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[Andysilv]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
I use my Jack Shepard avatar, granted some people could copy him... but I am the original!

It's a shame that everytime I hear that I think of the idiot from Lost.

[jtav]

I'm sitting here thinking how much I would have liked it if Miranda had appeared in ME, possibly as a mild antagonist. Shepard is sent to stop Cerberus from acquiring illegal weapons tech and Miranda is overseeing the operation. Or a turian ambassador (who is secretly involved with separatist groups) asks Shepard to protect him from an assassin--Miranda. Defeating her wouldn't kill her, nor does she regard it as anything personal. I'm envisioning a sort of Batman/Catwoman or Holmes/Irene Adler dynamic for her and a male Shep.



*wonders if this would be worth expanding*

[jtav]

I do have a genius for killing threads, don't I?



Any idea how long it would have taken to design and build the original Normandy?

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Hmm. Star Wars discussion... *goes away*

KOTOR is not really Star Wars.  Great characters and compelling story lines and complicated moral decisions make it seem like a whole new setting.

Anyway this is Bioware we are talking about not some Lucas movie.  I will probably not be playing TOR though, I will be a father by then and probably will not have time.

I have issues with the SW universe. It features something I *really* hate in fictional universes: human morality built into its structure. You can't escape this artificial dichotomy in the SW universe. The ME universe does it all so much better, in spite of one or the other misimplemented detail. I wish ME had a chance of getting as popular as SW.

@jtav:
Some people have to work and for that reason can't keep up a continuous presence here.... But I know how you feel. It's like that most days around noon for me. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 mai 2010 - 03:41 .

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Why not try a different Shepard? You can't have exhausted every character type that interests you....

You know I actually tried doing that a bit but really only one sort of Shepard interests me.  I just have a concept of the character and I most enjoy being true to that.  Well...except when I switch genders then it seems like a whole different person.

Heh, don't I know that. I have to work to not let a maleShep drift into my standard Paragade template. But I just imported my single Renegade femShep from ME1, and I got into May Shepard's mindset real fast with no trouble at all. Somehow my range of female characters seems to be wider. It wasn't that hard in ME1. I think Miranda may be to blame - I let my maleSheps drift into the template I consider most fitting for romancing Miranda.

[Ieldra]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
I use my Jack Shepard avatar, granted some people could copy him... but I am the original!

Why would anyone want to copy your Shepard? I have made about eight myself without using any face codes or copied slider settings, and if I hadn't, they wouldn't feel like they were my characters.

BTW, it seems the name "Jack" has some significance for you. Why would that be?

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm sitting here thinking how much I would have liked it if Miranda had appeared in ME, possibly as a mild antagonist. Shepard is sent to stop Cerberus from acquiring illegal weapons tech and Miranda is overseeing the operation. Or a turian ambassador (who is secretly involved with separatist groups) asks Shepard to protect him from an assassin--Miranda. Defeating her wouldn't kill her, nor does she regard it as anything personal. I'm envisioning a sort of Batman/Catwoman or Holmes/Irene Adler dynamic for her and a male Shep.
*wonders if this would be worth expanding*

I would have liked that very much. I like the Batman/Catwoman dynamic.

And since you ask: it is worth expanding. IMO at least.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 mai 2010 - 03:59 .

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

I'm sitting here thinking how much I would have liked it if Miranda had appeared in ME, possibly as a mild antagonist. Shepard is sent to stop Cerberus from acquiring illegal weapons tech and Miranda is overseeing the operation. Or a turian ambassador (who is secretly involved with separatist groups) asks Shepard to protect him from an assassin--Miranda. Defeating her wouldn't kill her, nor does she regard it as anything personal. I'm envisioning a sort of Batman/Catwoman or Holmes/Irene Adler dynamic for her and a male Shep.

*wonders if this would be worth expanding*

Sounds interesting jtav.

How about you just start writing and whatever plot you have specced on before that appeals to you the most just go with it?

[jtav]

Might just do that. *is feeling kind of giddy at thought of current idea* Even if I', cribbing shamelessly from Galaxy for the setting and plot.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

Might just do that. *is feeling kind of giddy at thought of current idea* Even if I', cribbing shamelessly from Galaxy for the setting and plot.

Just trying to coach you out of your writer's block

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I have issues with the SW universe. It features something I *really* hate in fictional universes: human morality built into its structure. You can't escape this artificial dichotomy in the SW universe. The ME universe does it all so much better, in spite of one or the other misimplemented detail. I wish ME had a chance of getting as popular as SW.

@jtav:
Some people have to work and for that reason can't keep up a continuous presence here.... But I know how you feel. It's like that most days around noon for me. 

Fair enough.  I think that is one of the main reasons Bioware decided to make their own fantasy and sci fi universes, so they would not be bound by things like The Force and the D&D alignment system.

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Heh, don't I know that. I have to work to not let a maleShep drift into my standard Paragade template. But I just imported my single Renegade femShep from ME1, and I got into May Shepard's mindset real fast with no trouble at all. Somehow my range of female characters seems to be wider. It wasn't that hard in ME1. I think Miranda may be to blame - I let my maleSheps drift into the template I consider most fitting for romancing Miranda.

I have a harder time doing it in Mass Effect for some reason.  I just like the characters in ME too much.  I had a much easier time switching between different character types in Dragon Age.

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I would have liked that very much. I like the Batman/Catwoman dynamic.

Will Miranda be wearing a catsuit in the story?

[jtav]

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I would have liked that very much. I like the Batman/Catwoman dynamic.

Will Miranda be wearing a catsuit in the story?

Try a dress and heels. And playing the brainless arm candy to perfection -- until the shooting starts.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...
Try a dress and heels. And playing the brainless arm candy to perfection -- until the shooting starts.

Even better!

[jtav]

I figure "brainless bimbo" is a role Miranda plays very well. Casual observers would underestimate her because of her looks and she obliges. Though I imagine she always needs a hot shower afterward and is grateful that the kinds of jobs that require the role also require an alias.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

I figure "brainless bimbo" is a role Miranda plays very well. Casual observers would underestimate her because of her looks and she obliges. Though I imagine she always needs a hot shower afterward and is grateful that the kinds of jobs that require the role also require an alias.

Well it is not just that.  She looks alot younger than she is so it is not unexpected for a young person to be a bit naive and a light weight.

But I have seen no evidence she ever uses that sort of manipulation that does not mean she hasn't or wouldn't.  But playing stupid is a pretty good move for any spy or undercover type person.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I figure "brainless bimbo" is a role Miranda plays very well. Casual observers would underestimate her because of her looks and she obliges.

Yeah, I guess she fools even some ME2 players...

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I figure "brainless bimbo" is a role Miranda plays very well. Casual observers would underestimate her because of her looks and she obliges.

Yeah, I guess she fools even some ME2 players...

To my unending frustration. I think we overpraise her here on occasion, but an idiot wouldn't be able to raaise the dead. She's probably the most intelligent human in the series.

Though I am having tremendous fun creating "Miss Solheim."

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...
To my unending frustration. I think we overpraise her here on occasion, but an idiot wouldn't be able to raaise the dead. She's probably the most intelligent human in the series.

Mainly because most of us picture the person she becomes by the end of the game rather than the person she is at the beginning and forgetting not everybody goes through her romance and sees the character develope like we do.

But still, even as she is originally, she is a pretty interesting character.  It strikes me as odd that she gets slammed for being eye-candy.  Every character, even Shepard (or especially Shep even), are eye candy in this series.

[jtav]

Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...
To my unending frustration. I think we overpraise her here on occasion, but an idiot wouldn't be able to raaise the dead. She's probably the most intelligent human in the series.

Mainly because most of us picture the person she becomes by the end of the game rather than the person she is at the beginning and forgetting not everybody goes through her romance and sees the character develope like we do.

But still, even as she is originally, she is a pretty interesting character.  It strikes me as odd that she gets slammed for being eye-candy.  Every character, even Shepard (or especially Shep even), are eye candy in this series.

I was thinking more in terms of talent. She is, ironically enough, not a very good leader and seems to have an absolute genius for pissing off subordinates (Wison, Jack) What she is very good at is planning and tactics. She can take a big problem and break it down into smaller steps needed to solve it. But she isn't good inspiring others. An excellent lieutenant, but a poor commander.

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...
To my unending frustration. I think we overpraise her here on occasion, but an idiot wouldn't be able to raaise the dead. She's probably the most intelligent human in the series.

Mainly because most of us picture the person she becomes by the end of the game rather than the person she is at the beginning and forgetting not everybody goes through her romance and sees the character develope like we do.

But still, even as she is originally, she is a pretty interesting character.  It strikes me as odd that she gets slammed for being eye-candy.  Every character, even Shepard (or especially Shep even), are eye candy in this series.

Ha! If she wasn't what she is originally, she'd be far less interesting. Something of that always stays with her throughout the game, and it's good that it does. People always praise her for what she becomes, or reveals, during her loyalty mission and in the romance, but face it: on its own, without the foundation laid by the "morally ambiguous superspy" persona (thanks, jtav, for that term), that would be rather ordinary and not at all special. Miranda the super-competent Cerberus operative, the cool and emotionally detached one, the one who tells Sheaprd in no uncertain terms to mind his own business and not to intrude into what she's not prepared to reveal to anyone at that point, that's what makes her interesting in the first place.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

I was thinking more in terms of talent. She is, ironically enough, not a very good leader and seems to have an absolute genius for pissing off subordinates (Wison, Jack) What she is very good at is planning and tactics. She can take a big problem and break it down into smaller steps needed to solve it. But she isn't good inspiring others. An excellent lieutenant, but a poor commander.

Yeah she is a good leader only in the sense that people have confidence in her abilities.  She inspires no loyalty that is obvious.  Her subordinates sort of resent her actually, she relies on intimidation too much.  Everything about her is built to intimidate.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I was thinking more in terms of talent. She is, ironically enough, not a very good leader and seems to have an absolute genius for pissing off subordinates (Wison, Jack) What she is very good at is planning and tactics. She can take a big problem and break it down into smaller steps needed to solve it. But she isn't good inspiring others. An excellent lieutenant, but a poor commander.

Somewhere I've said she's a coordinator, not a commander. She can coordinate a group of people who don't need any inspiration, for instance the scientists of the Lazarus project, who don't need, or would even resent, the kind of leadership a group of soldiers would need.

As for her "talent" to ****** people off - I think she's just not a "people person" and sometimes steps on people's sensibilities without being aware of it. And never being one for cushioning uncomfortable truths, she might even disrespect people who can't handle these uncomfortable truths and become pissed of at her for telling them. I wonder how she'll deal with the real face of Cerberus in turn. Unfortunately, the game lets her resign, but we're never shown anything of the internal conflict that should have come before.

 

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Unfortunately, the game lets her resign, but we're never shown anything of the internal conflict that should have come before.

 

I LOVE games a story telling medium.  There is nothing more engaging than participating in the story yourself.  However this is one the medium's big weaknesses, internal conflict is just hard to really show.  Granted ME2 shows it happening sometimes, like Mordin and the Genophage over several conversations, but generally you have to be told and not shown.

Especially since she resigns completely irregardless of anyhting Shepard does nor doesn't do with her during the story.

Modifié par Valmy, 18 mai 2010 - 06:47 .