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[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Just because your emotions won't allow you to fault her for it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

I don't think Jack handled the situation in the best way it could have been handled.  But, in the heat of the moment, I think she did handle it well...no one died.   I think Jack, thus, showed more maturity than Miranda.

Yes because throwing a chair at someone is mature <_< then threating to kill them right to there face is ok? The human is lost.

[fongiel24]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Just because your emotions won't allow you to fault her for it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

I don't think Jack handled the situation in the best way it could have been handled.  But, in the heat of the moment, I think she did handle it well...no one died.   I think Jack, thus, showed more maturity than Miranda.

Because Jack the psychopath didn't kill anybody and Miranda the girl with the perfect upbringing (sarcasm, in case anybody didn't pick that up) made a few smart comments, you think Jack showed more maturity than Miranda?

The whole reason Shepard has to show up to break up the fight IS to prevent anybody from getting killed.

[kraidy1117]

fongiel24 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Just because your emotions won't allow you to fault her for it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

I don't think Jack handled the situation in the best way it could have been handled.  But, in the heat of the moment, I think she did handle it well...no one died.   I think Jack, thus, showed more maturity than Miranda.

Because Jack the psychopath didn't kill anybody and Miranda the girl with the perfect upbringing (sarcasm, in case anybody didn't pick that up) made a few smart comments, you think Jack showed more maturity than Miranda?

The whole reason Shepard has to show up to break up the fight IS to prevent anybody from getting killed.

Jack would have killed miri if Shepard did't stop it, thats plain and simple, and if Jack would have killed Miri, I would have killed Jack.

[Caihn]

I don't like Cerberus and I play a paragon Shep, but I side with Miranda.

If there would be one slap option it would be for jack : to shut her f..... mouth.

I like Jack but this time she's going too far.

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

I will buy that they are similar. Especially Miranda and ME2 Liara.

I don't think Liara is emotionally intelligent in the way I mean. She's very young and inexperienced, unsure of emotions and of people. Miranda has a bigger presence to me.

To me, Miranda doesn't seem to be all that emotionally stable then.  I see both Miranda and Liara as detached from that part of their being.  They are more concerned for their work and let this get in the way of 'emotions' and all that jazz.   

[drunken pyromaniac]

fongiel24 wrote...

Because Jack the psychopath didn't kill anybody and Miranda the girl with the perfect upbringing (sarcasm, in case anybody didn't pick that up) made a few smart comments, you think Jack showed more maturity than Miranda?

The whole reason Shepard has to show up to break up the fight IS to prevent anybody from getting killed.

*peeks back in*
Technically, she can't be a psychopath. Psychopaths feel no empathy, compassion, or love. Jack does.
*relurks*

[Nightwriter]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't think Jack handled the situation in the best way it could have been handled.  But, in the heat of the moment, I think she did handle it well...no one died.   I think Jack, thus, showed more maturity than Miranda.

"F*ck your feelings, I want her dead."

Maturity? Really, jlb? I just have to completely disagree. She was being utterly immature.

Jack is COMPLETELY the aggressor here. Miranda became cold in response to a hostile attack, but it wasn't Miranda who started it or Miranda throwing furniture or making threats.

[TheSixthghoul]

Nightwriter wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Jack went up there looking for a fight. She specifically sought Miranda out. Miranda had nothing to do with what happened to Jack - Jack didn't care.
 

Miranda was the only physical manifestation for the pain Jack went through.  I cannot fault her for seeking Miranda out to deal with it.  Jack couldn't go to The Illusive Man, so she picked Miranda.  I can't fault Jack for this.

Just because your emotions won't allow you to fault her for it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

What would going to Miranda accomplish? The answer is nothing. Miranda works for Cerberus yes,but,was she apart of cerberus when all that stuff happend to Jack? I think not, even if she was no cell knows what the other is doing and how would Miranda know or even care in fact why not ask Jacob or any of the other cerberus crew members.

[kraidy1117]

Nightwriter wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I don't think Jack handled the situation in the best way it could have been handled.  But, in the heat of the moment, I think she did handle it well...no one died.   I think Jack, thus, showed more maturity than Miranda.

"F*ck your feelings, I want her dead."

Maturity? Really, jlb? I just have to completely disagree. She was being utterly immature.

Jack is COMPLETELY the aggressor here. Miranda became cold in response to a hostile attack, but it wasn't Miranda who started it or Miranda throwing furniture or making threats.

"Wanna chance to felet her myself" That's also what Jack says. There is no way Jack is mature there. Jack would have killed Miri in cold blood if Shepard did't get there.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Yes because throwing a chair at someone is mature <_< then threating to kill them right to there face is ok? The human is lost.

You don't know what Miranda said to Jack before that.   I doubt Jack just walked up there and threw a chair at Miranda.  Judging for what we do hear Miranda say to Jack....'You were a mistake', I doubt Miranda had said anything nice to Jack during the inital confrontation.

[Collider]

They both acted in ways they shouldn't have. Night through her mystical ability has a point though - Miranda did not seem to be the instigator. Words are words, they can hurt but Jack basically tried to attack Miranda.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

I would have killed Sinead....er I mean Jack too lol:P*Pyro don't hurt me lol*

I'll hold back the beating...for now.

[fongiel24]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I will buy that they are similar. Especially Miranda and ME2 Liara.

I don't think Liara is emotionally intelligent in the way I mean. She's very young and inexperienced, unsure of emotions and of people. Miranda has a bigger presence to me.

To me, Miranda doesn't seem to be all that emotionally stable then.  I see both Miranda and Liara as detached from that part of their being.  They are more concerned for their work and let this get in the way of 'emotions' and all that jazz.   

Liara rescued Shepard's dead body and handed it over to a known terrorist group in the hopes that they would resurrect him/her because she couldn't bear to let him/her go. That's emotional stability?

None of Miranda's actions suggest emotional instability. Her character shows steady, predictable development. She starts out cold, then progressively grows warmer and only opens up after Shepard helps her with her sister. That seems pretty normal to me.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Yes because throwing a chair at someone is mature <_< then threating to kill them right to there face is ok? The human is lost.

You don't know what Miranda said to Jack before that.   I doubt Jack just walked up there and threw a chair at Miranda.  Judging for what we do hear Miranda say to Jack....'You were a mistake', I doubt Miranda had said anything nice to Jack during the inital confrontation.

Jack started it, not Miri. Jack would have killed her. Your case is very weak Jib.

[Nightwriter]

jlb524 wrote...

To me, Miranda doesn't seem to be all that emotionally stable then.  I see both Miranda and Liara as detached from that part of their being.  They are more concerned for their work and let this get in the way of 'emotions' and all that jazz.   

What do you mean? Why would Miranda be emotionally unstable? 

You're right, they are both detached, but for instance Liara does things like come out and tell you bluntly and honestly she has feelings for you and she wants to pursue it. Miranda would never do that. She's much more guarded and withdrawn.

[Caihn]

kraidy1117 wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Just because your emotions won't allow you to fault her for it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

I don't think Jack handled the situation in the best way it could have been handled.  But, in the heat of the moment, I think she did handle it well...no one died.   I think Jack, thus, showed more maturity than Miranda.

Because Jack the psychopath didn't kill anybody and Miranda the girl with the perfect upbringing (sarcasm, in case anybody didn't pick that up) made a few smart comments, you think Jack showed more maturity than Miranda?

The whole reason Shepard has to show up to break up the fight IS to prevent anybody from getting killed.

Jack would have killed miri if Shepard did't stop it, thats plain and simple, and if Jack would have killed Miri, I would have killed Jack.

When I first saw that scene I was thinking of this :



Lucky Jack.

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

"F*ck your feelings, I want her dead."

Maturity? Really, jlb? I just have to completely disagree. She was being utterly immature.

Jack is COMPLETELY the aggressor here. Miranda became cold in response to a hostile attack, but it wasn't Miranda who started it or Miranda throwing furniture or making threats.

Again, you don't know what happened before Shep arrived.    I do believe Jack was the aggressor in that she was the one that went up to Miranda's office to confront her, but we don't know what was said from that point until the time Shepard arrived on the scene.  I just don't think Miranda was the innocent victim here.  I bet she further antagonized Jack to the point that she threw that chair.

[fongiel24]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Because Jack the psychopath didn't kill anybody and Miranda the girl with the perfect upbringing (sarcasm, in case anybody didn't pick that up) made a few smart comments, you think Jack showed more maturity than Miranda?

The whole reason Shepard has to show up to break up the fight IS to prevent anybody from getting killed.

*peeks back in*
Technically, she can't be a psychopath. Psychopaths feel no empathy, compassion, or love. Jack does.
*relurks*

Huh... that's true. I'll be sure to be more careful in the future when I throw around the word psychopath if pyro is lurking.

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

"F*ck your feelings, I want her dead."

Maturity? Really, jlb? I just have to completely disagree. She was being utterly immature.

Jack is COMPLETELY the aggressor here. Miranda became cold in response to a hostile attack, but it wasn't Miranda who started it or Miranda throwing furniture or making threats.

Again, you don't know what happened before Shep arrived.    I do believe Jack was the aggressor in that she was the one that went up to Miranda's office to confront her, but we don't know what was said from that point until the time Shepard arrived on the scene.  I just don't think Miranda was the innocent victim here.  I bet she further antagonized Jack to the point that she threw that chair.

Both are at fault, but Jack like miri handled the scene poorly. Your case is very weak Jib. Jack should have just stayed away from Miri, thats why Jack is in her hidey hole, to stay away from miri. Miri could have handled better, but Jack started and threated to kill Miri and would have killed her if Shepard did not stop it.

Thus both should get a slap.

[Collider]

This may get out of hand so consider using this group thread for the discussion so the Warming to Miranda thread doesn't become a Miranda v. Jack back and forth

social.bioware.com/group/2009/discussion/6874/342891/

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

This may get out of hand so consider using this group thread for the discussion so the Warming to Miranda thread doesn't become a Miranda v. Jack back and forth

social.bioware.com/group/2009/discussion/6874/342891/

Theres no point to this argument. Both are at fault. Thats the end of it.

[Nightwriter]

jlb524 wrote...

Again, you don't know what happened before Shep arrived.    I do believe Jack was the aggressor in that she was the one that went up to Miranda's office to confront her, but we don't know what was said from that point until the time Shepard arrived on the scene.  I just don't think Miranda was the innocent victim here.  I bet she further antagonized Jack to the point that she threw that chair.

To be fair, we don't know what all Jack said to Miranda before we arrived, either. I once read some fanfic by jtav that plays this scene out from the beginning, and it was so easy to see how the vile things Jack would possibly say might lead Miranda to that cold comment. I know it's fanfic, but my point is don't underestimate Jack's mouth.

And no, Miranda was not an innocent victim. But neither was Jack.

[jlb524]

fongiel24 wrote...

Liara rescued Shepard's dead body and handed it over to a known terrorist group in the hopes that they would resurrect him/her because she couldn't bear to let him/her go. That's emotional stability?

I'm not sure why that isn't emotional stability.

None of Miranda's actions suggest emotional instability. Her character shows steady, predictable development. She starts out cold, then progressively grows warmer and only opens up after Shepard helps her with her sister. That seems pretty normal to me.

I'm not saying that emotional instabilty is a bad thing.  I don't want to fault Miranda for being so....that is only human.  Miranda should have some emotional instabiltiy if you ask me.