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[MrNose]

Ieldra2 wrote...
As for choosing between Miranda and Ashley, I can see it coming, but I do not think it will be restricted by P/R points. Apart from that, choosing Miranda may be considered more Renegade than Paragon, but why would I mind? It can be argued that compared to Ashley, Miranda does indeed have more Renegade aspects - if you stress what she'd done for Cerberus and Ashley's "straight arrow" morality.

I would mind because of the general effect that being a paragade has on gameplay.  I'm not a fan of losing loyalty and the like.

[VampireCommando]

Sixth Goul wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

jtav wrote...

We're a bit slow today, so a question. Do your Shepards that romance Miranda have a specific romantic history? Mine started a romance w/ Ashley, but left her to die on Virmire. Terrifies hin that he'll have to choose between Miranda and the mission. He would have asked her nit to die in turn, had the option been offered. Almost never romance Liara when I plan on romancing Miranda.

Is suppose, it's my turn then,all right. My Shepard all so "romanced" Ashley(, I might say I corrected this mistake by jumping into a hot tub time machine).To start off, My Shepard's name is Nieodemus which is Greek for The Conqueror for the People, he is a spacer, War Hero,Bioitic renegade. He was raised with as an elitist beleaving anyone under 2nd Lieutenant was cannon fodder, offen he'd look down on those of lower ranking Ash was no exception. When he first meet Ash they did not get a long, feeling Ash was nothing more then deserter and coward. Over time they they became good friends...well atleast he thought so.After that one night stand, he assumed they where just friend's with benefit. He said to himself "after a month it will all blow over, as long as it remains just  se- then Mass Effect 2 starts. All put part two up shortly.

Was anyone surprized that Bioware did this whole two year death angle? Anyways, part two

He wasn't sure if it Miranda or the smell that Wilson was giving off,whatever it was made his blood rush. Something inside him wanted to kill Jacob right there, and use him and Wilson as a makeshift mattress and take Miranda right there on spot.Yet, it was ruined by Jacob foolery, he sure knows how to keep himself alive. After, Shepard comfirmed his... partnership with TIM and Cerberus he was about to embrake on his first mission in two years,now was the perfect time to captivate Miranda under his sway.To his suprise he was shot down before he could even get started. This was new to him, he always got what he wanted,he was now wandering if he's getting old, he looks into a mirror and sees his scarred face, crows feet around his eyes,and what appears to be... a gray hair!

A few day's later after getting Mordin, Shepard's face is back to normal,now fully confident,he's speck to Miranda once more.It was strange, when Miranda spook, something compiled him to listen some about her fathers expectations remained him of his own family, not to say he was forced to do anything,but the expectation of him to join the Alliance was always there.After they where done,a few day's had past he finds himself off hand thinking about her inside his room,not in a sexual manner more of an admiration some he could care for, someone he can respect as an equal.

Sometime later, he meet Ash on Horizon,a person he would have wished to avoid.It went well at first, they shared a friendly hug to. Then she dropped the "L" word. He thought to himself 'huh?"though we we're friends with benefits not dating, (damn developers) "I didn't sign on for hot tub time machine me, out of this." Okay write the final parts later today not much left.

Aha brilliant, i'm enjoying this read Ghoul, keep up the good work.

[jtav]

I wish I could find some good Miranda fanfic. Most of what I'm finding is very generic romance, with Shepard holding most of the cards in the relationship and neither of them able to keep their hands off each other for five minutes. Though I did read an excellent Miranda/Jacob a few weeks back.

[VampireCommando]

jtav wrote...

I wish I could find some good Miranda fanfic. Most of what I'm finding is very generic romance, with Shepard holding most of the cards in the relationship and neither of them able to keep their hands off each other for five minutes. Though I did read an excellent Miranda/Jacob a few weeks back.

I to find them hard to read as i cant really see Miri letting shepard wear the trousers all the time in the relationship, as shes a strong a character as shep, and its also hard to think of them being like horny teenagers wating each other all the time. None of this is what Miri's character is so it does make them a bit Meh like you said.

[DarkSeraphym]

jtav wrote...

I wish I could find some good Miranda fanfic. Most of what I'm finding is very generic romance, with Shepard holding most of the cards in the relationship and neither of them able to keep their hands off each other for five minutes. Though I did read an excellent Miranda/Jacob a few weeks back.

I don't think you are going to find much I am afraid. My experience with fanfic, not to offend anyone who actually writes it, is that there are two forms of it: A. those who change a character and B. those who change a character's canon. A seems to be very popular with fans because it allows them to take a character that they really enjoy and rewrite them to make them more enjoyable for other people within the bounds of their story. For example, I am a big Harry Potter fan and you can imagine just how much HP fanfic there is around. One of them I can remember that I read several years ago involved Voldemort changing his mind about killing Harry Potter as he comes to a realization he no longer wants to kill and instead falls into some sort of obsessive love with him. This is an example of a fanfic that completely rewrites the character itself to better fit the story the writer is trying to tell. In these fanfics the characters are usually based upon the story itself.

From what I can tell jtav, you appear to write fanfic moreso like that of B. You keep Miranda within the bounds that BioWare more or less wrote her, granted with your perspective of her character, and then maybe changed somethings about her actual canon to change your story a little bit. Regardless of that fact, you still keep Miranda as Miranda within a different Mass Effect canon. These fanfics more or less keep the story based upon the characters, which I find more enjoyable to read. From my experiences, this fanfic appears to be more rare and a great deal harder to find.

As for your earlier question with our Shepard's romance history, my Shepard has none. My Shepard is an Earthborn and Ruthless, satisfied only with his accomplishment in getting the job done no matter what the cost. Commander Shepard thinks that humans have been prejudiced and been shoved aside by the Council races for too long and if they really want a reason to fear humanity, he will give to him. He thinks Ashley Williams is a valuable asset to the team in Mass Effect 1, but Shepard feels no real attachment to her beyond her role in the team as a soldier. Her morals are far too straight and her opinion on nearly everything seems like it is taken right out of the Alliance rulebook, things that my Shepard can not stand.

In Mass Effect 2, Shepard takes an interest in Miranda for her similarities in a great deal of his ideas. She understands the importance of the mission and understands what is at stake if the Reapers are allowed to win the coming war. He doesn't necessarily trust Cerberus but also understands that the human council and the Alliance wish to bury their heads in the sand and as such is willing to work with them. Unlike Jack, who seems to only be driven by her need to act like a "badass", and Tali, who seems to only care about making the Geth suffer for removing her people from their home world, Miranda seems to have a real grasp of how important the mission against the Collector's and eventually the Reapers really is. After helping her save her sister on Illium, he speaks with her to get to know her a little bit better out of his interest in her and comes to realize that she is moreso the woman for him than any other he has had on his team and comes to love her.

Personally, I think my Shepard is a little more boring then some of the ones you guys have posted since mine seems to be based upon the idea of how BioWare wants to represent a renegade Shepard. Some of yours seem to be a little more interesting.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 24 mai 2010 - 12:45 .

[jtav]

DarkSeraphym, I'm sitting here laughing because I was active in HP for years, and Harry/Tom was my first major ship. There was some good stuff, but most of it did leave mean wanting to shake the author. The difference is that HP is so much bigger so that even if 90% is crap, the 10% is still hundreds of stories. But adjusting to being a fan of an unpopular character (in fanfic terms) in a small fandom is hard.



But yes, I am picky about my characterization of Miranda. Even if, as you said, I add elements Bioware never intended. I do try to make sure my additions are consistent with canon. If she isn't IC, there's no point.

[DarkSeraphym]

jtav wrote...

DarkSeraphym, I'm sitting here laughing because I was active in HP for years, and Harry/Tom was my first major ship. There was some good stuff, but most of it did leave mean wanting to shake the author. The difference is that HP is so much bigger so that even if 90% is crap, the 10% is still hundreds of stories. But adjusting to being a fan of an unpopular character (in fanfic terms) in a small fandom is hard.

But yes, I am picky about my characterization of Miranda. Even if, as you said, I add elements Bioware never intended. I do try to make sure my additions are consistent with canon. If she isn't IC, there's no point.

Keep in mind, Mass Effect and Harry Potter are also different in another aspect: Mass Effect is very open and is intended to be established on the premise that the player can shape the story however he/she really wants to. Harry Potter is more or less a little more plain, Rowling sets out creating characters and intends to leave the characters as such regardless of how some of the readers want the story or the characters themselves to be shaped. Since this is true, you have plenty of room to add elements to the character of Miranda that BioWare did not necessarily add themselves. As you said, at least your characterizations of Miranda are at least within the canon of the character herself. Although some of your fanfics change the story a bit in ways that stretch how far BioWare would have taken her character, you have not changed Miranda to the point that it is no longer Miranda anymore.

Consider this perspective on your fanfic a compliment. I am one of the most stubborn readers out there when it comes to my fanfiction. Even if Form A is written in a way that actually makes it good, I will not like it because I cannot stand any kind of fanfiction that strays too far away from the way the original writer construed one of their characters. This is probably why my Shepard's romance history is a little more boring and less inventive than some of the others posted here. In Mass Effect, I find myself siding with the Renegade option 99.9% of the time and as such, most of mine have almost no Paragon points outside of just trying the loyalty of my team. BioWare seems to interpret a "true" Renegade Shepard as Earthborn, Ruthless, and very racist/pro-human dominance and since I think they interpret it that way, I try to stay within the bounds of how BioWare wrote that kind of character.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 24 mai 2010 - 01:01 .

[jtav]

I don't care very much what Bioware intended. I was a lit major, and I'm still a good little New Critic. The author is dead. All I care about is whether an author can make their story work, given what's actually presented in canon. Unfortunately, most writers seem to want to do poor imitations of romance novels. Bad romance novels.

[DarkSeraphym]

jtav wrote...

I don't care very much what Bioware intended. I was a lit major, and I'm still a good little New Critic. The author is dead. All I care about is whether an author can make their story work, given what's actually presented in canon. Unfortunately, most writers seem to want to do poor imitations of romance novels. Bad romance novels.

Perhaps I chose a poor choice of words, which I do apologize for. What I had meant by the authors intention is how the canon is actually presented. For me, if an author intended something else they would have simply changed the canon when writing it.For example, if Rowling had intended for Voldemort to be a good guy who would recognize the error of his ways in the way that one fanfic writer had made him out to be, she would have put it into the HP canon. However,  I am not a literature major, I am a law major so I am of the opinion that most of the author's intentions are probably within how they designed the canon of the story. This was a poor choice of words since the two are not actually equal at all. Really, not only are such writers completely writing poor romance novels in their fanfic, but they are also completely misrepresenting Miranda as a character. The ironic thing is that I think of Miranda herself was able to read some of those fanfics, she'd attempt to murder some of these writers. I mean how many of us in this thread can read the fanfics that are designed this way and be able to actually visualize it taking place in the Mass Effect canon? -shudders at the thought of it-

As I said, I likely had a poor choice in words. Perhaps it is because I am studying law, but I am advocate of putting all of my intentions as a writer into anything that I write. For example, I feel that of the founding fathers had done a better job of putting into the Second Amendment their intentions behind what they meant with "the right to keep and bear arms", there would not be as much debate over it. I forgot that in literature an author does not necessarily keep all of their intentions within the canon itself.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 24 mai 2010 - 01:38 .

[MrNose]

jtav wrote...
I don't care very much what Bioware intended. I was a lit major, and I'm still a good little New Critic. The author is dead.

I wouldn't want to see what would happen if you ran into Margaret Attwood in a dark alley!

[jtav]

What's really annoying is how weak and silly she is in these stories. All she thinks about is Shepard and having sex with him. She isn't permitted her competence or her sense of mission. That I can't forgive. I know some people raise eyebrows at my pairing choices, but at least I'm writing Thane and Liara with Miranda, not some idiot who looks just like her.

[DarkSeraphym]

jtav wrote...

What's really annoying is how weak and silly she is in these stories. All she thinks about is Shepard and having sex with him. She isn't permitted her competence or her sense of mission. That I can't forgive. I know some people raise eyebrows at my pairing choices, but at least I'm writing Thane and Liara with Miranda, not some idiot who looks just like her.

Personally, I can't tell if that is because the writers themselves are just inept at writing good material or if that is because they perceive Miranda to actually be that way. I am certian jtav that you have seen how many other Mass Effect fans perceive Miranda, usually they think is nothing more than a "marketable" sort of character who is based on nothing more than sex appeal. Kind of like some of those attractive women you see on G4 that a lot of gamers think are only on there because they are attractive and not because they actually play video games.

Regardless, at least you aren't that shallow of a fan of the series. It seems to be a rare quality these days.

[Nightvision91]

Well I have recently begun a third play through with the intent of keeping Ash as my LI. Sadly yet again Miranda won my Shepard over.

[TheSixthghoul]

You have to remember, the people who makes these fan fictions, project themselves threw a character. For now, its Mass Effect and that's Shepard, to them Shepard is an unstoppable love machine that every woman wants to have his child. To them, Miranda is no exception she'll go gaga, like rest, devoid of any personality just a another yes girl "are my legs spread wide enough, mister fan fiction writer?"

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 24 mai 2010 - 02:02 .

[jtav]

And it makes me a little sick, Sixth Goul.



Speaking of fanfic, I got my paws on a partial Redemption script. Going to have to take some liberties, but nothing horrible. Hope my big AU element works. (Liara shares some of her memories of Shep via mind meld in attempt to help Miranda reconstruct him/force someone at Cerberus to see him as a a person. Unfortunately, her control slips and she gets a peek at Miranda's memories)

[Andaius20]

Look at what I found!

[kraidy1117]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

Nightvision91 wrote...

Well I have recently begun a third play through with the intent of keeping Ash as my LI. Sadly yet again Miranda won my Shepard over.

The Ash supporter in me is saddened:crying:.
But The Miri supporter in me says YAAAAAAY:wizard:

Miri is better

[kraidy1117]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Da Shadow Master wrote...

Nightvision91 wrote...

Well I have recently begun a third play through with the intent of keeping Ash as my LI. Sadly yet again Miranda won my Shepard over.

The Ash supporter in me is saddened:crying:.
But The Miri supporter in me says YAAAAAAY:wizard:

Miri is better

I can't like them equally?:(But they're both great^_^

NO YOU CAN'T, Miri or GTFO

[kraidy1117]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...


NO YOU CAN'T, Miri or GTFO

I..............you're mean *runs away crying*

Yup, I am a big meanie

[kraidy1117]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Da Shadow Master wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...


NO YOU CAN'T, Miri or GTFO

I..............you're mean *runs away crying*

Yup, I am a big meanie

How can you do this to a fellow Canuck?

Um um um because I can?

[Caihn]

I plan to play ME1 again, but this time I won't have romance. So there will be Miri, and only Miri in ME2 (and ME3 of course).