrying herself in an elegant manner and speaking with the utmost politeness at all times. When she was a teenager she began attending garden parties with other women on a regular interval, in which they drank tea and ate cheescake while gossiping about the handsomest, cleverest and most wealthy men in town.
Why do people ever want their own children to inherit, instead of it all being taken away by someone else? And that even if they don't particularly love them? "Keep it in the family" is an unavoidable consequence of how evolution works in a social species. We all are inherently dynastic. That's why it's so difficult to do away with nepotism. Miranda's father just takes it to a new extreme by using only his own genetic material to create what amounts to someting like his own reincarnation. I only wonder why he even bothered with a daughter - it would have been so much easier to clone himself and add the traits he wanted. Perhaps he thought a daughter would be easier to control, without considering that if she was to be a worthy successor, she would also have to have the personality to be a rival. Or to reject his control in another way. Like running away.fongiel24 wrote...
That part about Miranda's father wanting to build a dynasty always bothered me. What exactly was Miranda's father trying to accomplish? I understand he was planning on handing his business down to Miranda someday, but as an egomaniac why would he care what happened to it after he died?
Calculatrice wrote...
Greetings from planet Talimancer. We at the Tali thread feel that both Miranda and Tali fans should get along. Thus, we've started the Talivangelism program, inviting other fan threads to come over and chat with us at fanbase: Tali. We've got a hilarious minific session going on right now, so everyone is welcome to stop by. It's also a bit slow over here, so y'know, we could use the conversation.
-The Talimancers
fongiel24 wrote...
That part about Miranda's father wanting to build a dynasty always bothered me. What exactly was Miranda's father trying to accomplish? I understand he was planning on handing his business down to Miranda someday, but as an egomaniac why would he care what happened to it after he died?
Ieldra2 wrote...
Why do people ever want their own children to inherit, instead of it all being taken away by someone else? And that even if they don't particularly love them? "Keep it in the family" is an unavoidable consequence of how evolution works in a social species. We all are inherently dynastic. That's why it's so difficult to do away with nepotism. Miranda's father just takes it to a new extreme by using only his own genetic material to create what amounts to someting like his own reincarnation. I only wonder why he even bothered with a daughter - it would have been so much easier to clone himself and add the traits he wanted. Perhaps he thought a daughter would be easier to control, without considering that if she was to be a worthy successor, she would also have to have the personality to be a rival. Or to reject his control in another way. Like running away.fongiel24 wrote...
That part about Miranda's father wanting to build a dynasty always bothered me. What exactly was Miranda's father trying to accomplish? I understand he was planning on handing his business down to Miranda someday, but as an egomaniac why would he care what happened to it after he died?
.ComTrav wrote...
Tell me you don't find this headline
really funny if you've been hanging out here too long:
http://www.washingto...id=opinionsbox1
(Although
it makes me wonder why we haven't used "Mirandized" before...I should
really go to bed...)
Ieldra2 wrote...
Which is one reason I like to play my great hero differentlyValmy wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
That's not what I said. What I meant is: if you trust your moral intuitions and act on them without thinking the matter through and weighing good and bad consequences, you're in danger of becoming a victim of manipulation, or react with built-in mechanisms that may have served us well in the stone age but may since have become obsolete or dangerous.
Hence why I asked for clarification. A character who is totally awesome and also completely logical and careful would just be boring to play. Great heroes often act on instinct, they are doers not thinkers which is a quality that often leads to their downfall.Except that in the case of the Heretics, they knew they would give up self-determination if they followed the path set for them by Sovereign - as, btw, IMO anyone who dogmatically follows a god's doctrines does. We do not know that, for as I understand it, this is not about actually using Reaper technology, it's about deciphering the knowledge it represents, and then improving our own technology through that knowledge. I guess that's one assumption we'll disagree about from the start.So, if you only feel keeping the base is wrong, but can't give me a supporting argument strong enough to counter Legion's reasoning:
Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others.
Then I will count your choice an unreasonable one.
I only have every other instance of using reaper tech leading to constant disaster to back it up. 100% correlation is pretty compelling. It was only through heroic effort on Sheps part that using the Citadel didn't lead to the destruction and/or enslavement of every species in the galaxy. Besides Legion is one to talk, the Geth reasoning for rejecting the tech the Reapers offered them was precisely the same.
Who is - totally reasonable, I mean? Perhaps I have too much faith in the human capacity to understand. As I said abovethread, I don't believe human scientists would let the situation of using the mass relays without understanding them continue, even without the Reapers. I think understanding even of the most dangerous things can be gained in small increments - as would have been the case on the Alarei had not some misguided passion (!) on Rael's part forced things. In ME1, we didn't know and were at a disadvantage, in ME2, TIM is in a hurry and his scientists have to deal with the consequences. No one is as careful as necessary.But even if that was NOT true I still would have had Shep destroy the base. He is not known for being totally rational and reasonable in my hands. He does whatever he thinks is best based on his moral code and instincts in the moment.
And so, you'll play your Shepard and I'll play mine. In the end, I think we'll both have a great story to tell.
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Modifié par Sleepy Buddha, 07 mai 2010 - 09:58 .
That's....er.....extremely compelling. I wonder if Bioware are taking recommendations for her Alternate Appearance DLC...Sleepy Buddha wrote...
Summer Glau's outfit from the 16th pic looks awesome on her and would look incredible on Miri.
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