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[Ieldra]

@jtav:
I just read your excerpt. I consider it a very good scene and do not know why you want to start over. Really, it's one of your best scenes I've read so far. Much too good to be thrown in the trashcan.

@all:
I hate it when long posts go to the bottom of a page. May I direct your attention to my answer to the question of who in their right mind would side with Cerberus, on the bottom of the previous page.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 mai 2010 - 11:38 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The Miranda/Jack confrontation:

So, if you side with Miranda, there can be a number of reasons for it:

(5) Shepard believes Jack is an expendable part of the mission in the first place while Miranda is not, and/or shouldn't have been recruited considering her personality.

This is pretty much the option Jack Shepard took, albeit it wasn't a case of her being expendable it was more a case of TIM demanding she was to completely wipe the whole mess that happened on Pragia under the carpet.

Was playing through Kasumi loyalty quest the other day again and it suddenly dawned on me how the info keiji had that could implicate the Alliance and put them in deep poop with the Council is most definitly to do with Cerberus.

It answers one of the reasons why Cerberus would consider her a valuable asset and it valuable in helping her get that data. Now Jack Shepard got her to delete it, I roleplayed this further on the assumption that Cerberus was aware the data would have something to do with them and thus either the data needed removing or if necessary so did Kasumi.

Regarding your other post bout working for Cerberus. The way I see it as far as Jack Shepard is concerned. He is pissed off because the human led council are a bunch of failures not willing to treat the threat of the Reapers seriously and doing their best to kowtow to the other races. They've been failing so far in his absence to deal with the colony abduction and low and behold Cerberus of all people (the same people that put him through grueling situation not just in ME but in his previous history as a sole survivor.) are the ones treating the issue seriously. So being the Renegade that he is, Jack has decided to fully join Cerberus in their operations. To some extent they in a way have been shaping the way he is for a long time even before they rebuilt him. Whilst I do have at least one other Shep who I consider as working 'for' them. I don't see him as working 'for' them the way I do Jack Shepard as I consider him well and truly an employee now. I think part of me would be a bit annoyed if they completely strip the ability to feel such a connection in ME3.

The one thing I really like about Miranda is how they wrote her involvement in the quests. Specially the post-suicide mission part. I kind of find it funny how people constantly talk about how she resigns. But that is probably because of the fact Jack Shepard saved the base with Miranda stood right next to him and then post mission she isn't slating him for it but obviously has her concerns that keeping it was the right choice.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 10 mai 2010 - 12:02 .

[Markinator_123]

What does Jack say in the epilogue if you saved the base?

Modifié par Markinator_123, 10 mai 2010 - 01:22 .

[jtav]

Morning all.



Ieldra, I actually agree that it's a good scene. Realized that once I calmed down. Story itself is what's giving me a trouble. Trying to write from Shepard's POV is headache-inducing, which is perhaps not surprising considering my attitude towards him.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Markinator_123 wrote...

What does Jack say in the epilogue if you saved the base?

I won't be able to confirm that myself till I finish my Engineer playthrough because Jack Shepard did what TIM wanted and ensured that anything related to the incident on Pragia was wiped out... permanently including Jack the crazy biotic so he sided with Miri during their argument and then left a dead Jack under some debris in the base even tho it doesn't show it, in my RP scenario of that incident, shep ensured she was dead by shooting her point blank range once he was sure Miranda was safe.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

What does Jack say in the epilogue if you saved the base?

I won't be able to confirm that myself till I finish my Engineer playthrough because Jack Shepard did what TIM wanted and ensured that anything related to the incident on Pragia was wiped out... permanently including Jack the crazy biotic so he sided with Miri during their argument and then left a dead Jack under some debris in the base even tho it doesn't show it, in my RP scenario of that incident, shep ensured she was dead by shooting her point blank range once he was sure Miranda was safe.

He´s a monster...

[jtav]

Been reading the Renegade LI thread. Miranda really does seem to be the only one suited to Renegades. Kind of breaks my brain because I always use paragons for her and always arrange things so that she resigns.

[Prudii Aden]

@ Jtav - true, she is more suited to Renegades than Paragons, but I believe she is perfect for those who don't fall to either extreme. Paragade, Renegon, whatever you call it - a character with the ability and willingness to see both sides of the coin and act appropriately.

[Markinator_123]

What woman would fall in love with a complete paragon? Complete paragons are whiny sissies.

[Nightwriter]

Someone in that thread has just said, "Renegade should go for Miranda, since it's just about sex." I do grow weary of this.

[jtav]

This one. Besides paragons are kind of cool in ME2. The interrupt you can use on the cop harassing the quarian for instance.

[Markinator_123]

Nightwriter wrote...

Someone in that thread has just said, "Renegade should go for Miranda, since it's just about sex." I do grow weary of this.

That is starting to get annoying. I personally thought it was more than a fling.

[Nightwriter]

jtav wrote...

This one. Besides paragons are kind of cool in ME2. The interrupt you can use on the cop harassing the quarian for instance.

Yeah. The paragon persuasion option you can use on Harrot involves you threatening to break his legs.

How Shepard intended to break the legs of an elcor is anybody's guess. Would've been interesting to see. Probably some equipment involved.

[Markinator_123]

jtav wrote...

This one. Besides paragons are kind of cool in ME2. The interrupt you can use on the cop harassing the quarian for instance.

I didn't say that a paragon didn't have his cool moments. I am just mentioning that a complete paragon (barely any renegade) reminds me of the ultimate sissy instead of the ultimate hero just like a complete renegade (barely any paragon) resembles the ultimate jerk*** instead of the ultimate bad***.

[Nightwriter]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Someone in that thread has just said, "Renegade should go for Miranda, since it's just about sex." I do grow weary of this.

That is starting to get annoying. I personally thought it was more than a fling.

So did I. I think seeing the romance as just about sex is very lazy on the player's part.

[Collider]

I believe the problem is that apparently the paragon options (as well as other options), if I am not mistaken, which most players instinctively go for, paint the relationship in a more sexual way. If this is the case, part of the blame is on the writers and developers.

Modifié par Collider, 10 mai 2010 - 04:56 .

[MrNose]

Collider wrote...

I believe the problem is that apparently the paragon options (as well as other options), if I am not mistaken, which most players instinctively go for, paint the relationship in a more sexual way. If this is the case, part of the blame is on the writers and developers.

I'm pretty sure most of the people who say it's just about sex just didn't play through it.  It's not like the other LIs where you can do it after the collector mission, you have to integrate it into the story.  If you're not interested in Miranda it's not something you're likely to experience.

[Collider]

MrNose wrote...

Collider wrote...

I believe the problem is that apparently the paragon options (as well as other options), if I am not mistaken, which most players instinctively go for, paint the relationship in a more sexual way. If this is the case, part of the blame is on the writers and developers.

I'm pretty sure most of the people who say it's just about sex just didn't play through it.  It's not like the other LIs where you can do it after the collector mission, you have to integrate it into the story.  If you're not interested in Miranda it's not something you're likely to experience.

What exactly do you mean by that? You can romance any love interest after the suicide mission. Just do a few sidequests so the romance progresses. No story integration needed.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

MrNose wrote...

Collider wrote...

I believe the problem is that apparently the paragon options (as well as other options), if I am not mistaken, which most players instinctively go for, paint the relationship in a more sexual way. If this is the case, part of the blame is on the writers and developers.

I'm pretty sure most of the people who say it's just about sex just didn't play through it.  It's not like the other LIs where you can do it after the collector mission, you have to integrate it into the story.  If you're not interested in Miranda it's not something you're likely to experience.

Either that or they are just a bunch of thick kids that wouldn't understand anything. I only found out today that there is a PATHETIC group that enfatuate over Miranda's behind.

I really do wonder about the 'bioware social community' when such idiots are allowed to fester inside it.

As someone a couple or so pages ago, makes you really wonder what Yvonne thinks of it all when such carp is allowed here.

Edit: @Collider I believe that unless you've not done an LI pre-suicide mission, all the ones after just require you to talk to them and then you tend to go through a lot of the romance dialogue in one chat and go straight to the LI scene if you break up with an LI post-suicide and go to another that you haven't rejected

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 10 mai 2010 - 05:06 .

[Collider]

Either that or they are just a bunch of thick kids that wouldn't understand anything. I only found out today that there is a PATHETIC group that enfatuate over Miranda's behind.



I really do wonder about the 'bioware social community' when such idiots are allowed to fester inside it.



As someone a couple or so pages ago, makes you really wonder what Yvonne thinks of it all when such carp is allowed here.

Not much we can do about it...I would use the block button against the people I constantly disagree with, but the option simply is not there for whatever reason.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Collider wrote...

Not much we can do about it...I would use the block button against the people I constantly disagree with, but the option simply is not there for whatever reason.

I've made a suggestion on the suggestion forum as have others. One guy got a response from Woo stating that it wasn't a necessity. Doesn't make sense to me, the only thing 'block' does at the moment is stops people from seeing anything on your profile page and stops them from PMing you. Nothing the other way around in regards blocking any post they make which a fair number of people have voiced they would like to see.

[Nightwriter]

MrNose wrote...

I'm pretty sure most of the people who say it's just about sex just didn't play through it.  It's not like the other LIs where you can do it after the collector mission, you have to integrate it into the story.  If you're not interested in Miranda it's not something you're likely to experience.

What?

[Caihn]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

MrNose wrote...

Collider wrote...

I believe the problem is that apparently the paragon options (as well as other options), if I am not mistaken, which most players instinctively go for, paint the relationship in a more sexual way. If this is the case, part of the blame is on the writers and developers.

I'm pretty sure most of the people who say it's just about sex just didn't play through it.  It's not like the other LIs where you can do it after the collector mission, you have to integrate it into the story.  If you're not interested in Miranda it's not something you're likely to experience.

Either that or they are just a bunch of thick kids that wouldn't understand anything. I only found out today that there is a PATHETIC group that enfatuate over Miranda's behind.

I really do wonder about the 'bioware social community' when such idiots are allowed to fester inside it.

As someone a couple or so pages ago, makes you really wonder what Yvonne thinks of it all when such carp is allowed here.

I hope Yvonne knows there are players who are not like them, who appreciate her amazing voice acting , who like her character not only for her body.
I hope Yvonne knows we exist.

[MrNose]

Collider wrote...

MrNose wrote...

Collider wrote...

I believe the problem is that apparently the paragon options (as well as other options), if I am not mistaken, which most players instinctively go for, paint the relationship in a more sexual way. If this is the case, part of the blame is on the writers and developers.

I'm pretty sure most of the people who say it's just about sex just didn't play through it.  It's not like the other LIs where you can do it after the collector mission, you have to integrate it into the story.  If you're not interested in Miranda it's not something you're likely to experience.

What exactly do you mean by that? You can romance any love interest after the suicide mission. Just do a few sidequests so the romance progresses. No story integration needed.

Oh really?  Someone told me that the only way you can go through the love scene with Miranda is on the way to the Omega4 relay.  They wrote a rather long complain-y blog entry about it too, as they intended to go through all of the romances after the collector mission so they could have a save for "stay faithful, Tali, Jack, and Miranda."

Modifié par MrNose, 10 mai 2010 - 05:32 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Yannkee wrote...

I hope Yvonne knows there are players who are not like them, who appreciate her amazing voice acting , who like her character not only for her body.
I hope Yvonne knows we exist.

Hopefully either herself or someone she knows who can tell her possibly sees this topic and thus hopefully knows that.