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[jtav]

Only characters I dislike are Garrus, Grunt and, increasingly Shepard.

[Markinator_123]

jtav wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

Miranda is a classic anti-hero.

And I like her that way. I like the side she displays with Oriana and during her romance, but I want her to keep that edge she has.

Anti-heroes are bad***. I consider my paragade Shepard an anti-hero similiar to Garrus.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 11 mai 2010 - 12:51 .

[fongiel24]

Collider wrote...

Seems I've been been using femme fatale in correctly here, though it was just a general term for an able killer who was a woman. So what I meant to say really, that Miranda was to be portrayed as very methodical and calculating.

The misuse of the term seems to be very common in the media. I often see it used for any attractive woman who kills but if we are faithful to the original meaning of the term, an attractive woman who kills without the charm/seduction aspect is just an attractive woman who kills, not a femme fatale. It's somewhat disappointing because a well-written femme fatale is amongst the most interesting characters in fiction, at least to me. There's something I really like about that mental game that a real femme fatale plays, enthralling her target into a sense of complacency with her beauty and charm and then sliding a knife between his ribs when he least expects it.

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

Only characters I dislike are Garrus, Grunt and, increasingly Shepard.

[Garrus is Hot]

I agree kraidy

[kraidy1117]

Is it me or does anyone feel like Sarah Walker and Miri have alot in common.

[jtav]

fongiel24 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Seems I've been been using femme fatale in correctly here, though it was just a general term for an able killer who was a woman. So what I meant to say really, that Miranda was to be portrayed as very methodical and calculating.

The misuse of the term seems to be very common in the media. I often see it used for any attractive woman who kills but if we are faithful to the original meaning of the term, an attractive woman who kills without the charm/seduction aspect is just an attractive woman who kills, not a femme fatale. It's somewhat disappointing because a well-written femme fatale is amongst the most interesting characters in fiction, at least to me. There's something I really like about that mental game that a real femme fatale plays, enthralling her target into a sense of complacency with her beauty and charm and then sliding a knife between his ribs when he least expects it.

Yeah, I wish they'd given her that dimension. My personal backstory for her has her using sex if it's the fastest way to her goals. Her father paid for her looks. She might as well use them. Flirting, and less frequently, actual sex, would be just another tool in the box. This is not a popular theory.

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

Only characters I dislike are Garrus, Grunt and, increasingly Shepard.

Grunt is a completely flat character. I actually like him because of that, an introspective krogan would seem somewhat OOC (that's my racial bias against krogan showing again). He's easy to understand and useful for a writer because that's one less character you have to explain motivations for.

Garrus got shafted in ME2. He gets two conversations in the entire game, disregarding those connected to his loyalty mission. I wish they writers had really developed him more. Vigilante ex-lawman is an archetype with a ton of potential.

[Markinator_123]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Only characters I dislike are Garrus, Grunt and, increasingly Shepard.

Grunt is a completely flat character. I actually like him because of that, an introspective krogan would seem somewhat OOC (that's my racial bias against krogan showing again). He's easy to understand and useful for a writer because that's one less character you have to explain motivations for.

Garrus got shafted in ME2. He gets two conversations in the entire game, disregarding those connected to his loyalty mission. I wish they writers had really developed him more. Vigilante ex-lawman is an archetype with a ton of potential.

But Garrus calibrates the hell out of those guns!

[kraidy1117]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Only characters I dislike are Garrus, Grunt and, increasingly Shepard.

Grunt is a completely flat character. I actually like him because of that, an introspective krogan would seem somewhat OOC (that's my racial bias against krogan showing again). He's easy to understand and useful for a writer because that's one less character you have to explain motivations for.

Garrus got shafted in ME2. He gets two conversations in the entire game, disregarding those connected to his loyalty mission. I wish they writers had really developed him more. Vigilante ex-lawman is an archetype with a ton of potential.

Garrus in fact has the second most dialog in the game out of the squadmates.

[Markinator_123]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Is it me or does anyone feel like Sarah Walker and Miri have alot in common.

Sorry for the double post but how ruthless is Sarah? I am not too familiar with the show.

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

Yeah, I wish they'd given her that dimension. My personal backstory for her has her using sex if it's the fastest way to her goals. Her father paid for her looks. She might as well use them. Flirting, and less frequently, actual sex, would be just another tool in the box. This is not a popular theory.

Please write this. I would give up my firstborn for a good Miranda femme fatale story. Ironically, for being such a sexualized character, her looks are badly underutilized as an asset in ME2 despite her mentioning them and clearly being conscious of the advantage they provide.

[kraidy1117]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Yeah, I wish they'd given her that dimension. My personal backstory for her has her using sex if it's the fastest way to her goals. Her father paid for her looks. She might as well use them. Flirting, and less frequently, actual sex, would be just another tool in the box. This is not a popular theory.

Please write this. I would give up my firstborn for a good Miranda femme fatale story. Ironically, for being such a sexualized character, her looks are badly underutilized as an asset in ME2 despite her mentioning them and clearly being conscious of the advantage they provide.

She is more conscious of  having strong feelings for someone, not have ing sex. Really, there was no chance for Miri to use sex to gain in advantage in ME2. She might have in the pass, but in ME2 I don't see how she could have used her looks and sex to gain in advantage in ME2, she had to use her braings.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 11 mai 2010 - 01:07 .

[jtav]

My problem with Garrus is that I play Paragons, which means I tried to convince him to be more by the book and not to take vengeance on Saleon. And here he is as a vigilante and wanting to kill Sidonis. While it might be realistic for him to relapse, it left me feeling my actions didn't matter.

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

My problem with Garrus is that I play Paragons, which means I tried to convince him to be more by the book and not to take vengeance on Saleon. And here he is as a vigilante and wanting to kill Sidonis. While it might be realistic for him to relapse, it left me feeling my actions didn't matter.

They kinda do, in ME you are his mentor. If you told him to go by the book in ME, he goes nack to C-Spec, but could't handel it, it's the same with the Spectres. He decided to go to Omega, a place where there is alot of crime. He has a good reason why he wants to kill Sidonis.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 11 mai 2010 - 01:10 .

[MrNose]

jtav wrote...

My problem with Garrus is that I play Paragons, which means I tried to convince him to be more by the book and not to take vengeance on Saleon. And here he is as a vigilante and wanting to kill Sidonis. While it might be realistic for him to relapse, it left me feeling my actions didn't matter.

His dialogue also reflects how you acted with him in ME1.  For instance, if you import a Shepard that taught him to be a Renegade in ME1, then in ME2 he'll be surprised if you don't want him to kill Sidonis, and will say something along the lines of "he was just doing what you taught him." 

[kraidy1117]

MrNose wrote...

jtav wrote...

My problem with Garrus is that I play Paragons, which means I tried to convince him to be more by the book and not to take vengeance on Saleon. And here he is as a vigilante and wanting to kill Sidonis. While it might be realistic for him to relapse, it left me feeling my actions didn't matter.

His dialogue also reflects how you acted with him in ME1.  For instance, if you import a Shepard that taught him to be a Renegade in ME1, then in ME2 he'll be surprised if you don't want him to kill Sidonis, and will say something along the lines of "he was just doing what you taught him." 

Plus if you taught him to be a paragon, he goes back to X-spec, where if you taught him to be a renagade, he tried to apply for spctre status.

[Markinator_123]

I let Garrus kill Sidonis. Sidonis was a coward. Hopefully, Garrus will be a better judge of character next time.

[kraidy1117]

Markinator_123 wrote...

I let Garrus kill Sidonis. Sidonis was a coward. Hopefully, Garrus will be a better judge of character next time.

theres no point killing a shell. Sidonis is paying for what he did, and death is an easy way out.

[jtav]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Yeah, I wish they'd given her that dimension. My personal backstory for her has her using sex if it's the fastest way to her goals. Her father paid for her looks. She might as well use them. Flirting, and less frequently, actual sex, would be just another tool in the box. This is not a popular theory.

Please write this. I would give up my firstborn for a good Miranda femme fatale story. Ironically, for being such a sexualized character, her looks are badly underutilized as an asset in ME2 despite her mentioning them and clearly being conscious of the advantage they provide.

It would have been great if Shep had been trying to charm some information out of an asari and failed miserably. Miranda rolls her eyes and tells Shep to leave it to the professionals. Five minutes later, sge cones back with the info. I actually had a story where she was the Morinth bait because Shep refuse. Unfortunately, it never got done because I ran out of time before deadline.

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Yeah, I wish they'd given her that dimension. My personal backstory for her has her using sex if it's the fastest way to her goals. Her father paid for her looks. She might as well use them. Flirting, and less frequently, actual sex, would be just another tool in the box. This is not a popular theory.

Please write this. I would give up my firstborn for a good Miranda femme fatale story. Ironically, for being such a sexualized character, her looks are badly underutilized as an asset in ME2 despite her mentioning them and clearly being conscious of the advantage they provide.

It would have been great if Shep had been trying to charm some information out of an asari and failed miserably. Miranda rolls her eyes and tells Shep to leave it to the professionals. Five minutes later, sge cones back with the info. I actually had a story where she was the Morinth bait because Shep refuse. Unfortunately, it never got done because I ran out of time before deadline.

Would have been good, but it would't happen sadly. I just don't see at any time in ME2 where Miri could have used her looks for an advanatge. She had to use her brains. Other projects, mot likely she might have used her body.

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

It would have been great if Shep had been trying to charm some information out of an asari and failed miserably. Miranda rolls her eyes and tells Shep to leave it to the professionals. Five minutes later, sge cones back with the info. I actually had a story where she was the Morinth bait because Shep refuse. Unfortunately, it never got done because I ran out of time before deadline.

The Morinth-bait would have been a perfect opportunity in the game to show Miranda's femme fatale side. IMO, Miranda would have had a
much better chance of succeeding in this loyalty mission than Shepard.
Paragon Shepard is too morally upright and Renegade Shepard is too
brutal and raw. This mission required somebody with a lot more subtlety,
someone who understands the kind of game being played and that someone
should have been Miranda.

[kraidy1117]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...

It would have been great if Shep had been trying to charm some information out of an asari and failed miserably. Miranda rolls her eyes and tells Shep to leave it to the professionals. Five minutes later, sge cones back with the info. I actually had a story where she was the Morinth bait because Shep refuse. Unfortunately, it never got done because I ran out of time before deadline.

The Morinth-bait would have been a perfect opportunity in the game to show Miranda's femme fatale side. IMO, Miranda would have had a
much better chance of succeeding in this loyalty mission than Shepard.
Paragon Shepard is too morally upright and Renegade Shepard is too
brutal and raw. This mission required somebody with a lot more subtlety,
someone who understands the kind of game being played and that someone
should have been Miranda.

I would have loved to play as Miri

[kraidy1117]

Plus I want to see Miri dance, someone must make a GIF of that.

[jtav]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...

It would have been great if Shep had been trying to charm some information out of an asari and failed miserably. Miranda rolls her eyes and tells Shep to leave it to the professionals. Five minutes later, sge cones back with the info. I actually had a story where she was the Morinth bait because Shep refuse. Unfortunately, it never got done because I ran out of time before deadline.

The Morinth-bait would have been a perfect opportunity in the game to show Miranda's femme fatale side. IMO, Miranda would have had a
much better chance of succeeding in this loyalty mission than Shepard.
Paragon Shepard is too morally upright and Renegade Shepard is too
brutal and raw. This mission required somebody with a lot more subtlety,
someone who understands the kind of game being played and that someone
should have been Miranda.

He also is only slightly better than Jacob at pick up lines. Miranda was actually dominated by Morinth (in game terms, she failed the last Charm check), but that was because Morinth picked up on how emotionally isolated she was and not due to a lack of skill on Miranda's part. Unfortunately,  I ran into some unsettling gender/sexuality implications that I never successfully resolved.

It would have been great fun to watch in game.