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[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Why do I get the distinct sense that gun is being pointed at me?

I still like my idea. Everyone gets to come back as a squaddie for 2-3 hrs with mission specific dialogue.

That would amount to what we've got in ME2, only that we're forced to change squadmates at certain times. Doesn't sound so good if you look at it this way, doesn't it.

I would love it if she were a core part of the game, but I don't want the fans of other LIs to be shortchanged either.

And she was not a core part other squadmates - those in the core squad - would have a bigger role. Doesn't sound so good if you look at it this was, doesn't it? If you want to be fair to the other LIs, then all of them should be treated equally.

And I REALLY want even deeper squad interaction than we got this time around.

Yes, I want that as well. But that would mean fewer squadmates. Or perhaps not. In DAO we've got ten and there's a lot of squad interaction. I think an ME3 squad of 10 could be selected from the two other games' characters with not too much difficulty.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 mai 2010 - 07:53 .

[kraidy1117]

Well DAO was also a huge game Ieldra, Biowares biggest they have ever made.

[Vyndael]

That's not what Andy and I were getting at. We meant that the decisions made in the other 2 games should have more of an impact in the third. It wasn't really impressive the ME2. No one is saying that it should focus on the characters.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Considering you HAVE to finish ME2 with 2 squadmates and because their is potentially 2-3 ME squadmates still alive. Am going to guess we'll see a maximum of 4 new squadmates.



One thing to remember, whilst yes the ME2 LIs can die, we know that there is going to be a potential conflict in ME3 if you cheated, I can't see them having that so it is just Shep and the ME LI having a go at each other. I suppose the question is in what sort of scenario would it be. Would it be a case of recruitment? ie. If ME2 LI is alive then the two of them force Shep to decide and whichever he doesn't choose to be with, goes running off into the galaxy (sorta like the situation with choosing to spare Loghain in DAO) or are we having another 'loyalty' type thing in which case the rejected LI isn't loyal to Shep. If the ME2 LI isn't alive firstly, who the frell went and told the ME LI? I suppose that ? could be asked even if they are alive, but I suppose the way Shep walks/looks/hangsout with ME2 LI would make it obvious. But still, is it a case of having to persuade them it was some one night thing. If Shep unable to, revert back to the previous notion that the ME LI isn't loyal or refuses to join the squad.



I think the ME2 LIs have a stronger chance to be in ME3 unless we have some pre-ME3 expansion which will explain what happened to the team that survived.

[jtav]

I want three things in terms of Miranda:

1) The romance to be treated positively and reach some sort of (preferably happy) conclusion.

2) For the character to be recognizable as Miranda

3) For their to be some difference between her resigning and not.



Everything else is gravy, but my expectations get much higher if she's fully recruitable.

[Ieldra]

andysilv87 wrote...
I don't mind if they aren't squadmates, that makes no difference to me. As long as I get a shedload of dialogue and character development and of course a satisfying end to the romance then it's all good, however it gets done.

I say we won't get that for characters who aren't squadmates. Since this is an RPG/shooter game and not an adventure, Bioware won't "waste" resources for deep character interaction/develepment for characters we don't play with.

You - and others - argue that we can forego one in favor of the other. It won't happen. Forego one and the other will follow, that's how it'll go. So please let's stop this now and remind everyone that we want Miranda in a BIG role. We want more character development, more interaction, continue the romance. What makes you all think this will be even remotely likely for any character who is not a squadmate?

So, please STOP discussing this. Please. It can only serve to diminish Miranda's role in ME3.

@jtav:
That would not be enough for me. I want Miranda to have a role in one of the plots the story of ME3 is made of. How else - if there isn't a story - can we expect more character development?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 mai 2010 - 08:10 .

[Collider]

Well, jtav, the thing is that no one wants their favorite characters to be sidelined in the last game of the trilogy - seeing as it is the last game and last chance to see these characters interact with Shepard. Especially if the character in question is a romance interest.

I don't think the question of squad size is really as important as some think. Consider this:

1. Ashley/Kadian
2. Liara
3. Garrus
4. Tali
5. Jacob
6. Miranda
7. Jack
8. Thane
9. Samara
10. Legion
11. New Squad Mate
12. New Squad Mate

That's 13 squad mates, about the same as ME2. I included Legion as he is the most important squad mate out of those who aren't romanceable - Wrex is important as well but he's doing stuff on Tuchanka. Those who botched the suicide mission and survived with like Zaeed and Morinth will still have Ashley/Kaidan, Liara, and the two new squad mates. That's 4 which is more than enough.

Modifié par Collider, 16 mai 2010 - 08:10 .

[kraidy1117]

Vyndael wrote...

That's not what Andy and I were getting at. We meant that the decisions made in the other 2 games should have more of an impact in the third. It wasn't really impressive the ME2. No one is saying that it should focus on the characters.

I would argue with ME2. I was surprised that choices changed things as much as it did. We won't see the conflitcs of our choice until ME3, but ME2 does forshadow things. Let's look at the council. If you let them die, it does not seem that big deal when you go to Anderson, however once you walk around the wards, listen to the news and talk to that Asari woman, you then see this choice is going to bite you in the ass. Lets look at the krogans. Wreave is not uniting  the krogans, he is making life worse for them, where Wrex is making a better life for them, this will have a impact on the krogan forces. The big one is the Rachni. If you let the Rachni live, you are proven that they will help you in the war and they are building there fleets.

Now lets look at choices that will impact ME3 in a big way from ME2.

-Miri quiting Cerberus will have a huge impact on what happens with Oriana.
-The Genophage cure reserch. If you destoiry it and have Wreave as the krogan leader, the krogan go extinct. There is  many varables for this.
-The Heritics. Rewriting them while could cause something in the future is the best choice right now because you are going to need alot of numbers. Plus theres the thing with Legion. If Legion is dead, you have no contact with the Geth, thus your geth forces could be hurt big time
-Then we have Tali. You can try to settle peace between the Geth and Quarians or let them go to war, impacting the your forces again. There's also the matter with Tali dieing. You are warned that if Tali dies, they will not be pleesed with you.
-Now we have Grunt, who you are warned by the Shayman that if he dies he will ****** on your grave. Similar to Tali, this can cause a huge conflict.


These things can and will impact the war. ME3, we will see all our choices come to closure.

[kraidy1117]

um WTF? What the hell happen to my pic....

[Ieldra]

@Collider:

What makes you think Samara will reappear in ME3? Not that I don't like her, but she's expendable. I don't see a plot-critical role for her, and she's not at LI.

[TheSixthghoul]

I was thinking, the next one shouldn't have much content, sense it's the last of the trilogy. I'm thinking most of the missions will be wrap up missions from the first two and some new that well be wrapped up into to the main story. I'm thinking if you had a romance you get a special romance mission, extra dialogue and alternate special cut's that wouldn't be there otherwise and all the other stuff from choices in the first two.

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Collider:
What makes you think Samara will reappear in ME3? Not that I don't like her, but she's expendable. I don't see a plot-critical role for her, and she's not at LI.

I think she will be made a cameo my self, but a very good one where she runs into you and if you are a Paragon, she talks to you and says she will help you in the  war, where if your a renagade she will try to kill you. If she is dead, then during the final battle, one of your squadmates die.

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote...
um WTF? What the hell happen to my pic....

I don't know, but I'll post one instead....

[smecky-kitteh]

Collider wrote...

Well, jtav, the thing is that no one wants their favorite characters to be sidelined in the last game of the trilogy - seeing as it is the last game and last chance to see these characters interact with Shepard. Especially if the character in question is a romance interest.

I don't think the question of squad size is really as important as some think. Consider this:

1. Ashley/Kadian
2. Liara
3. Garrus
4. Tali
5. Jacob
6. Miranda
7. Jack
8. Thane
9. Samara
10. Legion
11. New Squad Mate
12. New Squad Mate

That's 13 squad mates, about the same as ME2. I included Legion as he is the most important squad mate out of those who aren't romanceable - Wrex is important as well but he's doing stuff on Tuchanka. Those who botched the suicide mission and survived with like Zaeed and Morinth will still have Ashley/Kaidan, Liara, and the two new squad mates. That's 4 which is more than enough.

I think maybe grunt should be added to that list. I would be sad if another krogan team mate left you for clan urdnot. he thinks of you as his battlemaster and maybe even his krant. 

Modifié par smecky-kitteh, 16 mai 2010 - 08:17 .

[kraidy1117]

Sixth Goul wrote...

I was thinking, the next one shouldn't have much content, sense it's the last of the trilogy. I'm thinking most of the missions will be wrap up missions from the first two and some new that well be wrapped up into to the main story. I'm thinking if you had a romance you get a special romance mission, extra dialogue and alternate special cut's that wouldn't be there otherwise and all the other stuff from choices in the first two.

This. ME3 has to focus on warping up the plot or the trilogy will have failed hard.

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
um WTF? What the hell happen to my pic....

I don't know, but I'll post one instead....

Well that's just great, my DAO pic went all wonky now <_< (oh and I love that pic)

[Collider]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Collider:
What makes you think Samara will reappear in ME3? Not that I don't like her, but she's expendable. I don't see a plot-critical role for her, and she's not at LI.

I don't actively think she will actually.  She was just part of my suggestion as to who returns.

True she has zero plot role, but Jack doesn't either. Thane has some pretty minimal role in the plot. Samara's also "kind of" a love interest. There's very little, but there is something there.

Samara, if you are paragon, says she'll help you fight the Reapers after the Collectors are done with, IIRC. Could be wrong, but that's what I heard. Of the other squad mates like Kasumi, Zaeed, etc I think she seems more likely though.

[Collider]

I think maybe grunt should be added to that list. I would be sad if another krogan team mate left you for clan urdnot. he thinks of you as his battlemaster and maybe even his krant.

That's a good point. Maybe I should switch Samara with Grunt.

[kraidy1117]

I think Grunt thinks Shepard like a father IMO. Grunt looks up to Shepard and resepcts the hell out of him.

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

I was thinking, the next one shouldn't have much content, sense it's the last of the trilogy. I'm thinking most of the missions will be wrap up missions from the first two and some new that well be wrapped up into to the main story. I'm thinking if you had a romance you get a special romance mission, extra dialogue and alternate special cut's that wouldn't be there otherwise and all the other stuff from choices in the first two.

This. ME3 has to focus on warping up the plot or the trilogy will have failed hard.

Yes, but it has to wrap up the romances and the main plot. And it also has to tell its own part of the story. There has to be new content in the main plot because ME2 hadn't much of one. Regarding the LIs, I'd say it's a waste of resources to make missions only playable by those who romance certain characters. Instead, as many characters as possible should have a role in some subplot of the main story implemented as a mission or two - Tali, Legion, Miranda are obvious candidates - which preferably connects some personal element with the main plot, while the LIs get extra dialogue and cutscenes, but not whole missions. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 mai 2010 - 08:27 .

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

I was thinking, the next one shouldn't have much content, sense it's the last of the trilogy. I'm thinking most of the missions will be wrap up missions from the first two and some new that well be wrapped up into to the main story. I'm thinking if you had a romance you get a special romance mission, extra dialogue and alternate special cut's that wouldn't be there otherwise and all the other stuff from choices in the first two.

This. ME3 has to focus on warping up the plot or the trilogy will have failed hard.

Yes, but it has to wrap up the romances and the main plot. And it also has to tell its own part of the story. There has to be new content in the main plot because ME2 hadn't much of one. Regarding the LIs, I'd say it's a waste of resources to make missions only playable by those who romance certain characters. Instead, as many characters as possible should have a role in some subplot of the main story - Tali, Legion, Miranda are obvious candidates - which preferably connects some personal element with the main plot, while the LIs get extra dialogue and cutscenes, but not whole missions. 

Ya miri, Legion and Tali will have some conaquences if you let them die, just because of there connection to several things. It's safe to say we will hunt TIM down dueing the game and have a choice to kill him or imprison him. TIM is a major character, can't see him not being part of ME3. I am not saying the characters should not be dev at all, but ME3 has to focus on closing everythning, not adding more things that will not get closure.

[Collider]

I imagine if Miranda survived and you destroyed the base, she will use her knowledge of Cerberus to help you defend yourself against TIM and possibly destroy/damage Cerberus.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

I imagine if Miranda survived and you destroyed the base, she will use her knowledge of Cerberus to help you defend yourself against TIM and possibly destroy/damage Cerberus.

Plus we have her father. Her father is going to attack Oriana because Oriana does not have protection at all. That has to be a side quest. I really want to confront him.

Also Miri would know where TIm stays, she is a high ranking opertive, why do you think TIM went after Paul?

Modifié par kraidy1117, 16 mai 2010 - 08:35 .

[Collider]

Wouldn't mind planting a bullet in TIM's skull. My canon Shepard is Sole Survivor, Cerberus tried to kill him.

[kraidy1117]

Ima kill TIM my self, get him out of the way so he does not stir things up.