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[Caihn]

jtav wrote...

Agreed, I don't care if she's not a party member. I'd rather have an excellent ten-minute cameo than have her return as a squad member, but have her content be thin/generic because the devs have to account for eight other LIs. A Miranda who resigned should be in a very different place than one who didn't. Really, my ideal (as in, this is what I would do if I were in charge) would be something like Kingdom Hearts. You have a small core squad that is supplemented by returning ME/ME2 squad on appropriate missions. Assuming ME3 will involve gathering an army, Miranda would join you for the mission to recruit Cerberus (possibly involving her taking over for TIM), Tali/Legion for the quarians/geth, etc. You could only get the best result if the appropriate person was in your squad.

I don't understand why Miranda should not be in the small core squad.
I don't see who deserve more to be in the squad, especially if she resigns from Cerberus.

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

:crying::crying::crying::crying:

Grrr. I do care. Quite a lot. And this is why: have you ever seen a character with good and extensive scenes and characterization and a good role in the plot who is neither an antagonist nor a team member? I haven't, in any Bioware game, and I would very much like to point out that one of the points of this thread is to get Miranda back as an LI, a good character in general and a team member.

Grrrr.

(I did mention that I wouldn't mind a period of absence, as long as I have some control over it).

I agree.

[DurkBakala]

How do you get the Miranda hug? I've never heard anything about it beyond that gif posted on the previous page.

[MegWithAMouth]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

:crying::crying::crying::crying:

Grrr. I do care. Quite a lot. And this is why: have you ever seen a character with good and extensive scenes and characterization and a good role in the plot who is neither an antagonist nor a team member? I haven't, in any Bioware game, and I would very much like to point out that one of the points of this thread is to get Miranda back as an LI, a good character in general and a team member.

Grrrr.

(I did mention that I wouldn't mind a period of absence, as long as I have some control over it).

I agree.

I care. Like I said, obviously I would prefer that. However, I  only have a general idea of where they'll take the story in ME3 so I can't really say whether or not her role in that will be best suited as a squadmate or not. We don't even know for sure whether or not the subplot regarding her father will be pursued in ME3 or  how that will affect the main story.  I just want justice to be done to her character in one way or another.  If I can still talk and interact with her (sort of like Liara in ME2) and her role in the game is handled well then I won't really complain about not being able to take her on missions with me.

[Caihn]

I'm sure LI from ME1 and ME2 will have a fledged role in ME3, regardless of whether they can die or not.

That's why I think they can't be only cameoed. They have to be in the squad.

[Caihn]

DurkBakala wrote...

How do you get the Miranda hug? I've never heard anything about it beyond that gif posted on the previous page.

Choose 'No promises' when Miranda says 'So don't die! You promise me, damn it!'.

[Ieldra]

MegWithAMouth wrote...
[...], I  only have a general idea of where they'll take the story in ME3 so I can't really say whether or not her role in that will be best suited as a squadmate or not.

I'm looking at it from a design viewpoint. And I'm completely convinced if a character isn't in the squad, his or her role will be minimized as a consequence. Which is why I'm so vehemently arguing against even mentioning the possibility in this thread.

[Collider]

Like Ieldra I don't think Miranda being a non-squadmate is the correct route to go. Ideally all of the love interests should be squad mates.

[Ieldra]

I'm of a mind to post a Miranda picture....

[jtav]

That's nine LIs. Content was already thinner than I would have liked with six. Add in the new squadmates, and things get really unwieldy They really need a smaller squad or a longer development cycle. Since it doesn't look like option 2 is likely, my money is on 1. So the question becomes: who stays and who goes?

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

That's nine LIs. Content was already thinner than I would have liked with six. Add in the new squadmates, and things get really unwieldy They really need a smaller squad or a longer development cycle. Since it doesn't look like option 2 is likely, my money is on 1. So the question becomes: who stays and who goes?

I say you can only have a Squad of six. You pick one squadmate from ME (Liara, Kaidan or Ash) then you pick three LI from ME( example, miri, Garrus and Thane) then if Legion and Grunt are still alive, they join you. If those two die, they will cause a huge backlash, because if Legion dies, you have no conjtact with the Geth and if Grunt dies, the Shayman has already warned you. Then we got people like mordin. I say put him in charge of the science lab, but also giveh im dialog, he helps out, but he's not a squadmate. Give Samara a very good cameo, and if she's alive, she helps you in the final battle. As for Wrex, if he's alive, he can join your squad at the final battle.

Now how about newcomers? Well you give them a squad of four. You give them choices that enable to let them beat the game, but it's not really a good ending, this encourages others to buy ME and ME2.

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'm of a mind to post a Miranda picture....

I have always loved this shot, she looks so calm, but angry.

[jtav]

Why do I get the distinct sense that gun is being pointed at me?



I still like my idea. Everyone gets to come back as a squaddie for 2-3 hrs with mission specific dialogue. I would love it if she were a core part of the game, but I don't want the fans of other LIs to be shortchanged either. And I REALLY want even deeper squad interaction than we got this time around.

[Caihn]

jtav wrote...

That's nine LIs. Content was already thinner than I would have liked with six. Add in the new squadmates, and things get really unwieldy They really need a smaller squad or a longer development cycle. Since it doesn't look like option 2 is likely, my money is on 1. So the question becomes: who stays and who goes?

I don't think they need a longer development cycle.
They don't need to create new characters, they already exist. (lots of time saved)
They don't need to think about recruiting missions for ME2 characters, they are already in the crew.

[kraidy1117]

Yannkee wrote...

jtav wrote...

That's nine LIs. Content was already thinner than I would have liked with six. Add in the new squadmates, and things get really unwieldy They really need a smaller squad or a longer development cycle. Since it doesn't look like option 2 is likely, my money is on 1. So the question becomes: who stays and who goes?

I don't think they need a longer development cycle.
They don't need to create new characters, they already exist. (lots of time saved)
They don't need to think about recruiting missions for ME2 characters, they are already in the crew.

Unless Bioware decideds to screw us all over and gives them all crappy cameos and a bunch of new characters.

[Caihn]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

jtav wrote...

That's nine LIs. Content was already thinner than I would have liked with six. Add in the new squadmates, and things get really unwieldy They really need a smaller squad or a longer development cycle. Since it doesn't look like option 2 is likely, my money is on 1. So the question becomes: who stays and who goes?

I don't think they need a longer development cycle.
They don't need to create new characters, they already exist. (lots of time saved)
They don't need to think about recruiting missions for ME2 characters, they are already in the crew.

Unless Bioware decideds to screw us all over and gives them all crappy cameos and a bunch of new characters.

I think it would be stupid, and a waste of time.

This option will cause the longest developpement time.

Modifié par Yannkee, 16 mai 2010 - 07:38 .

[MegWithAMouth]

Yannkee wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

jtav wrote...

That's nine LIs. Content was already thinner than I would have liked with six. Add in the new squadmates, and things get really unwieldy They really need a smaller squad or a longer development cycle. Since it doesn't look like option 2 is likely, my money is on 1. So the question becomes: who stays and who goes?

I don't think they need a longer development cycle.
They don't need to create new characters, they already exist. (lots of time saved)
They don't need to think about recruiting missions for ME2 characters, they are already in the crew.

Unless Bioware decideds to screw us all over and gives them all crappy cameos and a bunch of new characters.

I think it would be stupid, and a waste of time.

Agreed. It wouldn't make any sense. I really can't see them going that route.

[kraidy1117]

Yannkee wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

jtav wrote...

That's nine LIs. Content was already thinner than I would have liked with six. Add in the new squadmates, and things get really unwieldy They really need a smaller squad or a longer development cycle. Since it doesn't look like option 2 is likely, my money is on 1. So the question becomes: who stays and who goes?

I don't think they need a longer development cycle.
They don't need to create new characters, they already exist. (lots of time saved)
They don't need to think about recruiting missions for ME2 characters, they are already in the crew.

Unless Bioware decideds to screw us all over and gives them all crappy cameos and a bunch of new characters.

I think it would be stupid, and a waste of time.

It would be a waste of time and money. Bioware would have to use more resources to make new characters and get new VA's. It's more cost friendly if Bioware just uses's the old squadmates.

[kraidy1117]

O.o meg? It's good to see you active again.

[jtav]

I figure we'll be getting between 2-4 new squaddies, minimum. Bioware does enjoy creating new characters and ME3 is a standalone title. I also expect some ME2 squaddies to be recruitable in some form, whether through something similar to my temp squaddie idea or fully recruiting them.

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

I figure we'll be getting between 2-4 new squaddies, minimum. Bioware does enjoy creating new characters and ME3 is a standalone title. I also expect some ME2 squaddies to be recruitable in some form, whether through something similar to my temp squaddie idea or fully recruiting them.

Really, it's not that hard to make a squad of all the old characters. ME3 can not be about the characters, that's what ME2 was for. ME3 is the final, this one has to focus on the main plot. Making new characters could conflict that. Not saying it will, but it could. I can think of many ways Bioware can not make any new squad members and pleese fans and newcomers.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 16 mai 2010 - 07:45 .

[Vyndael]

jtav wrote...

I figure we'll be getting between 2-4 new squaddies, minimum. Bioware does enjoy creating new characters and ME3 is a standalone title. I also expect some ME2 squaddies to be recruitable in some form, whether through something similar to my temp squaddie idea or fully recruiting them.

That's what I was thinking. I won't mind so much if the ME2 characters aren't recruitable and given a cameo instead. So long as its not crappy I'll be happy.

[kraidy1117]

Vyndael wrote...

jtav wrote...

I figure we'll be getting between 2-4 new squaddies, minimum. Bioware does enjoy creating new characters and ME3 is a standalone title. I also expect some ME2 squaddies to be recruitable in some form, whether through something similar to my temp squaddie idea or fully recruiting them.

That's what I was thinking. I won't mind so much if the ME2 characters aren't recruitable and given a cameo instead. So long as its not crappy I'll be happy.

Vyn, this is what will happen. If Bioware makes new characters, then theres two choices. they will have to focus on the characters, again sacerficing the main story, pissing off alot of fans, or they focus on the story and the characters are not dev hardly at all, causing fans to be pissed off again. ME3 can not be about the characters, it has to be about the story.

[Andysilv]

Vyndael wrote...

jtav wrote...

I figure we'll be getting between 2-4 new squaddies, minimum. Bioware does enjoy creating new characters and ME3 is a standalone title. I also expect some ME2 squaddies to be recruitable in some form, whether through something similar to my temp squaddie idea or fully recruiting them.

That's what I was thinking. I won't mind so much if the ME2 characters aren't recruitable and given a cameo instead. So long as its not crappy I'll be happy.

I don't mind if they aren't squadmates, that makes no difference to me. As long as I get a shedload of dialogue and character development and of course a satisfying end to the romance then it's all good, however it gets done.

[kraidy1117]

andysilv87 wrote...

Vyndael wrote...

jtav wrote...

I figure we'll be getting between 2-4 new squaddies, minimum. Bioware does enjoy creating new characters and ME3 is a standalone title. I also expect some ME2 squaddies to be recruitable in some form, whether through something similar to my temp squaddie idea or fully recruiting them.

That's what I was thinking. I won't mind so much if the ME2 characters aren't recruitable and given a cameo instead. So long as its not crappy I'll be happy.

I don't mind if they aren't squadmates, that makes no difference to me. As long as I get a shedload of dialogue and character development and of course a satisfying end to the romance then it's all good, however it gets done.

Andy, that won't happen. As a trilogy, ME3 has to follow the rules. ME3 can and will not focus on the characters like it did in ME2. It will be more dangerous if Bioware makes a new squad then make returining squadmates from ME and ME2. It's not that hard to do. The thing is, will Bioware and EA has the quad to do it.