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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Collider wrote...

Somehow I don't think Toombs is going to pull Cerberus out of thin air, considering that Cerberus is supposed to be a covert group. We also have evidence of Cerberus trying to experiment on people for mind control with the Thorian (as well as the mind control rod thing you hear on Cerberus Station/Lazarus Station), so I am not going to doubt that Cerberus would be willing to do something like that. I disagree with the rachni, husk, thresher maws, mind control, Idenna, child experimentation...you name it, it's bad. Cerberus should have NEVER even CONSIDERED experimenting on children, but they did. I don't know how you can't have problems with Cerberus when you consider they consciously wanted to experiment on innocent helpless children. Of course, your opinion may be different from mine.

*sighs*

It's called roleplaying a character.

You are talking about Out-Of-Character (OOC) information.

I am talking about In-Character (IC) information.

I play most of the time as if I am creating my own virtual fan-fic.

Also whilst Cerberus were covert, they weren't exactly not known by people. Alliance soldiers would have possibly known of them. Shep could even have done so pre-ME events, or at least could have found out about them before running into Toombs.

One thing you seem to also forget. Up until the encounter with Toombs, as far as Shepard knows, he was the only survivor (hence the word sole in front of it). So all a sudden you have this crazy corporal stating he survived it as well?

Shepard could easily consider him delusional

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 13 mai 2010 - 06:29 .

[Collider]

You're right, I forgot we were talking about roleplaying as I was typing that (have several windows open). My apologies.

Modifié par Collider, 13 mai 2010 - 06:35 .

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

Somehow I don't think Toombs is going to pull Cerberus out of thin air, considering that Cerberus is supposed to be a covert group. We also have evidence of Cerberus trying to experiment on people for mind control with the Thorian (as well as the mind control rod thing you hear on Cerberus Station/Lazarus Station), so I am not going to doubt that Cerberus would be willing to do something like that. I disagree with the rachni, husk, thresher maws, mind control, Idenna, child experimentation...you name it, it's bad. Cerberus should have NEVER even CONSIDERED experimenting on children, but they did. I don't know how you can't have problems with Cerberus when you consider they consciously wanted to experiment on innocent helpless children. Of course, your opinion may be different from mine.

Well to be fair, alot of evidence on the Project zero shows that it went rouge, all teammates remark this. Plus the email (which can be a lie or not) and we also know that some cells do go rouge. Look at the Ascension project. That went so rouge it is not even funny.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

kraidy1117 wrote...
Well to be fair, alot of evidence on the Project zero shows that it went rouge, all teammates remark this. Plus the email (which can be a lie or not) and we also know that some cells do go rouge. Look at the Ascension project. That went so rouge it is not even funny.

Your right there the facility went rouge, you could still see some of it on the walls specially from the first guard that Jack killed.

Speaking of going rogue, I wonder if Miranda will get a 'non-Cerberus' outfit for ME3?

[kraidy1117]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Well to be fair, alot of evidence on the Project zero shows that it went rogue, all teammates remark this. Plus the email (which can be a lie or not) and we also know that some cells do go rogue. Look at the Ascension project. That went so rogue it is not even funny.

Your right there the facility went rouge, you could still see some of it on the walls specially from the first guard that Jack killed.

Speaking of going rogue, I wonder if Miranda will get a 'non-Cerberus' outfit for ME3?

I hope Miri's next outfit has no Cerberus logos. Shepards new outfit has none

(and haha very funny )

[jtav]

Was anyone else initially surprised and pleased at how much Miranda seems to like and respect other species, considering how strongly Cerberus is associated with "humanity first" movements?

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

Was anyone else initially surprised and pleased at how much Miranda seems to like and respect other species, considering how strongly Cerberus is associated with "humanity first" movements?

Not really, not all Cerberus hate aliens (I beleive Miri says this in one of her conversations) I was happy miri was open minded about other aliens and there culture.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

jtav wrote...

Was anyone else initially surprised and pleased at how much Miranda seems to like and respect other species, considering how strongly Cerberus is associated with "humanity first" movements?

Not really. Just because someone is 'Humanity first' doesn't mean they are racist nor has to have any form of hatred of them

edit: @Kraidy not sure about Miri but Kelly definitly states that not all cerberus hates aliens.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 13 mai 2010 - 07:08 .

[kraidy1117]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

jtav wrote...

Was anyone else initially surprised and pleased at how much Miranda seems to like and respect other species, considering how strongly Cerberus is associated with "humanity first" movements?

Not really. Just because someone is 'Humanity first' doesn't mean they are racist nor has to have any form of hatred of them

But some like Kelly do go overboard

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

jtav wrote...

Was anyone else initially surprised and pleased at how much Miranda seems to like and respect other species, considering how strongly Cerberus is associated with "humanity first" movements?

Not really. Just because someone is 'Humanity first' doesn't mean they are racist nor has to have any form of hatred of them

But some like Kelly do go overboard

She is a fun lovin' criminal :happy:

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

Was anyone else initially surprised and pleased at how much Miranda seems to like and respect other species, considering how strongly Cerberus is associated with "humanity first" movements?

I admit I was a little, but Miranda is an intelligent, well-educated, rational person. I'd like to think that people like that are less prone to racism as it tends to be an emotional, irrational response to superficial differences.

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Was anyone else initially surprised and pleased at how much Miranda seems to like and respect other species, considering how strongly Cerberus is associated with "humanity first" movements?

I admit I was a little, but Miranda is an intelligent, well-educated, rational person. I'd like to think that people like that are less prone to racism as it tends to be an emotional, irrational response to superficial differences.

Exactly. I was not surprised initially, don't know why, but after the first few conversations I would have been very surprised if she'd expressed racist tendendies at some point.

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Was anyone else initially surprised and pleased at how much Miranda seems to like and respect other species, considering how strongly Cerberus is associated with "humanity first" movements?

I admit I was a little, but Miranda is an intelligent, well-educated, rational person. I'd like to think that people like that are less prone to racism as it tends to be an emotional, irrational response to superficial differences.

Exactly. I was not surprised initially, don't know why, but after the first few conversations I would have been very surprised if she'd expressed racist tendendies at some point.

I never got any anti alien on the Normandy in fact. All ther Cerberus personal where all very open-minded. Look at Ken and Gabby. They don't even know anything about Cerberus, as Ken said "We are oging to kick the Collectors in the daddy bags" I just never got any antipalien at all. I know it's not like that in Cerberus, but it was nice to see that not all Cerberus hate Aliens and that Miri, a high ranking Cerberus opertive also is not a racist.

I still wonder how high miri is tho, we know she must be really high because she talks to TIM face to face.

(oh and good morining/night Ieldra)

Modifié par kraidy1117, 13 mai 2010 - 08:04 .

[kraidy1117]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

jtav wrote...

Was anyone else initially surprised and pleased at how much Miranda seems to like and respect other species, considering how strongly Cerberus is associated with "humanity first" movements?

Not really. Just because someone is 'Humanity first' doesn't mean they are racist nor has to have any form of hatred of them

But some like Kelly do go overboard

She is a fun lovin' criminal :happy:

[fongiel24]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I never got any anti alien on the Normandy in fact. All ther Cerberus personal where all very open-minded. Look at Ken and Gabby. They don't even know anything about Cerberus, as Ken said "We are oging to kick the Collectors in the daddy bags" I just never got any antipalien at all. I know it's not like that in Cerberus, but it was nice to see that not all Cerberus hate Aliens and that Miri, a high ranking Cerberus opertive also is not a racist.

I still wonder how high miri is tho, we know she must be really high because she talks to TIM face to face.

(oh and good morining/night Ieldra)

I have a feeling that if you'd had a chance to get to know Mess Sergeant Gardner a little better, he would have turned out to be a huge racist. Something about that guy, just the way he kept talking about "good old human ingenuity" gave me bad vibes. That's another guy I would have thrown off my ship if I could.

[kraidy1117]

fongiel24 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I never got any anti alien on the Normandy in fact. All ther Cerberus personal where all very open-minded. Look at Ken and Gabby. They don't even know anything about Cerberus, as Ken said "We are oging to kick the Collectors in the daddy bags" I just never got any antipalien at all. I know it's not like that in Cerberus, but it was nice to see that not all Cerberus hate Aliens and that Miri, a high ranking Cerberus opertive also is not a racist.

I still wonder how high miri is tho, we know she must be really high because she talks to TIM face to face.

(oh and good morining/night Ieldra)

I have a feeling that if you'd had a chance to get to know Mess Sergeant Gardner a little better, he would have turned out to be a huge racist. Something about that guy, just the way he kept talking about "good old human ingenuity" gave me bad vibes. That's another guy I would have thrown off my ship if I could.

I don't know, I don't feel like getting a new Mass Sergeant. He never came across as a racist to me, toh to be fair he was not really that dev compared to the other personal crew. Still look at the guy near the cockpit, he was looking forward to seeing the Consort

[TheSixthghoul]

*The most productive thread in Mass Effect history*

[Ieldra]

Sixth Goul wrote...
*The most productive thread in Mass Effect history*

You know what they say....a picture says more than a thousand words. I'll say good night with....Miranda:

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...
*The most productive thread in Mass Effect history*

You know what they say....a picture says more than a thousand words. I'll say good night with....Miranda:

Night Ieldra, and thanks for the lovely pic

[jtav]

She really is astonishingly beautiful.

[MrNose]

Just a note on the whole: Give Cerberus the Collector Base vs. Don't Give them the Collector Base. I feel vindicated by the new Overlord DLC. Sounds like Cerberus tried to utilize Geth technology and it went very, very badly for them.



As Samara said regarding giving TIM the base: "He thinks he has the wisdom to use it, but he does not."

[TheSixthghoul]

MrNose wrote...

Just a note on the whole: Give Cerberus the Collector Base vs. Don't Give them the Collector Base. I feel vindicated by the new Overlord DLC. Sounds like Cerberus tried to utilize Geth technology and it went very, very badly for them.

As Samara said regarding giving TIM the base: "He thinks he has the wisdom to use it, but he does not."

I still think keeping the base is the best choice. I think the best answer comes from Jade Empire something the said Water Dragon "to control an event you must control the begining" I think that the line. The geth and the reaper remains were finshed products with unkown dangers in uncontrolled enviroment  the base is a tool that can be controlled in smaller parts much safer then reaper parts or inactive geth. I've all noticed the end choice has nothing to do with the base being  a physical danger or anything to do with this mythical  base indoctrination.

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 13 mai 2010 - 11:56 .

[Markinator_123]

The big problem with the collector base is that the ending really presents the Illusive man as a bad guy. Rather you choose to destroy the base or save the base that is the case apparently. If you destroyed the base, everybody says you made the right the decision and are happy. Likewise if you saved it, everybody claims that you made the wrong choice plus lets not forget the Illusive man's evil grin at the end of the renegade ending. I guess though, it makes sense. Besides, you are told throughout the whole story that Cerberus can not be trusted. Based upon their history, I can see why. Therefore, that base explodes every time.

[jtav]

Quick question because I don't have a save near there. I know Miranda's loyalty mission takes place at night, but I seem to remember a shot of the sunrise in the background of the Oriana scene. Am I misremembering?

[TheSixthghoul]

Problem is everyone seems to have some hidden agenda for destroying the base or to not trust Cerberus. What could have been a simple choice is drained because of a lack of a neutral party now, we end up with a very subjective group the aliens too concerned about self preservation, humans about the morality of choice or because they were treated bad.