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[jtav]

That's sad, kraidy. Taylor is a rapist, among a long list of other war crimes. I think he might top Morinth on the evil scale. I give Miranda a hard time, but she's more coldly practical than anything and takes no pleasure in any of her more questionable actions.

[ComTrav]

Collider wrote...

My real problem with ME1's gameplay was the inventory. The combat was okay, but pales in comparison to ME2.

Stupid Mako.

Not that the Mako sections were bad the first time, they just ruined replaybility for me. With the RPG aspects of the game, you can make different decisions, and in combat you can play different classes and builds and use different characters to mix it up. But the Mako sections were always the same no matter what.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

ComTrav wrote...

Collider wrote...

My real problem with ME1's gameplay was the inventory. The combat was okay, but pales in comparison to ME2.

Stupid Mako.

Not that the Mako sections were bad the first time, they just ruined replaybility for me. With the RPG aspects of the game, you can make different decisions, and in combat you can play different classes and builds and use different characters to mix it up. But the Mako sections were always the same no matter what.

Naaaah.... sometimes you could take another route to a location or go around the map in a different order to the one you went before OR see how much air time you could get after driving off a high cliff with neat usage of the jumpboost button.

Course one of my favourite things with the Mako that I've managed to replicate with the hammerhead. Is ramming colossus off their feet that was always fun.

Though not fun when you had about 4 of them all around you turning the Mako into a burning barrel of death if you stupidly tried to get back into it whilst at least one of the colossus was still alive.

Hey did you people know that if Miranda is loyal she is nigh impossible to kill. Put it this way, the only real way that is possible... is if you kill Shepard as well.

That to me screams that she is going to be a squadmate in ME3 or at least play a fairly big role in it.

[jtav]

It's still possible, so she can't be plot critical. I freely admit I have no idea whether she'll be back, and there are things I fear more than a cameo.

[fongiel24]

kraidy1117 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I do believe he and Ronald Taylor tie for "character I would most like to dismember" She and Jacob can bond over having despicable human beings for fathers.

Is it sad that I would have rather had Ronald Taylor instead of Jacob? ME2 had alot of daddy issues.

I don't understand the hatred for Jacob. I didn't love him as a character, but I didn't find him that bad. He's not fully fleshed out but I always thought he seemed like a pretty nice guy.

I wouldn't even want Ronald Taylor on my ship just knowing he walked out on his family. Fathers have to have really, really good reasons to walk away from their families and even then, once the crisis is averted I think they should be making every possible effort to get back to them. Throw in the rape and murder and Ronald Taylor should have been put in front of a firing squad at the very least.

[jtav]

Jacob has three main disadvantages:

1) He's essentially Shepard-lite--an ordinary, if skilled soldier. He isn't particularly cool or awesome.

2) The romance. Oh, dear God, the romance.

3) I get the impression that a couple of people resent him for being Miranda's ex, even though the relationship didn't work out.

[kraidy1117]

Comapred to the other characters, he was boring. Not to mention his romance was good awful and if I play a female Shepard I don't even talk to Jacob because she sounds like a sl*t.

[fongiel24]

It really is too bad that Jacob gets such a bum rap. Yes, he is Shepard-lite, but what was Ashley? Going into a fight, I'd take Jacob over Ashley any day. He's strongly principled, but not so much so that he becomes dogmatic, he's got plenty of combat experience, and he won't shoot your pet krogan without orders (see Ashley on Virmire).



I can't speak on the romance, having never played it myself and also having refused to ever look it up on youtube.



I have no problem with Jacob being Miranda's ex. I don't even know if their relationship was deep enough for him to have really counted. Even if it was, Jacob seems like he'd be a pretty cool ex. He doesn't seem to be the jealous type, he's moved on, there doesn't seem to be a lot of awkwardness between Jacob and Miranda. As far as ex's go, Jacob is pretty laid back.

[jtav]

He's in the lower-middle of the pack for me, as long as I ignore the romance.

[jtav]

fongiel, I agree with you. I like Jacob more than some, though some of that is because he's so relentlessly hated that I feel obliges to stick up for him.

[kraidy1117]

fongiel24 wrote...

It really is too bad that Jacob gets such a bum rap. Yes, he is Shepard-lite, but what was Ashley? Going into a fight, I'd take Jacob over Ashley any day. He's strongly principled, but not so much so that he becomes dogmatic, he's got plenty of combat experience, and he won't shoot your pet krogan without orders (see Ashley on Virmire).

I can't speak on the romance, having never played it myself and also having refused to ever look it up on youtube.

I have no problem with Jacob being Miranda's ex. I don't even know if their relationship was deep enough for him to have really counted. Even if it was, Jacob seems like he'd be a pretty cool ex. He doesn't seem to be the jealous type, he's moved on, there doesn't seem to be a lot of awkwardness between Jacob and Miranda. As far as ex's go, Jacob is pretty laid back.

He wanted to airlock Legion......

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

fongiel, I agree with you. I like Jacob more than some, though some of that is because he's so relentlessly hated that I feel obliges to stick up for him.

*looks around* I don't hate Jacob, I just found him very borninig. Now morinth *shutters*

[Whole Particle]

fongiel24 wrote...

I don't understand the hatred for Jacob. I didn't love him as a character, but I didn't find him that bad. He's not fully fleshed out but I always thought he seemed like a pretty nice guy.

Felt exactly the same way.

As a matter of fact, I don't hate ANY of the ME characters, I just like some more than others.

[fongiel24]

kraidy1117 wrote...

He wanted to airlock Legion......

He was at Eden Prime when it was attacked by the geth. When the team encounters Legion, they don't know anything about the heretic/true geth schism or that Legion is an intelligent, fully-autonomous unit rather than just another machine pre-programmed to be hostile towards organics.

One thing that I find particularly puzzling about the hatred of Jacob is that a lot of the people who strongly dislike him are Miranda fans. If Miranda trusted Jacob's competency and character enough to bring him into Cerberus as her personal head of security on the Lazarus project, either Miranda is an awful judge of people or else Jacob can't be that bad.

[jtav]

I seem to have a knack for having reactions that go against the grain. I'm "supposed" to hate Miranda for her blatant fanservice. On the other hand, I seem to be the only female gamer not drooling over Garrus. I like Thane, but I don't want to see him cured. Don't forget my feelings on Shep.

[kraidy1117]

fongiel24 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

He wanted to airlock Legion......

He was at Eden Prime when it was attacked by the geth. When the team encounters Legion, they don't know anything about the heretic/true geth schism or that Legion is an intelligent, fully-autonomous unit rather than just another machine pre-programmed to be hostile towards organics.

One thing that I find particularly puzzling about the hatred of Jacob is that a lot of the people who strongly dislike him are Miranda fans. If Miranda trusted Jacob's competency and character enough to bring him into Cerberus as her personal head of security on the Lazarus project, either Miranda is an awful judge of people or else Jacob can't be that bad.

And Ash was making sure Wrex did not try to kill Shepard. Really, I never even knew Ash can kill Wrex until I heard about it ont he internet, I always do his armor quest. It has nothing to do with that, alot oft he Jacob hate comes from him being borining and not to mention if your a female Shepard, it's a pain to talk to him <_<. I don't hate Jacob at all, I make sure he survives, but I realy don't care for him compared to Legion, Miri, Garrus, Mordin, Jack, Thane ect.

[jtav]

fongiel24 wrote...

One thing that I find particularly puzzling about the hatred of Jacob is that a lot of the people who strongly dislike him are Miranda fans. If Miranda trusted Jacob's competency and character enough to bring him into Cerberus as her personal head of security on the Lazarus project, either Miranda is an awful judge of people or else Jacob can't be that bad.

Doesn't surprise me. He clearly has feelings for her, which makes him a rival for her affections. Even though the relationship didn't work out, he's a reminder that other men find her desirable.

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

One thing that I find particularly puzzling about the hatred of Jacob is that a lot of the people who strongly dislike him are Miranda fans. If Miranda trusted Jacob's competency and character enough to bring him into Cerberus as her personal head of security on the Lazarus project, either Miranda is an awful judge of people or else Jacob can't be that bad.

Doesn't surprise me. He clearly has feelings for her, which makes him a rival for her affections. Even though the relationship didn't work out, he's a reminder that other men find her desirable.

Whats funny tho I I liked Jacob in Galaxy, I was going into ME2 liking Jacob, then when I beat ME2, I was like what? Jacob was just a huge disapointment to me. 

[MrNose]

I'm not a fan of Jacob myself. I respect Miranda more for working for Cerberus than Jacob. Jacob doesn't like what Cerberus does but continues to work for them, he is literally comprimising his morals. I'd prefer Miranda's moral relativsim over Jacob's willingness to comprimise his moral idealism.

[Collider]

MrNose wrote...

I'm not a fan of Jacob myself. I respect Miranda more for working for Cerberus than Jacob. Jacob doesn't like what Cerberus does but continues to work for them, he is literally comprimising his morals. I'd prefer Miranda's moral relativsim over Jacob's willingness to comprimise his moral idealism.

That doesn't make the most sense. Of course Jacob has to agree with some of what Cerberus is doing. That is why he joined. The thing is that he doesn't agree with everything they do, and how they do it. Which gives him points in my books, Cerberus is horrible.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

MrNose wrote...

I'm not a fan of Jacob myself. I respect Miranda more for working for Cerberus than Jacob. Jacob doesn't like what Cerberus does but continues to work for them, he is literally comprimising his morals. I'd prefer Miranda's moral relativsim over Jacob's willingness to comprimise his moral idealism.

That doesn't make the most sense. Of course Jacob has to agree with some of what Cerberus is doing. That is why he joined. The thing is that he doesn't agree with everything they do, and how they do it. Which gives him points in my books, Cerberus is horrible.

I guess Miri loses alot of points then

[Collider]

Note that Miranda doesn't like everything Cerberus does either. She's just more supportive of Cerberus than Jacob, and resigns if you destroy the base (which you should).

[Whole Particle]

MrNose wrote...

I'm not a fan of Jacob myself. I respect Miranda more for working for Cerberus than Jacob. Jacob doesn't like what Cerberus does but continues to work for them, he is literally comprimising his morals. I'd prefer Miranda's moral relativsim over Jacob's willingness to comprimise his moral idealism.

Jacob states that he believes in their current direction, stopping the Collector threat, etc.

I don't think he really condones their past actions, as he mentions that they've been labeled as "terrorists and for good reason".

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

I seem to have a knack for having reactions that go against the grain. I'm "supposed" to hate Miranda for her blatant fanservice. On the other hand, I seem to be the only female gamer not drooling over Garrus. I like Thane, but I don't want to see him cured. Don't forget my feelings on Shep.

Heh, you just have a knack for thinking for yourself. I think people sometimes get swept up in the various fandoms and tend to adopt the fandoms' opinions as their own.

I like Garrus, but IMO he's somewhat of an overrated character. He has an interesting backstory and if you flesh him out yourself, he's a cool character. As he's presented in-game though, he's quitely clearly a background support character.

I don't see why people want Thane cured so badly. Actually, I do. People want happy endings for the characters they like. But without his terminal illness, what is Thane? He's just another mercenary assassin who's done some bad things and regrets them. Thane never explicitly states this, but I suspect it's his terminal illness that turns him into the introspective, deeply spiritual character that his fans love. Without the illness, I'm not sure we get Thane the remorseful assassin seeking penance for his past sins.

[Collider]

I disagree, fongiel. Whereas I'm sure that his illness was part of the reason why he wants to repent, Thane is not defined by his disease. Instead, his spiritualism, courtesy, and introspection, as well as the semblance of stoicism, are all due to his assassin training by the Hanar. The Hanar themselves are very courteous as well as religious. And they likely tried to make him less emotional about killing, as part of the training. Even before Thane was dying he was remorseful about his killings, as well as how he treated his family. It's just that his illness is compelling him to take more immediate action.

Modifié par Collider, 13 mai 2010 - 03:22 .