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kraidy1117 wrote...

Oh pleese, Jack knows Cerberus did that stuff, boo hoo. Both should have a slap otion, not just Miri because the whole arguemnt would not have happen if Jack did not go near Miri. They don't like each other, Jack went up there with the intention of stiring things up, both are at fault.


Jack's the victim and deserves Shepards sympathy...not Miranda.   Thus, the slap option should only be for Miranda.  I stand by this.  

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fongiel24 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

What question?


I think it was this question:

Nightwriter wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Why you
people like Miranda so much?


Why you people like Liara
so much?

*poke poke*


jlb524 wrote...

Jack had a good reason to stir things
up....she had just had to relive the horror that was her childhood and
the Cerberus representative on the Normandy (Miranda) pretended like it
was all a 'mistake' and was blase!


To be fair, the only way the Cerberus rep could have been blase was if Jack deliberately came up from her hiding spot on the bottom of the ship and marched into the Cerberus rep's office. I wasn't under the impression that Miranda was interested in going out of her way to talk to Jack. 

That the encounter took place in Miranda's office further suggests that Jack came up for the sole purpose of picking a fight. I'm not saying Jack was all wrong and Miranda was right, but Jack still has to bear some of the blame here.

Edit: Dammit... ninja'd twice in less than five minutes.


LOL, both are to blame, Jack should not have came up and Miri should not have said Jack was a mistake. The point that Jack threatens miri right in her face hwoever does digust me.

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Because...she has a Ph.D.   That's why I like her, at least.


... That's it?

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jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Oh pleese, Jack knows Cerberus did that stuff, boo hoo. Both should have a slap otion, not just Miri because the whole arguemnt would not have happen if Jack did not go near Miri. They don't like each other, Jack went up there with the intention of stiring things up, both are at fault.


Jack's the victim and deserves Shepards sympathy...not Miranda.   Thus, the slap option should only be for Miranda.  I stand by this.  


No it should be for both since Jack started it.

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fongiel24 wrote...

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I just had an awesome thought, that I was going to ask the people on Jack's thread in hopes of being flamed out, but I'll ask it hear. Now,I was in purgatory and I had Miranda in my party and she suggested knocking out Jack (which you cant do) was a good idea if she was optional. But, she wasn't which makes Miranda look dumb (I blame developer's) back to the point It got me thinking why wasn't their a bomb or an obedience chip or even a tracking device placed in Jacks head? Some why to control a powerful biotic that you don't want to lose.


Perhaps installing a control chip would limit her potential as a biotic. Biotic abilities do require very fine control over the nervous system and anything that restricts that control might have unpleasant consequences.


Maybe, they could of used a collar like in fallout? But still, they should had some safe gaurd besides gaurds and alarms seen they were making  an unstoppable biotic, it only makes sense.

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Nightwriter wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Because...she has a Ph.D.   That's why I like her, at least.


... That's it?


I'm also curious. If education is your thing, Mordin has a Ph.D. as well and his specialty is salarian savant/genius. If intelligence is your thing, Miranda was genetically engineered by one of the wealthiest humans in the galaxy for intelligence.

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Sixth Goul wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

I just had an awesome thought, that I was going to ask the people on Jack's thread in hopes of being flamed out, but I'll ask it hear. Now,I was in purgatory and I had Miranda in my party and she suggested knocking out Jack (which you cant do) was a good idea if she was optional. But, she wasn't which makes Miranda look dumb (I blame developer's) back to the point It got me thinking why wasn't their a bomb or an obedience chip or even a tracking device placed in Jacks head? Some why to control a powerful biotic that you don't want to lose.


Perhaps installing a control chip would limit her potential as a biotic. Biotic abilities do require very fine control over the nervous system and anything that restricts that control might have unpleasant consequences.


Maybe, they could of used a collar like in fallout? But still, they should had some safe gaurd besides gaurds and alarms seen they were making  an unstoppable biotic, it only makes sense.

I'm going to say that the developers didn't do it because it would be very, very hard to sympathize with Cerberus if they did such  a thing.

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Nightwriter wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Because...she has a Ph.D.   That's why I like her, at least.


... That's it?


Women that have a Ph.D. are hot.  And, she's compassionate.   And, can clean the floor with her biotics.  More hawtness.

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Jack went up there looking for a fight. She specifically sought Miranda out. Miranda had nothing to do with what happened to Jack - Jack didn't care.

Miranda was cold and she said something extremely nasty. She wouldn't admit she was wrong about Cerberus or that what happened there was wrong. She was too prideful.

We shouldn't defend either of them. They both did things they shouldn't.

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drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

I just had an awesome thought, that I was going to ask the people on Jack's thread in hopes of being flamed out, but I'll ask it hear. Now,I was in purgatory and I had Miranda in my party and she suggested knocking out Jack (which you cant do) was a good idea if she was optional. But, she wasn't which makes Miranda look dumb (I blame developer's) back to the point It got me thinking why wasn't their a bomb or an obedience chip or even a tracking device placed in Jacks head? Some why to control a powerful biotic that you don't want to lose.


Perhaps installing a control chip would limit her potential as a biotic. Biotic abilities do require very fine control over the nervous system and anything that restricts that control might have unpleasant consequences.


Maybe, they could of used a collar like in fallout? But still, they should had some safe gaurd besides gaurds and alarms seen they were making  an unstoppable biotic, it only makes sense.

I'm going to say that the developers didn't do it because it would be very, very hard to sympathize with Cerberus if they did such  a thing.


Who in there right mind would sympathize with Cerberus???? :huh:

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No it should be for both since Jack started it.


Jack was justified for starting it....do you deny this?

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jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

No it should be for both since Jack started it.


Jack was justified for starting it....do you deny this?


Miri had nothing to do with that project, thus Jack had no reason to go up there. Both are at fault.

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jlb524 wrote...

Women that have a Ph.D. are hot.  And, she's compassionate.   And, can clean the floor with her biotics.  More hawtness.


It was Miranda's intelligence that drew me to her character. Only, unlike Liara, she has emotional intelligence as well, which is even better and infinitely more interesting to me.

Miranda's also quite powerful, that's a plus too. And she's not an open book. Characters who are open books tend to bore me.

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Sixth Goul wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

I just had an awesome thought, that I was going to ask the people on Jack's thread in hopes of being flamed out, but I'll ask it hear. Now,I was in purgatory and I had Miranda in my party and she suggested knocking out Jack (which you cant do) was a good idea if she was optional. But, she wasn't which makes Miranda look dumb (I blame developer's) back to the point It got me thinking why wasn't their a bomb or an obedience chip or even a tracking device placed in Jacks head? Some why to control a powerful biotic that you don't want to lose.


Perhaps installing a control chip would limit her potential as a biotic. Biotic abilities do require very fine control over the nervous system and anything that restricts that control might have unpleasant consequences.


Maybe, they could of used a collar like in fallout? But still, they should had some safe gaurd besides gaurds and alarms seen they were making  an unstoppable biotic, it only makes sense.


Maybe they normally did put a collar on when Jack was out of her cell. You also have to keep in mind that Jack only escaped because the rest of the children revolted. The facility was not designed with a wholesale prison riot in mind.

Another reason for the lack of an implant may be that Cerberus underestimated how quickly Jack's biotic abilities were growing.

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Nightwriter wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Women that have a Ph.D. are hot.  And, she's compassionate.   And, can clean the floor with her biotics.  More hawtness.


It was Miranda's intelligence that drew me to her character. Only, unlike Liara, she has emotional intelligence as well, which is even better and infinitely more interesting to me.

Miranda's also quite powerful, that's a plus too. And she's not an open book. Characters who are open books tend to bore me.


Same, reason why I love Jack and miri.

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Jack went up there looking for a fight. She specifically sought Miranda out. Miranda had nothing to do with what happened to Jack - Jack didn't care.
 


Miranda was the only physical manifestation for the pain Jack went through.  I cannot fault her for seeking Miranda out to deal with it.  Jack couldn't go to The Illusive Man, so she picked Miranda.  I can't fault Jack for this.

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jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Jack went up there looking for a fight. She specifically sought Miranda out. Miranda had nothing to do with what happened to Jack - Jack didn't care.
 


Miranda was the only physical manifestation for the pain Jack went through.  I cannot fault her for seeking Miranda out to deal with it.  Jack couldn't go to The Illusive Man, so she picked Miranda.  I can't fault Jack for this.


Oh pleese, thats BS and you know that. She could have went to Jaco or even Shepard. No she picked Miri, knowing it was going to stir things up. Both are at fault, thus both should have the slap option and both should not be protected.

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kraidy1117 wrote...


Who in there right mind would sympathize with Cerberus???? :huh:

I meant that if Miranda did this any paragon Shep would be hard-pressed to side with her. The justification for siding with Miranda is already a bit flimsy.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 09 mai 2010 - 05:14 .


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jlb524 wrote...

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Jack went up there looking for a fight. She specifically sought Miranda out. Miranda had nothing to do with what happened to Jack - Jack didn't care.
 


Miranda was the only physical manifestation for the pain Jack went through.  I cannot fault her for seeking Miranda out to deal with it.  Jack couldn't go to The Illusive Man, so she picked Miranda.  I can't fault Jack for this.


Just because your emotions won't allow you to fault her for it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

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Nightwriter wrote...

It was Miranda's intelligence that drew me to her character. Only, unlike Liara, she has emotional intelligence as well, which is even better and infinitely more interesting to me.

Miranda's also quite powerful, that's a plus too. And she's not an open book. Characters who are open books tend to bore me.


I actually think Liara and Miranda have the most in common of any ME characters.  It's interesting that some prefer Liara and others prefer Miranda.  I think Liara is also emotionally intelligent.  I do believe they both have a Ph.D. as well.   They are more similar than you would want to believe.

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drunken pyromaniac wrote...

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Who in there right mind would sympathize with Cerberus???? :huh:

I meant that if Miranda did this any paragon Shep would be hard-pressed to side with Miranda, The justification for siding with Miranda is already a bit flimsy.


I never sided with miri, I always use charm or intimate. I saw siding with Miri and siding with Jack on youtube. I like both charatcer (Miri a bit more) both where well done.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Who in there right mind would sympathize with Cerberus???? :huh:


Maybe I'm secretly a psychopath but I would, even with the knowledge of all the experiments they were running. It's a dangerous galaxy and there are a lot of enemies out there who'd like nothing better than to strangle humanity in its cradle. Desperate times demand desperate measures, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, power grows out of the barrel of a gun - pick your cliche, all of these apply when you're talking about the preservation of the human race.

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Nightwriter wrote...

Just because your emotions won't allow you to fault her for it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.


I don't think Jack handled the situation in the best way it could have been handled.  But, in the heat of the moment, I think she did handle it well...no one died.   I think Jack, thus, showed more maturity than Miranda.

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I never sided with miri, I always use charm or intimate. I saw siding with Miri and siding with Jack on youtube. I like both charatcer (Miri a bit more) both where well done.

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I was just replying to the guys idea.

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I actually think Liara and Miranda have the most in common of any ME characters.  It's interesting that some prefer Liara and others prefer Miranda.  I think Liara is also emotionally intelligent.  I do believe they both have a Ph.D. as well.   They are more similar than you would want to believe.


I will buy that they are similar. Especially Miranda and ME2 Liara.

I don't think Liara is emotionally intelligent in the way I mean. She's very young and inexperienced, unsure of emotions and of people. Miranda has a bigger presence to me.