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[Gethforceone]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Do you know what Miri went through as a kid? She wasp used to meet imposable demands, she was abused, she was not loved, she was treated like crap. It is not extream as what happen to Jack but both had similar childhoods. The only difference is that Miri got away before the damage was got worse. I suggest you learn about a character before you try to debate about her with fans of her.

I have to disagree, but this will never go anywhere other than you and I repeating ourselves, neither one of us will ever see the other one's side. 

[TheSixthghoul]

Kraidy1117 don't bother, this guy is just like Jake, your wasting your time. Jake is an aggressive murdering irrational antagonist, who doesn't like Miranda who shouldn't even be anywhere near Miranda. Asking an irrelevant question to a person who'd prefer to turn them in for the bounty, not smart. Jack knew what she was doing barging in on poor Innocent Miranda doing her work, she was looking for a fight.

[Markinator_123]

I hesitate to say that I hate jack. However, on the likeability scale, she is near the bottom for me. Romancing her also seems like a big waste of time and one wrong step on Shepard's part is just asking for a hole in his head.

[TheSixthghoul]

Let, me spin a little theory with everyone. The final choice at the base, I think it represents Shepard choosing the path that humanity will follow. If you look at the choice's pure renegade and pure paragon, no right or wrong,no bad result for doing ether. If you do the paragon ending you want humanity to be equal with the rest of the universe and not want to take over. If you choose the renegade ending you get a sieg heil! (I'm kidding but kind of like that future,but on a universal scale) a humanity elite domination full of supermen right out of novel The Coming Race.

[Gundar3]

@Sixth - Im actually looking forward to my renegade doing this and ushering in the glorious Empire of Man.  Ill be the Illusive mans scond in Command and Miranda will be mine.  :innocent:

[TheSixthghoul]

Gundar3 wrote...

@Sixth - Im actually looking forward to my renegade doing this and ushering in the glorious Empire of Man.  Ill be the Illusive mans scond in Command and Miranda will be mine.  :innocent:

Why can't the TIM be Miranda second in command:D after all he's following Shepard  if he likes it or not? My idea is that humanity would live in utopia while aliens lived in sefdom. Human's would live far surpass any Asari and stronger then any krogan, the highest biotic possible.

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 21 mai 2010 - 05:53 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
If it turns out in ME3 the devs do regard Miranda as a simple (read: exists solely to appeal to the droolers), I'm making another runthrough to kill her off. That's what I have nightmares about: that Miranda will be turned into a glorified Bond girl.

I think Casey was off in more than one aspect in that interview. Read the part about planet scanning - he sounded as if the only people who didn't like it were those who attempted to mine the whole galaxy in one session. And his preference for Jack is well known, so I'm not surprised he's wrong about Miranda. I guess he neither wrote her or read our thread. At least he confirmed that "a lot of people really responded to her", and it didn't sound as if he meant they only responded to her appearance.

Good morning, btw.

[Collider]

Casey didn't write any of the characters...fairly certain.

[Ieldra]

Jackal904 wrote...
Everyone wonders why they're favorite character is hated. I think it mostly boils down to differences in taste. Of course wanting to put a control chip in someone's brain doesn't exactly increase your like-ability .

Read pages 1657-1658 for a debate about that.

For the record, I don't hate Jack as a character, I only think she's out of place. I don't romance her and I'm wondering about TIM's sanity recommending her for Shepard's mission. 

[Collider]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...
Everyone wonders why they're favorite character is hated. I think it mostly boils down to differences in taste. Of course wanting to put a control chip in someone's brain doesn't exactly increase your like-ability .

Read pages 1657-1658 for a debate about that.

For the record, I don't hate Jack as a character, I only think she's out of place. I don't romance her and I'm wondering about TIM's sanity recommending her for Shepard's mission. 

Well he's an ends to the means kind of guy. All of the things he does is proof of that. Ultimately, Jack can be useful for the suicide mission as a biotic specialist.

[Jackal904]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...
Everyone wonders why they're favorite character is hated. I think it mostly boils down to differences in taste. Of course wanting to put a control chip in someone's brain doesn't exactly increase your like-ability .

Read pages 1657-1658 for a debate about that.

For the record, I don't hate Jack as a character, I only think she's out of place. I don't romance her and I'm wondering about TIM's sanity recommending her for Shepard's mission. 

Yeah it was definitely a risk to bring Jack along. It was also a risk to spend a **** ton of money and two years to bring Shepard back from the dead to try and accomplish the impossible. Everything TIM does is risky. Plus it's nice to have the galaxy's most powerful human biotic in your squad.

[fongiel24]

Jack is a pretty desperate roll of the die. Homicidal biotic murderer that hates everything and everyone related to Cerberus is a card you probably don't want to play unless you have no other choice. A part of me wonders if TIM knows something about Jack that Shepard and maybe even Miranda don't. Cerberus obviously knows how to implant control chips in people. Maybe Jack has some sort of override?

[Ieldra]

Jackal904 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Vyndael wrote...

Oh wow. Quick to remember what he did wrong huh? Yeah, I was talking about those things Collider, Kraidy, and Jtav mentioned. I too find it strange given his position.

Kraidy, by asexual Jtav means that Asari do not require a mate to reproduce.

But they do need a mate thus they are not asexual and since there body is way too much like a female, Asari are a all female race. Lame.....

I fail to see the lameness of a race of all smoking hot blue chicks [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie].

It's not so much the asari who are lame but the way Bioware PR people wiggle around the fact that asari are not asexual (they do have sexual reproducion) but monogendered female just to avoid being seen as "promoting" lesbianism. Lame, I say.

[Collider]

I do think that the Asari are lame as a race. As individuals they are quite colorful. I just don't like the lore behind them as a race.

Modifié par Collider, 21 mai 2010 - 06:23 .

[Ieldra]

Gundar3 wrote...
Just wanna pop in and say that I support Miranda.  In my later playthroughs I realize that she is a much deeper character than I was giving her credit for.

Welcome, Gundar3.

@all:
Perhaps Casey should play ME2 a few more times. Maybe he'll appreciate Miranda more.... "simpler"...bah.

[Collider]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Gundar3 wrote...
Just wanna pop in and say that I support Miranda.  In my later playthroughs I realize that she is a much deeper character than I was giving her credit for.

Welcome, Gundar3.

@all:
Perhaps Casey should play ME2 a few more times. Maybe he'll appreciate Miranda more.... "simpler"...bah.

Considering the mistakes he's made it does really seem like he needs to play his own games more thoroughly.

[Ieldra]

staldore13 wrote...
im sorry but i just cant take miranda seriously
everytime she is on screen the camera trys damn hard to show her ass as much as possible

*Every* time? Somehow the dozens of times I've seen mostly her face and upper body must have been an illusion, then. Sure, those camera angles are annoying, but there aren't that many of them. Perhaps it's just your predilection for asses.

[Collider]

I admit some of the camera angles and animations are rather jarring. In one conversation the camera is angled like you're talking to Miranda's ass. I don't really care but I found that funny.

[fongiel24]

The only really gratuitous ass shot I remember is when Miranda asks you for help with her sister on Illium. That one was pretty bad, but Miranda does have a pretty nice caboose. If I was one of the artists that rendered her and spent hours on that ass, I might be tempted to focus the camera on my handiwork for a few shots too .

[Sand King]

Collider wrote...

I admit some of the camera angles and animations are rather jarring. In one conversation the camera is angled like you're talking to Miranda's ass. I don't really care but I found that funny.

The camera angles when talking to Miranda and Jacob are pretty shameless.

[Ieldra]

Gethforceone wrote...
Ok, IMO Jack: From a young age had been a test subject in tons of painful and immoral experiments and has trust issues because almost everyone she has met has just used her.

Miranda: Basically a clone, so I can see that pissing someone off, but other than that IMO she just whines about how she was created to be a perfect successor to her "father".

She was one in a series, meant to be replaced, possibly by Oriana, and quite probably killed. That she even lives is only because she found out before it could happen. Sure, she had a comfortable life as long as she functioned and was allowed to live, and experienced nothing nearly as extreme as Jack, but don't belittle the effect of her father's betrayal and her emotional deprivation. 

[fongiel24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

She was one in a series, meant to be replaced, possibly by Oriana, and quite probably killed. That she even lives is only because she found out before it could happen. Sure, she had a comfortable life as long as she functioned and was allowed to live, and experienced nothing nearly as extreme as Jack, but don't belittle the effect of her father's betrayal and her emotional deprivation. 

I never understood the series thing. How long has Miranda's father been at it and what is the ultimate objective? To groom the perfect heir? If so, raising a perfectly pliable clone doesn't seem like the best idea to me. If he wants someone to continue his dynasty, shouldn't he want an heir with a backbone, capable of thinking for him or herself?

[Collider]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

She was one in a series, meant to be replaced, possibly by Oriana, and quite probably killed. That she even lives is only because she found out before it could happen. Sure, she had a comfortable life as long as she functioned and was allowed to live, and experienced nothing nearly as extreme as Jack, but don't belittle the effect of her father's betrayal and her emotional deprivation. 

I never understood the series thing. How long has Miranda's father been at it and what is the ultimate objective? To groom the perfect heir? If so, raising a perfectly pliable clone doesn't seem like the best idea to me. If he wants someone to continue his dynasty, shouldn't he want an heir with a backbone, capable of thinking for him or herself?

Her father doesn't have to be smart or wise.

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

She was one in a series, meant to be replaced, possibly by Oriana, and quite probably killed. That she even lives is only because she found out before it could happen. Sure, she had a comfortable life as long as she functioned and was allowed to live, and experienced nothing nearly as extreme as Jack, but don't belittle the effect of her father's betrayal and her emotional deprivation. 

I never understood the series thing. How long has Miranda's father been at it and what is the ultimate objective? To groom the perfect heir? If so, raising a perfectly pliable clone doesn't seem like the best idea to me. If he wants someone to continue his dynasty, shouldn't he want an heir with a backbone, capable of thinking for him or herself?

I guess he got that. Only it did bite him in the behind. That's always the problem with making your successor: too pliable, and she won't be able to do what's expected of her, too independent, and she'll go her own way. Probably that's one reason why he made several versions - you can always kill the failures and continue with someone else. The only remaining problem is the limited time.

Edit:
Here's a pertinent quote from one of my favorite games:

To manipulate a man is a careful project.
Too light a hand, and he follows his own whim;
Too heavy a hand, and he will turn on you.
-- Chronicle of The Metal Age

It's probably safe to say that Miranda's father got a bit too heavy-handed.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 mai 2010 - 08:45 .

[fongiel24]

That's very true.