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[fongiel24]

Damn it Collider. Every time you post I'm forced to rethink my position because you poked logical, understandable holes in my argument. *shakes fist*



Fine. Thane's disease serves to enhance his personality and character traits and make them more poignant but it does not define him. Happy?

[Collider]

That works and I agree with you.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

The thing that gets me about Oriana is that she seems like a very sweet and open person. Just look at how quickly she accepts her sister. This is who Miranda would have been if she'd been raised by people who cared about her. I really want to put Lawson Sr.'s head on a pike.

Hmm, any empathy with MIranda notwithstanding, but if she were as open and sweet as Oriana she would be much less interesting. And probably not a Cerberus operative. Even less interesting. I prefer Miranda as she is, provided she'll to be at peace with herself.

No disagreement about her father. But I'd like to hear his story first. Just as a matter of principle.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 mai 2010 - 06:36 .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...
It really is too bad that Jacob gets such a bum rap. Yes, he is Shepard-lite, but what was Ashley? Going into a fight, I'd take Jacob over Ashley any day. He's strongly principled, but not so much so that he becomes dogmatic, he's got plenty of combat experience, and he won't shoot your pet krogan without orders (see Ashley on Virmire).

Without orders? She really does that? How do you get that scene?

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...
One thing that I find particularly puzzling about the hatred of Jacob is that a lot of the people who strongly dislike him are Miranda fans. If Miranda trusted Jacob's competency and character enough to bring him into Cerberus as her personal head of security on the Lazarus project, either Miranda is an awful judge of people or else Jacob can't be that bad.

I don't hate him. But I don't care much about him, and that makes it fun to joke about spacing him or removing his presence from a picture. Especially from pictures with Miranda - just a little friendly rivalry, really. I'd never kill Jacob on the suicide mission. I'm much more tempted to do that with Jack.

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...
It really is too bad that Jacob gets such a bum rap. Yes, he is Shepard-lite, but what was Ashley? Going into a fight, I'd take Jacob over Ashley any day. He's strongly principled, but not so much so that he becomes dogmatic, he's got plenty of combat experience, and he won't shoot your pet krogan without orders (see Ashley on Virmire).

Without orders? She really does that? How do you get that scene?

Keep talking to Wrex without convincing him. Eventually, Ashley will shoot him in the back, completely without your having to do anything.

[Collider]

When Ash killed Wrex for me, it was after Wrex said he was done talking.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I seem to have a knack for having reactions that go against the grain. I'm "supposed" to hate Miranda for her blatant fanservice. On the other hand, I seem to be the only female gamer not drooling over Garrus. I like Thane, but I don't want to see him cured. Don't forget my feelings on Shep.

They drool over Garrus? I know it's not easy to know the real people's gender behind the forum names, but it seems those who drool over Garrus are mostly men, some of which may play femSheps. Poor Kaidan, on the other hand, has almost turned into a drool bucket.

And I agree about Thane.

[Collider]

Most people playing this game are men. Since Garrus has that bro appeal, he has a lot of male fans. But the Garrus thread is mostly women drooling over Garrus, and he is according to the polls on this site the most popular love interests among women.

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...
Note that Miranda doesn't like everything Cerberus does either. She's just more supportive of Cerberus than Jacob, and resigns if you destroy the base (which you should).

Which you should not.

(You asked for it)

[Collider]

I am not going to trust technology capable of mind controlling people with Cerberus, who has tried mind controlling people. Cerberus is horrible and I couldn't trust them an iota with Reaper technology of that magnitude.

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...
Most people playing this game are men. Since Garrus has that bro appeal, he has a lot of male fans. But the Garrus thread is mostly women drooling over Garrus, and he is according to the polls on this site the most popular love interests among women.

Not according to XX55XX's character poll, which I consider the only somewhat representative one for various reasons I'll explain if you want. According to that, out of 134 female players playing femSheps, 23 said Garrus had the best romance, 29 considered Thane the best and 45 Kaidan.

Note that you could answer the "best LI character" question independently from your Shepard's gender, which is why the numbers don't add up - some of the female players said the best LI character was one of those only available for maleSheps.

[Collider]

@ieldra:



http://social.biowar...362/polls/3023/

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...
I am not going to trust technology capable of mind controlling people with Cerberus, who has tried mind controlling people. Cerberus is horrible and I couldn't trust them an iota with Reaper technology of that magnitude.

On the chance the knowledge there might just be what we need to defeat the Reapers? I know ME3 probably won't do that to us, but Shepard doesn't know he's is a game.

All right, I'll stop. We can agree to disagree.

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...
@ieldra:
http://social.biowar...362/polls/3023/

This has been open for over two months now, which means there is a serious skew towards the views of long-time fans, since most of the others have left the forums. XX55XX's poll started earlier (I think it was 2-10) and I took the data two weeks later to analyze them. 857 entries.

BTW, do you really think that more female players prefer Liara to Thane? That would surprise me very much.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 mai 2010 - 07:17 .

[Ieldra]

Let's bridge the quiet time with a Miranda picture:

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

jtav wrote...

It's still possible, so she can't be plot critical. I freely admit I have no idea whether she'll be back, and there are things I fear more than a cameo.

It is only really possible if she is not loyal.

Virtually all of the rest can be killed even if loyal at some point or another.

The only real way to kill her off if she is loyal is for Shepard to die.

I also agree that there are far more bigger things to fear than cameos. Hell I don't fear cameos at all, which is why I find it funny and yet at the same time a bit sad that there is some pathetic, bitter and pessimistic fools in the community that are so wanting to see all the ME2 squadmates (specially the LIs) reduced to cameo just because they are too thick to understand why their precious ME LI was cameoed in ME2.

Personally I thought all the ME NPC (including squadmates) cameos in ME2 were handled very well. My main concern is whether they will have the resources to truly account for all the variables that can come out of the 2 previous games combined and that they can be handled well.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 13 mai 2010 - 09:53 .

[Ieldra]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
The only real way to kill her off if she is loyal is for Shepard to die.

She'll die if you let her hold the line by herself. But that takes a lot of planning. I very much doubt anyone who's not read Ecael's thread and isn't explicitly aiming for that will get a loyal Miranda killed.

 

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
The only real way to kill her off if she is loyal is for Shepard to die.

She'll die if you let her hold the line by herself. But that takes a lot of planning. I very much doubt anyone who's not read Ecael's thread and isn't explicitly aiming for that will get a loyal Miranda killed.

 

I thought that too, until someone posted the other day that they managed to have it so that she survived on her own. Now granted this is in a playthrough in which Morinth was involved and thanks to me and that person who posted that playthrough, I believe we've found that Morinth causes some freaky stuff to occur in the suicide run. But still, I sent Dusty Everman a PM and he stated that he believes the only way to get a loyal Miranda killed is for Shepard to die ie. all other squadmates dead too.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 13 mai 2010 - 09:58 .

[Ieldra]

^^OK. That's a source I tend to believe. Good to hear Miranda is even harder to kill than we all thought. Do you know how she dies when you take her with you to the final battle as a non-loyal? Maybe it's unspecific enough (for instance, if she falls) that there's a way out for her...



...this is me hoping she will be plot-critical in ME3, of course. I don't really think she will be, but one can hope.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ieldra2 wrote...

^^OK. That's a source I tend to believe. Good to hear Miranda is even harder to kill than we all thought. Do you know how she dies when you take her with you to the final battle as a non-loyal? Maybe it's unspecific enough (for instance, if she falls) that there's a way out for her...

...this is me hoping she will be plot-critical in ME3, of course. I don't really think she will be, but one can hope.

Well from a 'loyal' point of view, yes she is harder to kill.

I would imagine though that those intentionally out to get her killed will ensure she isn't loyal. Either by not doing her mission or siding with jack during their catfight.

As for her dying at final battle, she dies the same way all the other non-loyals die in that sequence. She's probably one of only a couple that seems to show any life for a brief second, raising her arm up but as shep goes to help her up she just slumps with her head falling back showing no sign of life.

Yes I'll admit I've got one playthrough where Miranda won't be in ME3. That is my 'worse playthrough' import. In which only Zaeed and Kasumi are the survivors.

Am actually thinking of attempting to have one shep where she makes it out the suicide mission alive but not loyal due to not doing her loyalty mission just to see if they will do anything regarding Oriana. I'll probably have to have at least one of the other squishies not loyal as well and pack the defence line with all the heavy hitters.

I want to do this so as to cover all the potential variables there is.

As for her being plot critical, I think the only part of the plot she would be considered critical is as a surviving LI and as much as I like her, I think that makes the most sense because other than stuff to do with Cerberus and her father. I can't see any other key part she could play.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 13 mai 2010 - 10:37 .

[Ieldra]

You spent too long in Ecael's thread, referring to the less hardened squadmates as "squishies". 

I must admit I have no inclination to cover all potential variables regarding Miranda. I always have her loyal. I'll have one playthrough with a destroyed base to see how that turns out with Miranda, but that's it.

The only thing I'm tempted to do is create a game where only Miranda and Jacob survive. But I don't know if I'll be able to do that. Killing squadmates I like is hard.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 mai 2010 - 10:34 .

[Caihn]

The new DLC coming in june :

http://www.gamerzine...erlord-dlc.html

I hope Miri will have new lines.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

The new DLC coming in june :

http://www.gamerzine...erlord-dlc.html

I hope Miri will have new lines.

Looks promising. Unfortunately, I think nobody will have new lines except those whose VAs are closely associated with Bioware. Which excludes Yvonne Strahovski. Unless they've all been recorded in advance.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 mai 2010 - 12:10 .

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Unless they've all been recorded in advance.

I hope this.