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[Errol Dnamyx]

It helps to resist her if you never go to her office and talk to her. Thats how I managed to finish one playthrough in which Shepard stayed away from any temptations and will have a clear conscience when he finally sees Ash again.



Otherwise...

[jtav]

It helps, I think, that most of my favorite Miranda moments aren't romance exclusive. So, I don't feel like I miss that much. Of course, I may eat those words when my current Shep makes it to ME2.

[VampireCommando]

I think Miri will make you Shep eat those words lol.

[jtav]

I'll take that as a personal challenge, then. No Miranda romance for me. I should mention that I wouldn't wish this Shep on Miranda or anyone. Always looking for a princess he can rescue and who worships the ground his LI walks on--as long as he can perceive her as perfect. Brr.

[VampireCommando]

Good luck with that Jtav, Btw the shep you mentioned sounds like a bit of a sissy, if you dont mind me saying. Good luck to however can put up with him lol.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Morning.

Morning, jtav.

Ieldra, I begged someone to type up all of Miranda's dialogue in Redemption (turns out she's a competent pilot, on top of her other skills). It's not the focus on romance that I object to, but that it's so badly done and Miranda always seems to lose her personality. Especially bad since it's possible to have your cake and eat it too. Sex that reveals character? Whoever heard of that?

Ah...I didn't even know she was in Redemption. I decided to wait until the complete edition comes out.

About romance fanfic: yes, I understand, you can read my last post as having stressed "cheap romance". It's only that there seem so few good romance stories out there, made professionally or not, that I occasionally slam the whole genre. I'm mostly attracted to stories that don't use the genre tropes but are still deeply romantic, for instance Cecilia Dart-Thornton's "Bitterbynde" or various books by Tanith Lee. Of whose characters, I might add, Miranda sometimes reminds me. I wonder if anyone else catches those vibes - a sort of melancholy, a feeling of being a foreigner in the world expressed by those characters - in Miranda. Perhaps some of you have read these books and recall, among others, Astaris from "The Storm Lord" or Karrakaz from the Birthgrave trilogy...

Am I the only one who can successfully resist Miranda in
playthroughs?

Probably not, but I think it's a safe bet you're in a minority among the Miranda fans. But I wouldn't mind....it underlines your flexibility, and majorities are overrated anyway.

And now back to my game - I've started one where I'm hacking the game to recruit Legion early and take them with me to various places.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'll take that as a personal challenge, then. No Miranda romance for me. I should mention that I wouldn't wish this Shep on Miranda or anyone. Always looking for a princess he can rescue and who worships the ground his LI walks on--as long as he can perceive her as perfect. Brr.

So...who will be his princess in this game? Tali? Two of the criteria fulfilled. It remains to be seen if your Shepard has the selective perception to overlook her imperfections.

As for Miranda, she would give him a metaphorical kick to his most vulnerable parts.

[jtav]

Tali indeed, and Liara before that. Didn't take Liara's new personality well at all. He despises Miranda (and the rest of the crew besides Tali, Garrus, Samara, and Legion). Feeling's mutual. I find it very easy to create Shepards who are jerks.

[jtav]

I do very much get that sense of melancholy. I think she would very much like someone (friend or lover) to whom she is important for a reason beyond her abilities and who she can feel emotionally safe with. Niket was supposed to be that, but he betrayed her. I think she also saw potential in Jacob, but he disappointed her. She's largely given up on finding that confidant.

[VampireCommando]

jtav wrote...

I do very much get that sense of melancholy. I think she would very much like someone (friend or lover) to whom she is important for a reason beyond her abilities and who she can feel emotionally safe with. Niket was supposed to be that, but he betrayed her. I think she also saw potential in Jacob, but he disappointed her. She's largely given up on finding that confidant.

Untill she meet Shepard

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I do very much get that sense of melancholy. I think she would very much like someone (friend or lover) to whom she is important for a reason beyond her abilities and who she can feel emotionally safe with. Niket was supposed to be that, but he betrayed her. I think she also saw potential in Jacob, but he disappointed her. She's largely given up on finding that confidant.

The interesting thing is, after their coming back from the dead, my Shepards tend to have that melancholy as well. My main Shepard has it in full. This is one of the things that draw him and Miranda to each other.

[jtav]

I wish we could express that melancholy more, and that my Shep's vulnerable side didn't exist entirely in my head. Shepard might come alive for me then, and I'd seen him as a fit match for Miranda. There were so many times I wanted to say something, bu the game didn't give me the option.

[VampireCommando]

It would be intreating to see shep show a more vunrable side, but i think if its gonna happen BW will do it in ME3, to a degree at least.

[MrNose]

jtav wrote...

I wish we could express that melancholy more, and that my Shep's vulnerable side didn't exist entirely in my head. Shepard might come alive for me then, and I'd seen him as a fit match for Miranda. There were so many times I wanted to say something, bu the game didn't give me the option.

That's funny.  Most of my Shepards have issues, but I wouldn't say that any of them have melancholy.  My main Shep is prone to extremism (both Paragon and Renegade) in order to deal with his Sole Survivor past and now his death, my main FemShep is a Paragon infiltrator obsessed with doing the right thing to make up for her assassinations, and I just started a paragade adept Shepard who I see as having chronic pain from L2 implants and some anger issues that clash with what is normally a "charming" exterior.

[Ieldra]

MrNose wrote...

jtav wrote...

I wish we could express that melancholy more, and that my Shep's vulnerable side didn't exist entirely in my head. Shepard might come alive for me then, and I'd seen him as a fit match for Miranda. There were so many times I wanted to say something, bu the game didn't give me the option.

That's funny.  Most of my Shepards have issues, but I wouldn't say that any of them have melancholy.  My main Shep is prone to extremism (both Paragon and Renegade) in order to deal with his Sole Survivor past and now his death, my main FemShep is a Paragon infiltrator obsessed with doing the right thing to make up for her assassinations, and I just started a paragade adept Shepard who I see as having chronic pain from L2 implants and some anger issues that clash with what is normally a "charming" exterior.

Well....that shows we can put some imagination into our Shepards, in spite of the heavy-handed way the game sometimes presents him. But I wish, for instance, I had the option of making him say something more thoughtful after taking a Renegade interrupt - I try to play my Renegade decisions (at least the deadly ones) as giving in to an unpleasant necessity rather than doing what the mission demands without looking back. If only the game would let me express that more. Doing it all in my mind works, but ignoring Shepard's occasionally callous remarks is work. Having him say something like "Why must it always come to this" at least once or twice would be nice.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 mai 2010 - 02:48 .

[MrNose]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MrNose wrote...

jtav wrote...

I wish we could express that melancholy more, and that my Shep's vulnerable side didn't exist entirely in my head. Shepard might come alive for me then, and I'd seen him as a fit match for Miranda. There were so many times I wanted to say something, bu the game didn't give me the option.

That's funny.  Most of my Shepards have issues, but I wouldn't say that any of them have melancholy.  My main Shep is prone to extremism (both Paragon and Renegade) in order to deal with his Sole Survivor past and now his death, my main FemShep is a Paragon infiltrator obsessed with doing the right thing to make up for her assassinations, and I just started a paragade adept Shepard who I see as having chronic pain from L2 implants and some anger issues that clash with what is normally a "charming" exterior.

Well....that shows we can put some imagination into our Shepards, in spite of the heavy-handed way the game sometimes presents him. But I wish, for instance, I had the option of making him say something more thoughtful after taking a Renegade interrupt - I try to play my Renegade decisions (at least the deadly ones) as giving in to an unpleasant necessity rather than doing what the mission demands without looking back. If only the game would let me express that more. Doing it all in my mind works, but ignoring Shepard's occasionally callous remarks is work. Having him say something like "Why must it always come to this" at least once or twice would be nice.

I feel like there's a bit of inefficiency as far as BioWare's dialogue creation goes.  They have a massive amount, over 25 hours of dialogue is in ME2, but I sometimes think that they put some of their efforts in less than optimal places.  For instance, did we really need four clips of Elcor Hamlet in the Citadel's advertisements?  Yes it was hilarious, but I would rather one clips of elcor Shakespeare and more dialogue for main characters.

Modifié par MrNose, 24 mai 2010 - 04:26 .

[jtav]

Like, say, more romance dialogue with Miranda? Her actual romance is quite short, only one additional conversation and a few additional lines in others. There's so much I wanted to say to her but couldn't.

[VampireCommando]

jtav wrote...

Like, say, more romance dialogue with Miranda? Her actual romance is quite short, only one additional conversation and a few additional lines in others. There's so much I wanted to say to her but couldn't.

Yeah i know what you mean, there was so much more i wanted to say/ talk about but i couldnt, seems BW has limted the experiance on this one.

[Valmy]

Well they had 9, well more actually if you count Samara/Morinth/Kelly, romance options. How much could they really develop each one?

[jtav]

VampireCommando wrote...

jtav wrote...

Like, say, more romance dialogue with Miranda? Her actual romance is quite short, only one additional conversation and a few additional lines in others. There's so much I wanted to say to her but couldn't.

Yeah i know what you mean, there was so much more i wanted to say/ talk about but i couldnt, seems BW has limted the experiance on this one.

They really have. Makes me long for KOTOR and BG. I miss being able to talk to my party about everything under the sun. The ME series (both games) suffers in comparison. It's one of the reasons I can resist Miranda so easily. There's not that much for me to miss. Which I don't mind because that means she gets her character development regardles of romance.

The other reason is that Miranda is not the character who makes me go That would be Kaidan and Thane. My reaction to Miranda was more Much easier to talk about her. I feel like my IQ goes down forty points when I try to post in the Thane thread.

[VampireCommando]

Lmao the thane thread comment made me lol and i know what you meant, KOTOR and BG really did set the bench mark in that aspect

[jtav]

Well, it's true. Ask me for an intelligent thought about Thane, and you'll get giggling. My love for Miranda is more cerebral and seems to involve me conceiving of fresh ways to torture her and pairing her with half the cast.

[Valmy]

Ok that Mr. Darcy for ME3 sig is awesome.

[VampireCommando]

Okay Jtav give me an inteligent thought about Thane.

[Errol Dnamyx]

I heard you wanted to know about Thane?