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[VampireCommando]

sledge144 wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...

Fair enough, i'm sure your be quite welcome and fit in here, but a question if i may,
when you say new to the gaming genre, do you mean that you've like never played any games before, or just new to the whole community thing?

No I do play a fair amount of games, and I am involved in a community for those games, but I've never played RPG's before.

Ahh i see, well your find your self quite welcome here, the community as a whole is awesome, but this thread, just a bit more so

[VampireCommando]

lovgreno wrote...

sledge144 wrote...

VampireCommando wrote...

Fair enough, i'm sure your be quite welcome and fit in here, but a question if i may,
when you say new to the gaming genre, do you mean that you've like never played any games before, or just new to the whole community thing?

No I do play a fair amount of games, and I am involved in a community for those games, but I've never played RPG's before.

RPGs are often more based on a complicated plot and many interesting characters. To fully enjoy a RPG I think you should give the story and different characters a little extra attention compared to other games. Take Miranda for example, there is more to her than you might think.

Couldnt of said it better my self

[jtav]

Morning.



I wish I'd stayed up a bit later. Would have explained why I'm pairing Miranda and Liara.



I don't think Miranda regrets anything she's done for Cerberus, and I think she's done some very questionable things. I like that she has that edge.

[VampireCommando]

Evening Jtav,

Are you pairing Miri and Liara because of the mission they did together or have you got some other ideas?

[TheSixthghoul]

Morning jtav, I to was wonder way... *must resist making rude valid point about blue wall and Shepard's personalty* Miranda/Liara they don't have much in common.

I don't see Miranda regretting her work, I think she doesn't talk about it because it's just work her to her, she might not a have a true joy through working.

[jtav]

They do have several very important things in common. They are fiercely intelligent. Brilliant. Both are adaptable. Miranda says herself that she can fill almost any role and Liara has transformed herself into a successful information broker. By the time of ME2, they're both rather bitter, with hints of self-loathing. I find them both complicated and want to take them apart to see how they work.



And remember what Liara says: "the true connection is mental." What attracts her are not looks but strength of will, drive, determination, and a fierce loyalty. All qualities Miranda has. More importantly, they are qualities that are intrinsic to her. Dad didn't pay for them. She can own them in a way she can't own her looks ir biotics.

[VampireCommando]

jtav wrote...

They do have several very important things in common. They are fiercely intelligent. Brilliant. Both are adaptable. Miranda says herself that she can fill almost any role and Liara has transformed herself into a successful information broker. By the time of ME2, they're both rather bitter, with hints of self-loathing. I find them both complicated and want to take them apart to see how they work.

And remember what Liara says: "the true connection is mental." What attracts her are not looks but strength of will, drive, determination, and a fierce loyalty. All qualities Miranda has. More importantly, they are qualities that are intrinsic to her. Dad didn't pay for them. She can own them in a way she can't own her looks ir biotics.

You speak the truth jtav, now that you've explained it to seems quite apparent to me that these characters have more in common than meets the eye, how i did not see this sooner i dont know, but thankyou for showing me this, this is indead quite intreasting.

[Auzden]

i bet miranda would look stunning in a wedding dress O_O

[jtav]

We're a bit slow today, so a question. Do your Shepards that romance Miranda have a specific romantic history? Mine started a romance w/ Ashley, but left her to die on Virmire. Terrifies hin that he'll have to choose between Miranda and the mission. He would have asked her nit to die in turn, had the option been offered. Almost never romance Liara when I plan on romancing Miranda.

[Ieldra]

MrNose wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

An interesting extract of the ME composer
interview :

David: With Miranda, her theme and
orchestration attempts to demonstrate her strength, but also her
vulnerable side, and a sadness that is deep inside her. 

My, I find it humorous that it seems like the devs got Miri more than Casey did.  To me, I don't hate Jack, but she's very much a quintessential "Tsundere" in my book.  She has a dark past that keeps her guarded and then she completely breaks down and opens up eventually.  Miri can be classified less easily.  She's not nice but she's quite forthcoming about herself from the beginning, and basically typifies the "badass" attitude from beginning to end, while remaining emotionally dynamic. 

Emotionally dynamic? Unlike many other characters who act either consistently (Grunt) or go through a consistent evolution of personality (Jack), Miranda's personality and character is written so that she gives different emotional responses depending on the situation.  You can't look at her at one point in the story, get a description of another moment, and accurately describe what her reaction will be.  Another emotionally dynamic character is Mordin, who also displays a wide range of emotions that aren't a mere progression.

jtav wrote...
SB, what can I say? His comments touched a
nerve. Feeds back into my fear that Miranda was created primarily to
serve as sex appeal and that aspect of her character will be dominant in
ME3.

If this happens in ME3, particularly for those of us who romanced Ash in the first game, I will be angry.  I can see the devs making you choose between the two, and placing Miri as the renegade option, which would infuriate me.

Hi everyone, I'm back but still mostly occupied for the evening (8pm here). But this deserved repeating. The composer interview made me optimistic that Miranda was not just intended to serve the sex appeal aspect and that Casey Hudson was - not for the first time - completely off with his (her?) statements. What Bioware gave their composers obviously led to David's statement above, which is near to some of the emotional vibes I get from Miranda. That is not compatible with a character who only exists for her sex appeal. 

As for choosing between Miranda and Ashley, I can see it coming, but I do not think it will be restricted by P/R points. Apart from that, choosing Miranda may be considered more Renegade than Paragon, but why would I mind? It can be argued that compared to Ashley, Miranda does indeed have more Renegade aspects - if you stress what she'd done for Cerberus and Ashley's "straight arrow" morality.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 mai 2010 - 06:12 .

[VampireCommando]

jtav wrote...

We're a bit slow today, so a question. Do your Shepards that romance Miranda have a specific romantic history? Mine started a romance w/ Ashley, but left her to die on Virmire. Terrifies hin that he'll have to choose between Miranda and the mission. He would have asked her nit to die in turn, had the option been offered. Almost never romance Liara when I plan on romancing Miranda.

Hmmm, now this is a good one;
My Sheps romantic history started with Ash, he really, really liked her, hell he loved her, but with what happened at the start of ME2 -Shep dying and all- on of the first things he realised was he needed to somehow contact Ash, after finding out it had been two years Shep was even more desprate, he even asked TIM and Anderson how to contact her but to no avail. Then when he finally meet up with her on horizen she tore his heart out, after horizen and what happened Shep hit a small spiral of depression, but his Best friends joker and Garrus were there to help him get through the rough patch, Then there was Miranda, she seemed to apear when my Shep needed her the most, he found out whilst helping Miri through her own personal issuses and helping her realise that she was more than just a mere tool, she was a person, and a person with feelings at that, Eventully they fell in love, Miri being everything my Shep ever dreamed of in a woman and Miri likeing Shep from when they started getting to know each other properly, now there plans are to sttay together through thick and thin but until they defeat the reapers, -or die trying- they are trying not to plan to far ahead, even if Miri moved into the captins cabin with him.

And thats that i belive

[jtav]

Ieldra, you're back!

[VampireCommando]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hi everyone, I'm back but still mostly occupied for the evening (8pm here). But this deserved repeating. The composer interview made me optimistic that Miranda was not just intended to serve the sex appeal aspect and that Casey Hudson was - not for the first time - completely off with his (her?) statements. What Bioware gave their composers obviously led to David's statement above, which is near to some of the emotional vibes I get from Miranda. That is not compatible with a character who only exists for her sex appeal. 

As for choosing between Miranda and Ashley, I can see it coming, but I do not think it will be restricted by P/R points. Apart from that, choosing Miranda may be considered more Renegade than Paragon, but why would I mind? It can be argued that compared to Ashley, Miranda does indeed have more Renegade aspects - if you stress what she'd done for Cerberus and Ashley's "straight arrow" morality.

An inreasting point, i can see where your coming from with Miri's past being more renegade than Ashelys and as you said Ash is pritty much a straight arrow in terms of her morals, however when it comes down to it i think if you have to pick between them i imagine they will both be in the middle of the conversation wheel on opposite sides to show a kind of none bias way of resolving it.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
We're a bit slow today, so a question. Do your Shepards that romance Miranda have a specific romantic history?

Here's my version:

My main Shepard started as an Infiltrator. You would not know if you heard him speak, but his thought processes are complex. Convoluted even, some would say. His training on the academy included military intelligence and a good deal of politics, and under slightly different circumstance, he'd have ended up in one of Alliance's intelligence services. When he fell in love with a "straight arrow" like Ashley, he was surprised, because they were so dissimilar. But love, he thought, could overcome these differences. He was prepared to make the hard decision on Virmire but didn't have to, since Ashley and Liara were his core squad and Kaidan as tech specialist most fitting for task required at Saren's base. So the battle of the Citadel ended with their relationship intact.

Being revived, at first, did not change his perpective. He looked forward to meeting Ashley again. But when that happened on Horizon, and she accused him of being a traitor, he recognized they'd not known each other as well as it had seemed, and that he's been wrong about love being able to overcome all differences. This did not come as as big a surprise as it could have been, because by then he had met Miranda, and experienced the immediate rapport between them when they worked together. Professionally they fit each other like parts of a well-constructed machine, with the role of each different according to their strengths but complementing the other perfectly. The mutual respect from working together soon grew into an emotional connection, and after Miranda's loyalty mission, where Shepard came to know Miranda's vulnerable sides, he had to admit that he had been wrong all his life in one thing: that mythical person who complemented you perfectly did sometimes really exist. Looking at Miranda, considering what he knew of her, how much of a challenge this woman presented to him, how high her expectations were, in everything, how difficult she could prove to be, he came to one conclusion: She's worth it.

[Ieldra]

Auzden wrote...
i bet miranda would look stunning in a wedding dress O_O

I have to say I would not like to see Miranda in a wedding dress. I'm one of those who'd prefer Miranda's and Shepard's future life to not be circumscribed by traditional symbolism. I think the symbolism constrains where I'd like their life to symbolize advancement.

[VampireCommando]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Auzden wrote...
i bet miranda would look stunning in a wedding dress O_O

I have to say I would not like to see Miranda in a wedding dress. I'm one of those who'd prefer Miranda's and Shepard's future life to not be circumscribed by traditional symbolism. I think the symbolism constrains where I'd like their life to symbolize advancement.

I agree with you on that one, but on thinking about it i cant really see Miri as the wedding type, thinking about it, its hard picturing in a wedding dress.

[jtav]

I rather like the traditional symbolism, but I don't think such things are very important to Miranda. She'd only get married if there was some overwhelming practical reason to do so. Otherwise...She loves him. He loves her. They plan on raising a child together eventually. What's the point of saying a few words and signing a piece of paper?

[VampireCommando]

^^ That does seem to fit Miri's character perfectly how you put it.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
But if she is presented as the "bad girl" fling who lured you away from Ash/Liara, well my reaction won't be pretty.

I think they already spoiled that impression in ME2. Your stereotypical "bad girl" doesn't care as much as Miranda, for instance about her sister, and she's usually more manipulative. I don't doubt Miranda can be manipulative if she wants, but she comes across as authentic in her scenes. I'd be very surprised if they re-interpreted all this as fake.

Edit:
I agree with your assessment of Miranda's opinion of traditional marriage symbolism.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 mai 2010 - 07:59 .

[jtav]

I've been reading over a partial Redemption script, and it's struck me again that Miranda does have a sense of humor. It's black, dry, and often at others' expense. One of the very few things we have in common.

[TheSixthghoul]

jtav wrote...

We're a bit slow today, so a question. Do your Shepards that romance Miranda have a specific romantic history? Mine started a romance w/ Ashley, but left her to die on Virmire. Terrifies hin that he'll have to choose between Miranda and the mission. He would have asked her nit to die in turn, had the option been offered. Almost never romance Liara when I plan on romancing Miranda.

Is suppose, it's my turn then,all right. My Shepard all so "romanced" Ashley(, I might say I corrected this mistake by jumping into a hot tub time machine).To start off, My Shepard's name is Nieodemus which is Greek for The Conqueror for the People, he is a spacer, War Hero,Bioitic renegade. He was raised with as an elitist beleaving anyone under 2nd Lieutenant was cannon fodder, offen he'd look down on those of lower ranking Ash was no exception. When he first meet Ash they did not get a long, feeling Ash was nothing more then deserter and coward. Over time they they became good friends...well atleast he thought so.After that one night stand, he assumed they where just friend's with benefit. He said to himself "after a month it will all blow over, as long as it remains just  se- then Mass Effect 2 starts. All put part two up shortly.

[kraidy1117]

I am calmed a little now and the thing is I look at it this way. This is Casey hudson. This is the same guy who said Asari are asexual, and it's well known he is a Jack fan. Not to mention he had the gall to say everyone loved scanning. I was fumed up when he first said it but now, not so much. As I have said, we know Miri is not simple, we know she was not made for just sex and that I think alot of us got some meaningful out of her romance and not just for dat ass.

[VampireCommando]

Sixth Goul wrote...

jtav wrote...

We're a bit slow today, so a question. Do your Shepards that romance Miranda have a specific romantic history? Mine started a romance w/ Ashley, but left her to die on Virmire. Terrifies hin that he'll have to choose between Miranda and the mission. He would have asked her nit to die in turn, had the option been offered. Almost never romance Liara when I plan on romancing Miranda.

Is suppose, it's my turn then,all right. My Shepard all so "romanced" Ashley(, I might say I corrected this mistake by jumping into a hot tub time machine).To start off, My Shepard's name is Nieodemus which is Greek for The Conqueror for the People, he is a spacer, War Hero,Bioitic renegade. He was raised with as an elitist beleaving anyone under 2nd Lieutenant was cannon fodder, offen he'd look down on those of lower ranking Ash was no exception. When he first meet Ash they did not get a long, feeling Ash was nothing more then deserter and coward. Over time they they became good friends...well atleast he thought so.After that one night stand, he assumed they where just friend's with benefit. He said to himself "after a month it will all blow over, as long as it remains just  se- then Mass Effect 2 starts. All put part two up shortly.

Made for a intreasting read Goul, i like it how when your shep first meet Ash he thought she was a deserter and a coward.

Kraidy i think you speak for most people in this thread when you say that aswel.

[TheSixthghoul]

Sixth Goul wrote...

jtav wrote...

We're a bit slow today, so a question. Do your Shepards that romance Miranda have a specific romantic history? Mine started a romance w/ Ashley, but left her to die on Virmire. Terrifies hin that he'll have to choose between Miranda and the mission. He would have asked her nit to die in turn, had the option been offered. Almost never romance Liara when I plan on romancing Miranda.

Is suppose, it's my turn then,all right. My Shepard all so "romanced" Ashley(, I might say I corrected this mistake by jumping into a hot tub time machine).To start off, My Shepard's name is Nieodemus which is Greek for The Conqueror for the People, he is a spacer, War Hero,Bioitic renegade. He was raised with as an elitist beleaving anyone under 2nd Lieutenant was cannon fodder, offen he'd look down on those of lower ranking Ash was no exception. When he first meet Ash they did not get a long, feeling Ash was nothing more then deserter and coward. Over time they they became good friends...well atleast he thought so.After that one night stand, he assumed they where just friend's with benefit. He said to himself "after a month it will all blow over, as long as it remains just  se- then Mass Effect 2 starts. All put part two up shortly.

Was anyone surprized that Bioware did this whole two year death angle? Anyways, part two

He wasn't sure if it Miranda or the smell that Wilson was giving off,whatever it was made his blood rush. Something inside him wanted to kill Jacob right there, and use him and Wilson as a makeshift mattress and take Miranda right there on spot.Yet, it was ruined by Jacob foolery, he sure knows how to keep himself alive. After, Shepard comfirmed his... partnership with TIM and Cerberus he was about to embrake on his first mission in two years,now was the perfect time to captivate Miranda under his sway.To his suprise he was shot down before he could even get started. This was new to him, he always got what he wanted,he was now wandering if he's getting old, he looks into a mirror and sees his scarred face, crows feet around his eyes,and what appears to be... a gray hair!

A few day's later after getting Mordin, Shepard's face is back to normal,now fully confident,he's speck to Miranda once more.It was strange, when Miranda spook, something compiled him to listen some about her fathers expectations remained him of his own family, not to say he was forced to do anything,but the expectation of him to join the Alliance was always there.After they where done,a few day's had past he finds himself off hand thinking about her inside his room,not in a sexual manner more of an admiration some he could care for, someone he can respect as an equal.

Sometime later, he meet Ash on Horizon,a person he would have wished to avoid.It went well at first, they shared a friendly hug to. Then she dropped the "L" word. He thought to himself 'huh?"though we we're friends with benefits not dating, (damn developers) "I didn't sign on for hot tub time machine me, out of this." Okay write the final parts later today not much left.