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[Markinator_123]

A better reputation could help Cerberus

[MrNose]

Sixth Goul wrote...

Problem is everyone seems to have some hidden agenda for destroying the base or to not trust Cerberus. What could have been a simple choice is drained because of a lack of a neutral party now, we end up with a very subjective group the aliens too concerned about self preservation, humans about the morality of choice or because they were treated bad.

It's not a hidden agenda.  We have plenty of in-game knowledge that Cerberus does horrible things with technology, and that they frequently lose control of their experiments.  Lets look at their track record:  Akuze, the Thorian, Ascension, Subject Zero, the Reaper IFF, and now probably Overlord are all Cerberus projects which ended in disaster.  Even the Lazarus project ended with mass casualties and only three survivors. 

Very simply, the potential costs of giving the base to Cerberus have to be approached in a manner which determines those costs as likely to happen, because they can't run a high-level tech operation with anything approaching consistent success.  If they get the base, they will fail at whatever it is they try and do with it, and what they try and do with it is likely to be pretty bad in the first place.

[Andaius20]

hello Miri fans a gift for you! turned out ok I think.

[TheSixthghoul]

MrNose wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

Problem is everyone seems to have some hidden agenda for destroying the base or to not trust Cerberus. What could have been a simple choice is drained because of a lack of a neutral party now, we end up with a very subjective group the aliens too concerned about self preservation, humans about the morality of choice or because they were treated bad.

It's not a hidden agenda.  We have plenty of in-game knowledge that Cerberus does horrible things with technology, and that they frequently lose control of their experiments.  Lets look at their track record:  Akuze, the Thorian, Ascension, Subject Zero, the Reaper IFF, and now probably Overlord are all Cerberus projects which ended in disaster.  Even the Lazarus project ended with mass casualties and only three survivors. 

Very simply, the potential costs of giving the base to Cerberus have to be approached in a manner which determines those costs as likely to happen, because they can't run a high-level tech operation with anything approaching consistent success.  If they get the base, they will fail at whatever it is they try and do with it, and what they try and do with it is likely to be pretty bad in the first place.

I hate to tell you, but those are some poor examples. Akuze,How was that a failure? The Thorian, done by Exogeni what Cerberus had was under control. Jack escaped but, wasn't a failures. The reaper iff only proves my original point by giving them the collector base cancels out any excuse for reaper fellings.

A very subjective statement based on little hard facts, if they had so many failures why would any fund them? I will say unless one of is a writer for Mass Effect 3 it woundn't make much sense to say  that they will "fail" or "sucessed" at using the base. For all we no it might not even be mentioned again ME3 and this might be just a waste of time...

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 14 mai 2010 - 03:11 .

[MrNose]

Sixth Goul wrote...

MrNose wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

Problem is everyone seems to have some hidden agenda for destroying the base or to not trust Cerberus. What could have been a simple choice is drained because of a lack of a neutral party now, we end up with a very subjective group the aliens too concerned about self preservation, humans about the morality of choice or because they were treated bad.

It's not a hidden agenda.  We have plenty of in-game knowledge that Cerberus does horrible things with technology, and that they frequently lose control of their experiments.  Lets look at their track record:  Akuze, the Thorian, Ascension, Subject Zero, the Reaper IFF, and now probably Overlord are all Cerberus projects which ended in disaster.  Even the Lazarus project ended with mass casualties and only three survivors. 

Very simply, the potential costs of giving the base to Cerberus have to be approached in a manner which determines those costs as likely to happen, because they can't run a high-level tech operation with anything approaching consistent success.  If they get the base, they will fail at whatever it is they try and do with it, and what they try and do with it is likely to be pretty bad in the first place.

I hate to tell you, but those are some poor examples. Akuze,How was that a failure? The Thorian, done by Exogeni what Cerberus had was under control. Jack escaped but, wasn't a failures. The reaper iff only proves my original point by giving them the collector base cancels out any excuse for reaper fellings.

A very subjective statement based on little hard facts, if they had so many failures why would any fund them? I will say unless one of is a writer for Mass Effect 3 it woundn't make much sense to say  that they will "fail" or "sucessed" at using the base. For all we no it might not even be mentioned again ME3 and this might be just a waste of time...

Regarding Akuze, you're right, but not regarding the other things.  Akuze does however show that Cerberus can't be trusted to do anything close to what is right when they get their hands on powerful aliens.

Subject Zero is the very definition of a failure.  The point of both Subject Zero and Ascension was to advance human biotic tech, and in both cases it was a miserable failure.  Subject Zero's facility was either a monstrous experiment that ended with no progress other than the release of a single powerful serial killer (the definition of a successful scientific experiment is that it can be repeated), or it was a facility gone rogue.  Ascension, which was more recent than Subject Zero, also lead to no usable results.   Something tells me that in both cases the subject escaping and killing their operatives wasn't the results they were swinging for.  In both cases a lot of death happened. 

Given that ExoGeni sent the Creepers to Cerberus, I consider the Thorian project to be funded by Cerberus and thus a Cerberus failure.  However, your comment also reminded me that Cerberus both tried and failed to do experiments with Rachni as well...  And on the subject of them misusing reaper technology, lets not forget that they turned people into Husks.

The Reaper IFF doesn't prove your point at all.  It shows that they can't handle reaper tech, not that they should be given a base to try and learn to handle it. 

Any indications of why they are well-funded are ultimately speculative, however the failures likely aren't exactly broadcast on loudspeaker, and we know that Cerberus made Shepard working for them an open-secret.

There are of course no guarantees that Cerberus wouldn't turn into superheroes riding in with a collectorship inspired death weapon, however analysis of all pieces of data regarding Cerberus strongly indicates that whatever they try to do with the ship will likely be horrible, and will probably a failure.  Given their history, it will also probably have something to do with genetically engineered humans.

Anyway, this is off-topic so I won't discuss it any further.  That's just my own opinion on Cerberus.

[MrNose]

Looks like we'll get to see more of Miranda's inspiration on television. Chuck's apparently been picked up for thirteen episodes next season.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Quick question because I don't have a save near there. I know Miranda's loyalty mission takes place at night, but I seem to remember a shot of the sunrise in the background of the Oriana scene. Am I misremembering?

We never get to see the sun, but the lighting on MIranda's face and on the wall in the background suggests it:

 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 mai 2010 - 05:59 .

[Ieldra]

MrNose wrote...
Looks like we'll get to see more of Miranda's inspiration on television. Chuck's apparently been picked up for thirteen episodes next season.

I'd rather see more Miranda on my PC.

[Ieldra]

Da Shadow Master wrote...
More Miri indeed

You make the most beautiful Miranda wallpapers. If only always too small to use them as such

Since I can't think of anything intelligent to say right now, I'll repost some of Strikor's fanart:

[Errol Dnamyx]

MrNose wrote...

Looks like we'll get to see more of Miranda's inspiration on television. Chuck's apparently been picked up for thirteen episodes next season.

**** yeah!

[Ieldra]

Just FYI: We've got another "engine room" topic on the forum.

I'm getting really fed up with that crap. Does anyone recall where in this thread we've discussed that? I'd like to extract the relevant arguments. Or maybe it doesn't deserve to be dealt with seriously....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 mai 2010 - 11:15 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just FYI: We've got another "engine room" topic on the forum.

I'm getting really fed up with that crap. Does anyone recall where in this thread we've discussed that? I'd like to extract the relevant arguments. Or maybe it doesn't deserve to be dealt with seriously....

Doesn't deserve to be dealt with, hopefully it should just sink like all the others eventually do.

Meh, after reading SageQueen's topic about the various 'backgrounds' I went to recheck some stuff about Jack and suddenly realised he wasn't a sole survivor but ruthless instead, so that story I made up the other day was a load of rubbish. Oh well, it shows he is improving over time. Ruthless = 75% squad dying, Suicide Mission he changed that to 66%

Maybe in ME3 he'll get it to only half the squad dying

Might replay him actually and change him to Spacer instead of Earthborn. Still going to have him romance Miranda of course :happy:

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 14 mai 2010 - 11:57 .

[Caihn]

One more stupid topic on the forum.  

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Am thinking of starting up a fan-fic soon that will have at least Shep and Miranda in it but it'll be an 'Alternate Universe' fic in which there won't be any Reaper threat and Shepard works for the Alliance Criminal Investigative Service (ACIS)... with Miranda in the team as an Op assigned from Cerberus to work with him. Yeah I know not exactly original but since becoming a fan of the show, figured that both Shep and Miranda could easily fit into such a story.

Figured the main characters in it would be as follows

Anderson - Asst.Director of ACIS
Shepard - Leader of Team
Garrus - Shepard's Senior Field Agent
Miranda - Cerberus Op assigned to ACIS
Mordin - Mortician
Tali - Tech Lab expert
Kaidan - Field Agent/Tech expert

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 14 mai 2010 - 12:46 .

[Prudii Aden]

Sounds interesting Ulrich - I'm guessing that in this AU, Cerberus aren't an illegal organisation, but more an alphabet soup kinda group..

Also - what, no Wrex? Or will he be making guest appearances?

Modifié par Prudii Aden, 14 mai 2010 - 01:25 .

[jtav]

Morning.



Thanks, Ieldra. You and your screenshots are invaluable. If only my other issues were as easily solved.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Sounds interesting Ulrich - I'm guessing that in this AU, Cerberus aren't an illegal organisation, but more an alphabet soup kinda group..

Also - what, no Wrex? Or will he be making guest appearances?

In this AU, nope they aren't illegal, they are pretty much as they were before they went rogue.

Not sure about Wrex, Ashley will be dead though. In this AU she was an ACIS agent who got shot by a rogue Cerberus Agent who was working for a terrorist group.

Doubt there will be any romance between Miranda and Shepard, there will be the mutual respect between them though.

[Prudii Aden]

Shame, Wrex has a wonderfully dry wit.

As for romance? A foundation of mutual respect does help matters...

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Shame, Wrex has a wonderfully dry wit.
As for romance? A foundation of mutual respect does help
matters...

I can't really think of a way for him to be involved. Actually the more I think about it I've just realised that
realistically Garrus, Mordin and Tali wouldn't be able to be in the roles I've given them due to it being an 'Alliance' group.

Hmm, I guess I'll have to think it out again 

Ok Kasumi to take Tali's role, that is an easy swap, Chakwas to take Mordin's role. Probably keep Garrus in but have him still working for C-Sec.

As for mutual respect creating a foundation, there is that true, but without giving anything away there is a couple of things that would stop any potential romantic feelings coming between Miranda and Shepard in this story.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 14 mai 2010 - 04:47 .

[TheSixthghoul]

Does anyone think that whole death angle at the beginning of me2 was needless? I've thought of two alternates that could have taken Shepard out of the game for two years. At the same time keeping to the main premise of joining Cerberus and all that.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Sixth Goul wrote...

Does anyone think that whole death angle at the beginning of me2 was needless? I've thought of two alternates that could have taken Shepard out of the game for two years. At the same time keeping to the main premise of joining Cerberus and all that.

What would be needless is if they repeat it again for ME3 but unlike a whole bunch of pessimistic idiots on the forums I doubt Bioware will do that.

As to your question, no, I thought it helped serve backbone to the situation.

[Ieldra]

Sixth Goul wrote...
Does anyone think that whole death angle at the beginning of me2 was needless? I've thought of two alternates that could have taken Shepard out of the game for two years. At the same time keeping to the main premise of joining Cerberus and all that.

It did introduce Miranda in an unforgettable way. Their relationship has an added dimension because she was the project leader for Project Lazarus. So, no, I don't think ME2 would feel the same with a different transfer story, espcially if Shepard and Miranda get together.

But I do think it was - again - a big scientific blunder. It should not have been possible under any remotely plausible conditions, although we can always pretend that Shepard's body was shock-frozen fast enough to keep his brain structure intact (very unlikely) and caught before it entered the atmosphere of that planet we see in the intro (also unlikely). I wish the ME games took the science in the fiction at least somewhat seriously.

[VampireCommando]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...
Does anyone think that whole death angle at the beginning of me2 was needless? I've thought of two alternates that could have taken Shepard out of the game for two years. At the same time keeping to the main premise of joining Cerberus and all that.

It did introduce Miranda in an unforgettable way. Their relationship has an added dimension because she was the project leader for Project Lazarus. So, no, I don't think ME2 would feel the same with a different transfer story, espcially if Shepard and Miranda get together.

But I do think it was - again - a big scientific blunder. It should not have been possible under any remotely plausible conditions, although we can always pretend that Shepard's body was shock-frozen fast enough to keep his brain structure intact (very unlikely) and caught before it entered the atmosphere of that planet we see in the intro (also unlikely). I wish the ME games took the science in the fiction at least somewhat seriously.

Yes i also thought how the hell can you bring someone -even Shepard- back from a planet fall, but on the bright side like you said it did introduce Miri quite nicely.

Now a question to you all - two infact;

1: do you think Miri read al of Shep's past history and if so what do you think she thought o him
2: Do you think that Miri had romantic ideas with- about Shep from the start, e.g. when the were bringing him back to life?