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[jtav]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Is it horrible that I really want to hear "be gentle with her" for myself? *sighs* I eat stuff like that up.

It's little things in the Kasumi DLC like this that show Bioware's attention to detail. I was really impressed to hear this.

Similar topic...

How long do you guys see any Miranda romance going? (I'm thinking primarily Miranda/Shepard but can be Miranda/random guy, Miranda/Jacob AU, Miranda/Thane, etc.)

I personally like really short but intense romances, preferably with a heartbreaking ending with the possibility of relapse in the future. With the Miranda/Shepard pairing, I say a few months max.

I disagree. I think Miranda is playing for keeps with Shepard. Unless something happens they are staying together. It's always possible that it won't work out, but I'm attached to my fantasy scenario of the two of them having a daughter and juggling the domestic with being two of the most influential people in the galaxy.

Miranda/Jacob seems like it was brief. Miranda/Thane has an expiration date bilt in, so it pleases me to think it would last the entire 18 months or so he has left.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

The Kasumi DLC got some really bad reviews out there but I'm not really sure why. She's a fairly interesting character with a cool backstory, she's surprisingly well-integrated with the rest of the game with her comments, and her loyalty mission is one of the best in the game IMO. All for $7 too.

As far as I know the Kasumi DLC only got one review (I'm sure it got a few more, but I'm just unaware of them), from Kotaku. The author's main issue was that it was too short and didn't make much sense post-suicide mission.

What he was missing, of course, was that it wasn't intended as a story expansion. It was intended to be downloaded before the suicide mission.

I do really dislike when reviewers don't get their facts straight before they start running their mouths.

I think he did kind of realize that, but only after he'd already downloaded and played it. It struck me as mostly irritated rather than critical.

Judge for yourself though.

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

I disagree. I think Miranda is playing for keeps with Shepard. Unless something happens they are staying together. It's always possible that it won't work out, but I'm attached to my fantasy scenario of the two of them having a daughter and juggling the domestic with being two of the most influential people in the galaxy.

Miranda/Jacob seems like it was brief. Miranda/Thane has an expiration date bilt in, so it pleases me to think it would last the entire 18 months or so he has left.

This is the ideal scenario and the one I think Miranda and Shepard want but I don't see it happening (or maybe I don't want to see it happen). Disregarding that the Reaper threat is the priority for both of them, neither is used to being in a monogamous relationship and both their lives have heretofore been defined by their careers. Personality-wise, these are two strong personalities used to always getting their way. I don't see either as having much experience with the give-and-take compromises of a longterm relationship.

Again, I prefer tragic endings to happy ones so this colours my perception of the longterm prospects of the relationship.

[jtav]

You raise good points. I just desperately want a happy ending especially for her, so, in my head, they overcome their issues and make it work despite the odds. I've given Miranda enough crap in my backstory and immediate future that I think she deserves a happy ending. Though my personal timeline puts the kid about twenty years post-ME3, so it's not as if I have them settling imeediately into domestic bliss.

[jtav]

I hope Bioware eschews their usual epilogue so we can imagine what happens after the Reapers are defeated as we see fit.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

jtav wrote...

I hope Bioware eschews their usual epilogue so we can imagine what happens after the Reapers are defeated as we see fit.

IF we are to defeat the Reapers.

Ya never know we might get some uber plot twist...

or to quote Randy from Scream 3... we'll find out that all we have found out beforehand is all wrong.

Anyway as for the whole epilogue thing. If they did that they'll get people complaining. Proof of that, just look at DAO and all the people wanting to 'know what happened next' for their wardens.

Doesn't matter what Bioware does, there will always be some silly people complaining about how the ending is going to get handled.

Part of me actually wants Jack and Miranda to go out in a hail of bullets, biotics and tech explosions. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid style.

Actually I wonder how many endings there will be? I hope it isn't just a case of 4 (Renegade/Paragon Shep alive/dead) but am not holding my breath for more really.

[jtav]

I can imagine my own "what happens next" Don't need or want Bioware to tell me. I imagine the endings will range from sunshine and rainbows to the galaxy in ruins. Shep will probably die in at least one.

And, will you look at that: my much-famed appetite for tragedy has limits. If the romance ends, I want ito be for a good dramatic reason and not just Miranda's trust and intimacy issues getting the better of her.

Modifié par jtav, 17 mai 2010 - 01:13 .

[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

I can imagine my own "what happens next" Don't need or want Bioware to tell me. I imagine the endings will range from sunshine and rainbows to the galaxy in ruins. Shep will probably die in at least one.

And, will you look at that: my much-famed appetite for tragedy has limits. If the romance ends, I want ito be for a good dramatic reason and not just Miranda's trust and intimacy issues getting the better of her.

That would be a pretty crappy reason if their relationship ended because "Commander Shepard doesn't do dishes" or "Miranda feels that Shepard is always pushing her to share her feelings". The perfect ending in my head ironically has a kid too, but Shepard dies in some dramatic scene, sacrificing himself to protect a pregnant Miranda after a prolonged goodbye. *wipes away a man-tear* 

[Ieldra]

Miranda says good morning....







...I'll be back in a bit for replies.

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...
I imagine if Miranda survived and you destroyed the base, she will use her knowledge of Cerberus to help you defend yourself against TIM and possibly destroy/damage Cerberus.

Plus we have her father. Her father is going to attack Oriana because Oriana does not have protection at all. That has to be a side quest. I really want to confront him.

That depends on the role Cerberus will have in ME3. The focus is the fight against the Reapers. So it could end like this: if we destroyed the base and Miranda defects, Cerberus is weakened enough that it ceases to be a significant factor in the conflict. If we keep the base, we get them as allies and they will contribute to the fight with new weapons or suchlike, and play a part in the setup of the after-the-Reapers civilization. If that happens, we might get an epilogue involving Miranda and Cerberus. Of course, I'd prefer to see that in the game.

As for Miranda's father, I don't think we'll get closure on both - Miranda/Cerberus and Miranda/her father. I'd prefer to get the Cerberus angle continued, and leave Miranda's father in the background (with the faint hope that she'll get her own story in a future game). Again, the focus will be the fight against the Reapers, I'd prefer it if family matters were left out this time, that angle has already been overused in ME2.

In my opinion, a good end for an epic story does not provide closure on everything. It resolves the central conflict, but leaves certain paths open for the imagination of the player to imagine.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Stuck with the vanilla game. No DLC for me.

Do you know anyone who has the game and all its DLC? It's possible to install the DLC items offline, if you've bought them, the verification will run just fine. 

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...
Well, not really bad, but surprisingly mediocre. A lot of reviewers seemed to be expecting more and saw $7 for a single mission and a non-interactable character as bad value. I guess for a lot of people ME2 isn't a very replayable game so $7 for an experience you'll only go through once or twice doesn't sound like a great deal. DLC map packs for first person shooters like COD theoretically offer more value for more gamers because those types of games have online multiplayer.

If you count $$, it doesn't sound like a good deal. With the full game, we get about 20 missions and 25 assignments for $50-70, and all team members have at least acceptable (if not always extensive) interaction. There's also the fact that as interesting as Kasumi and her mission are, we really didn't need yet another team member. I really like Kasumi and her mission, but I'm not surprised that people consider the value they get for their money less than satisfactory, even though $7 is little enough in absolute terms.

Now for an extension of an existing character's story, that would be quite a different matter, for it would serve to correct a flaw - a somewhat unavoidable one, but still - in ME2 and deepen existing characters. I don't think we'll get one, for they'd have to provide one for every character or the others' fans will riot, and anyway they'd better put all that in ME3, but it would have been nice.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 mai 2010 - 07:30 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I do wish the game gave us more opportunities for a more overt romanticism in Miranda's romance. "So don't die" was great, but I wanted more. Or am I playing the wrong romance?

Actually, yes. Miranda's romance is, IMO, the wrong romance for more overt romanticism. Play Tali's for that. More covert romantisicm - pardon the pun - would be more appropriate. An overabundance of such overtly romantic moments would be out of character - expressions of deep emotions are rare and special for Miranda, and should stay that way. If anything, subtle nonverbal cues are the way to go. If people don't understand them, then so be it. I'd rather have that than a Miranda I don't recognize anymore.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 mai 2010 - 07:37 .

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I do wish the game gave us more opportunities for a more overt romanticism in Miranda's romance. "So don't die" was great, but I wanted more. Or am I playing the wrong romance?

I definitely agree with this. I don't like flings. Romances in fiction should mean something and contribute to character development. I wish ME2 had written a few more lines showing growing emotional connection in addition to those portraying the existing physical attraction.

A few points to remember:
(1) Less overt romanticism does not mean that the romance means less. it only means that the characters involved don't show their feelings as openly. 
(2) Flings can also contribute to character development. I don't consider Miranda's romance one, but it has to be said.

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...
I did dislike certain lines in the romance that Shepard could choose that made the romance seem less romantic and more sexual - like the "I just want you in bed" stuff. The placement of those choices, if I'm correct, in the right top, is rather baffling, because that's supposed to be the paragon position.

That line is a joke to lighten the mood, as confirmed by Miranda's response. I guess people can treat it as an invitation to a fling if they want, but it never came across to me as such.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...
I personally like really short but intense romances, preferably with a heartbreaking ending with the possibility of relapse in the future. With the Miranda/Shepard pairing, I say a few months max.

I disagree. I think Miranda is playing for keeps with Shepard. Unless something happens they are staying together.

Yes. If Miranda gets emotionally involved it will be long-term as far as she's concerned. She won't lower her walls for anything less. I would like to get a choice of several epilogues with different futures for Shepard and Miranda, but I'd be very disappointed if I couldn't make them stay together. I could accept a tragic end, or circumstances that separate them, but as far as Miranda and Shepard are concerned, the intent is to stay together.

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Collider wrote...
I did dislike certain lines in the romance that Shepard could choose that made the romance seem less romantic and more sexual - like the "I just want you in bed" stuff. The placement of those choices, if I'm correct, in the right top, is rather baffling, because that's supposed to be the paragon position.

That line is a joke to lighten the mood, as confirmed by Miranda's response. I guess people can treat it as an invitation to a fling if they want, but it never came across to me as such.

Even if it's a joke, am I the only one who think it's the worst line written of all Miri/Shep dialogues ?

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Nah... I think the worst is "Oh I'm definitly interested", maybe it's the way Meers delivers it, I just think it sounds slimy/creepy, though I suppose it further doesn't help when it is said with a Shep with the renegade scars on him... (don't worry am not going to post THAT pic again )

[Caihn]

I agree, I forgot this one. But you can complete the romance without hearing it.

Now, I do the hug scene as late as possible so I don't feel obliged to talk to her again until Omega 4 relay.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
I agree, I forgot this one. But you can complete the romance without hearing it.

You can also complete the romance without ever hearing "Who said anything about love....". Just select "Don't know, don't care" in answer to her question.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 mai 2010 - 08:51 .

[Caihn]

I always choose "don't know don't care"

[VampireCommando]

whats this, the Miri thread, slowing down,



I WILL NOT ALOW THIS. . . I CANNOT ALLOW THIS



i there for declair this post a bump

[Caihn]

I'm currently finishing Miranda's loyalty mission album. I'll upload it and post it soon.

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Hah. I just realized, I have never romanced anyone other than Miranda on any of my maleShep playthroughs.

Also, do you guys think she's a better LI for a paragon or renegade Shep?

(The obvious answer being both but seriously.

[Caihn]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

Hah. I just realized, I have never romanced anyone other than Miranda on any of my maleShep playthroughs.
Also, do you guys think she's a better LI for a paragon or renegade Shep?
(The obvious answer being both but seriously.

I like paragade, and paragon for her.
I played 5 male Shep : 3 Paragon, and 2 Paragade.
I never managed to play full renegade, especially with her.