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[Gundar3]

Whoa, I had no idea he was creating an heir to himself. When Miranda mentioned that her father wanted a "dynasty" and created her to live twice as long and have "perfect" looks; well frankly I thought it was so that she would breed, as awkward as that sounds. I just figured her father had some type of crazy fear of death and wanted to live on through his children, most likely metaphysically.

[Ieldra]

Gundar3 wrote...
Whoa, I had no idea he was creating an heir to himself. When Miranda mentioned that her father wanted a "dynasty" and created her to live twice as long and have "perfect" looks; well frankly I thought it was so that she would breed, as awkward as that sounds. I just figured her father had some type of crazy fear of death and wanted to live on through his children, most likely metaphysically.

That would make no sense - the improved genetic template would fit, but not the education. Why challenge her to "meet impossible demands" if he only cared about her children. And remember she's not only "perfect" in appearance, she has accelerated reflexes and improved mental acuity as well, to say nothing of her biotics. And she had them all challenged.
 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 mai 2010 - 09:12 .

[Gundar3]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Gundar3 wrote...
Whoa, I had no idea he was creating an heir to himself. When Miranda mentioned that her father wanted a "dynasty" and created her to live twice as long and have "perfect" looks; well frankly I thought it was so that she would breed, as awkward as that sounds. I just figured her father had some type of crazy fear of death and wanted to live on through his children, most likely metaphysically.

That would make no sense - the improved genetic template would fit, but not the education. Why challenge her to "meet impossible demands" if he only cared about her children. And remember she's not only "perfect" in appearance, she has accelerated reflexes and improved mental acuity as well, to say nothing of her biotics. And she had them all challenged.
 

Well for education and pushing her to her limits, it could have been to attract a better suitor.  I pictured that her father wantd her to be the ultimate woman in an obviously high class society.  He wanted her to be a rennassiance woman to be abl to flow through the upper crust of things.  Basically, perfect to attract perfect.

Biotics/ brains/ beauty - everything.  It would all b a tool for him to position her where he wants her.

[fongiel24]

If Miranda's father wants perfect children, he can just genetically engineer them... like he did with Miranda. Why go through the charade of pimping out Miranda like a prize mare so some random stud can impregnate her?

[Gundar3]

Well, he wont be around forever. He needs to ensure as perfect line as possible.

[fongiel24]

Gundar3 wrote...

Well, he wont be around forever. He needs to ensure as perfect line as possible.

And he can ensure this through genetic engineering. Why should he go the extra step and risk inferior genes infecting his perfect lineage through interbreeding?

[Ieldra]

fongiel24 wrote...

Gundar3 wrote...

Well, he wont be around forever. He needs to ensure as perfect line as possible.

And he can ensure this through genetic engineering. Why should he go the extra step and risk inferior genes infecting his perfect lineage through interbreeding?

Exactly. She said she'd been made from her father's genetic template as foundation, with no mother but only a few artificial bits added here and there and the enhancements. He clearly wanted someone with as much of his own genes as possible. I only wonder why he went for a daughter, that's against the usual dynastic mindset. Maybe the ability to continue the line did come in there somehow, although his example is enough to show it can be done, and maybe done better, the artificial way.

[Gundar3]

I guess I'm not understanding you. Sure, you can genetically alter your offspring (obviously). You can probably do it with grandchildren as well before you die, but who would carry on your mission after you die unless you had someone sort of "devoted to preserving you"?

If Miranda believed that this was the purpose of her life then she would be perfect. Clearly she didnt buy into it though, it also supplies motivation to rescue her sister.

Edit: Basically he always wants some "version" of himself to always be in charge of his business... I envision him laughing madly at the top of his skyscraper or something.

Modifié par Gundar3, 21 mai 2010 - 09:50 .

[Gundar3]

Well gang, interesting discussion, but Im out for the night.

[Arijharn]

fongiel24 wrote...

Gundar3 wrote...

Well, he wont be around forever. He needs to ensure as perfect line as possible.

And he can ensure this through genetic engineering. Why should he go the extra step and risk inferior genes infecting his perfect lineage through interbreeding?

If you're a subscriber to the 'pretty son' theory in terms of reproduction, the most desirable traits are the ones that would be passed along (aka, Miranda's genetic tailoring). Obviously though, if Miranda stayed on with her father, you can bet your last credit that it'd be her father who would have the say on who Miranda shared a bed with (at least with her eventual suitor, I've got the feeling that in that environment Miranda would experiment well in advance).

Also, I can't stop romancing Miranda in my playthrough's. Help. This is like the seventh play through at least and it's been Miranda... again.

[jtav]

Morning.



I've heard a few reasons for why Lawson Sr. wanted daughters: in classical eugenics, the mother is seen as more important because they provide the womb environment, it would be easier to control the creation and keep track of future grandchildren (my personal theory), he intended them for an incestuous relationship (No. Just no). I think continuing his bloodline is important to him.



As for not romancing Miranda, try RP-ing a Shepard who isn't suited to her. My Shepards tend toward the Lawful Stupid. Not Miranda's type.

[Arijharn]

Hmm, if I were to hazard a guess on what makes Mr. X tick (Miranda's father) and you know me, I've put theories about him out in the past, I would say that he's a person that would sort of parade his (sexy) daughter Miranda around like kings of yore did in medieval Europe. He would seek alliances (aka marriages) with other massive corporations (say the Ashlands for example) via their 'heads' since they seem to be the new royal families now that the large corporations aren't just situated on Earth, but throughout the known galaxy (so imagine the wealth those behemoth's could generate) and all to amass even more wealth.

[SgtPotato]

Arijharn wrote...

Hmm, if I were to hazard a guess on what makes Mr. X tick (Miranda's father) and you know me, I've put theories about him out in the past, I would say that he's a person that would sort of parade his (sexy) daughter Miranda around like kings of yore did in medieval Europe. He would seek alliances (aka marriages) with other massive corporations (say the Ashlands for example) via their 'heads' since they seem to be the new royal families now that the large corporations aren't just situated on Earth, but throughout the known galaxy (so imagine the wealth those behemoth's could generate) and all to amass even more wealth.

Arranged marriages between corporations... That make sense.

[Arijharn]

SgtPotato wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Hmm, if I were to hazard a guess on what makes Mr. X tick (Miranda's father) and you know me, I've put theories about him out in the past, I would say that he's a person that would sort of parade his (sexy) daughter Miranda around like kings of yore did in medieval Europe. He would seek alliances (aka marriages) with other massive corporations (say the Ashlands for example) via their 'heads' since they seem to be the new royal families now that the large corporations aren't just situated on Earth, but throughout the known galaxy (so imagine the wealth those behemoth's could generate) and all to amass even more wealth.

Arranged marriages between corporations... That make sense.

Just an evolved concept of mergers that happens now, but may be a loophole to get around anti-monopoly sort of laws. Who knows!

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
Also, I can't stop romancing Miranda in my playthrough's. Help. This is like the seventh play through at least and it's been Miranda... again.

Here's the solution: play a femShep. Otherwise, it's the same for me: I can't stay away from Miranda. Tried Tali and Jack on a fast track just to see how it would go - and re-loaded before I had any chance to see their final scenes. They're just not for my Shepards, or I prefer to play Shepards suited to Miranda.

Regarding Miranda's father, both you and jtav make good points. At this time, I've nothing to add about that.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

I get tired of the accusation that all Miranda has going for her is her body. Makes me feel as if I have to apologize for liking her because I'm a woman.

Well I certainly was not interested in her at all at first glance.  It took a few conversations for me to start warming up to her.  She was very well written and excellently voice acted.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

And I apologize. Between the whole thing with Miranda being "simpler" and reminders of Hudson's various other comments, I seem to have been possessed by a rage demon. I like Miranda. A lot. I think she's fascinating and one of my favorite videogame characters of the last decade. Yes, I like her. No, I don't want to sleep with her. I just get so tired of having to defend my love for her. I'm so tired of putting up with the misogynistic crap I've heard on this forum. It's not even about the romance for me. (witness my idiosyncratic shipping). It's the character: first, last always.

I am totally right there with you.  I just get tired of the same old tired arguments, where most of them seem to indicate the person paid no attention at all to what actually was said or what happened in the game.

[jtav]

I've only romanced Miranda as a MaleShep, but then I've only played as a MaleShep once. Doing my "Shepard dumps Liara for Tali" runthrough atm. I'll get back to her romance soon enough, I'm sure.

[Valmy]

Gethforceone wrote...
You asked why some people hate her. I told you why I hated her.
I've already thought about this enough to know how I feel.
To me Miranda is just an unwarranted and unjustified jerk.

Either address the points or to me you are an unwarranted and unjustified troll.  The answer she is jerk just because I feel like it is not a debate.  It is trolling for a flamewar.

You are in the Miranda thread after all.

Modifié par Valmy, 21 mai 2010 - 01:14 .

[Valmy]

Sand King wrote...

Both Jack and Miranda appear to be "****es" a first but you cant hate them for that. You have to work to discover there true personalities.

This.

[TheSixthghoul]

What a twist, if her father was a hermaphrodite and her mother was a machine, how could one that simple?

[Sleepy Buddha]

 Hey, people. Just dropping by to say hi.

BTW, has this been posted already? Retrospective: Reflecting En Masse

It's an interview with Casey. On the second page he mentions Miranda:

"But there are people who are totally in love with Miranda. She was a simpler character I think, but a lot of people really responded to her."

It seems they've been checking up on our thread. 

Anyway, keep up keeping up.

Modifié par Sleepy Buddha, 21 mai 2010 - 02:07 .

[jtav]

Oh, we noticed. I went ballistic.

[Valmy]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...

 Hey, people. Just dropping by to say hi.

BTW, has this been posted already? Retrospective: Reflecting En Masse

It's an interview with Casey. On the second page he mentions Miranda:

"But there are people who are totally in love with Miranda. She was a simpler character I think, but a lot of people really responded to her."

It seems they've been checking up on our thread. 

Anyway, keep up keeping up.

Yeah we have been discussing it.  I hope if he has been following the discussions here he would not think she was all that simple

I intend to stay here until the 'Miranda in ME3' thread opens.

[Sleepy Buddha]

Oops, I guess you have seen it. I saw jtav's rant after posting, sorry.



@jtav: Don't mind Casey's comment too much. The fact that he mentioned her instead of the many others he could have is in itself something we should be happy about. It means she is getting a very positive response from players.