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[Captain Iglo]

I think we're to much offtpoic...this isnt really about Miranda anymore

[Markinator_123]

Captain Iglo wrote...

I think we're to much offtpoic...this isnt really about Miranda anymore

Yeah lets take our mind off of the upcoming abomination and focus on the lovely Ms. Lawson shall we

[TheSixthghoul]

In the end where going to have hope for the best. But, lets hope that at least Platinum Dune has nothing to do with this film. The film is largely going to depend if its cgi or live action. I'd hate to see Flavor Flav play as Anderson, or Shepard played by Christian Bale, or Udina played by Robert Williams.As for attracting new fans don't forget most people who watch movies will have no idea what Mass Effect is or 360.

[Valmy]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Your optimism in Bioware is commendable but it doesn't change the fact that this movie is going to suck. Mass Effect has too much story for it to be placed into a 2 hour movie. Plus, more than likely this is going to be some sort of summer block buster action flick. Is that really what you want especially considering how well written the Mass Effect games are? Video game movies have an awful track record and some of you are just being blindly optimistic.

The reason video game movies suck, and for that matter movie video games, is not because there is anything intrinsic about them that makes them suck.  It is because they are done with low budgets and little artistic intent.  I do not think it is blind optimism to think Bioware will do a fine job.

I mean before most video game VA was horrible also, but hey with good effort and directing suddenly you can have great performances in a video game also.

But having said that simply taking Mass Effect the game and attempting to make a film of it just sounds like a bad idea not only from the scope of the game but also the central character and the choices made differ so much between play throughs.  Bioware did such a good job avoiding this trap with the novels...

[VampireCommando]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Captain Iglo wrote...

I think we're to much offtpoic...this isnt really about Miranda anymore

Yeah lets take our mind off of the upcoming abomination and focus on the lovely Ms. Lawson shall we

Indeed, back to Miri

[jtav]

Question: Did Miranda surprise any of you on first playthrough? She wasn't what I expected in many ways.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

Question: Did Miranda surprise any of you on first playthrough? She wasn't what I expected in many ways.

Dramatically so.  In fact I was really surprised at her first 'Normandy' conversation she not only revealed some vulnerabilities about herself but was really respectful and decent.

Very different from how she had been during the first part of the game.

[Valmy]

Captain Iglo wrote...

I think we're to much offtpoic...this isnt really about Miranda anymore

Seriously?  We have been militantly on topic for months.  How is one tiny digression worthy of fretting about making the thread not really about Miranda anymore?  Geez.

[Valmy]

Ah well ok but if we want to keep this on topic it is up to you guys to stop talking about non-Miranda subjects I want to talk about. Getting into a discussion then getting gagged is zero fun.

[VampireCommando]

jtav wrote...

Question: Did Miranda surprise any of you on first playthrough? She wasn't what I expected in many ways.

Yeah i expected to hate her, thinking she will just try and fill Ashs roll in my Sheps life, but when i sat down, talked and got to know her i found her character truly facinating and not to mention the stuff with her sister tugged at my heart strings. I think what did it the most was i went in thinking she was gonna be a cerberus loyalist and that i was gonna hate her and i was right -partly- but after her loyaltiy mission when my shep help her learn she is more thatn a tool, but a person i think that not only my she but i feel for her then aswel. This suprised me because she became the  complte opposite of what i was expecting, not to mention i think her and my shep are perfect together.

[TheSixthghoul]

I wouldn't go that far, for all we know it could be a film about Miranda, kind of like that other heroine from the Daredevil movie. They could get Yvonne to play Miranda and that guy from 300 to play as Shepard, who'd need a plot then?

[TheSixthghoul]

jtav wrote...

Question: Did Miranda surprise any of you on first playthrough? She wasn't what I expected in many ways.

I wasn't surprised untell I was saw that ass, no joke they could've have toned it down some at least I won't fill like I was subjugated.

[MrNose]

jtav wrote...

Question: Did Miranda surprise any of you on first playthrough? She wasn't what I expected in many ways.

Only really the things surrounding her loyalty mission surprised me.  Of course those are some pretty big things, but I don't really think I had any WTH? moments with Miranda.  The pc characters who surprised me the most were Tali, Garrus, and Samara.  Jack didn't surprise me at all.  I don't know if there are people who are into Jack on here, but the moment I saw her I had basically figured out her whole plotline down to the romance scene and her hair being from a cult.

[Valmy]

Wow you knew she shaved her head for a cult?

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Question: Did Miranda surprise any of you on first playthrough? She wasn't what I expected in many ways.

Since I hadn't seen any of her promo material and didn't know what to expect, no, I was not surprised for 99% of the game - I didn't know how things would turn out, but from her first appearance I knew she would be interesting. Part of my not being surprised may be the result of not developing strong expectations from her first appearance apart from that. What surprised me that she was actually critical of keeping the Collector base. I still think that's out-of-character.

Perhaps one thing that surprised me about the whole game was the quality of the acting. I was replaying Miranda's loyalty mission a few hours ago, and the acting at the scene with Oriana is amazing. And it's not limited to Miranda - almost everyone does a very good job.
BTW: I did not like the picture posted by Captain Iglo on the previous page. At all. More reason for than .

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 mai 2010 - 07:55 .

[Markinator_123]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Question: Did Miranda surprise any of you on first playthrough? She wasn't what I expected in many ways.

Since I hadn't seen any of her promo material and didn't know what to expect, no, I was not surprised for 99% of the game - I didn't know how things would turn out, but from her first appearance I knew she would be interesting. Part of my not being surprised may be the result of not developing strong expectations from her first appearance apart from that. What surprised me that she was actually critical of keeping the Collector base. I still think that's out-of-character.

Perhaps one thing that surprised me about the whole game was the quality of the acting. I was replaying Miranda's loyalty mission a few hours ago, and the acting at the scene with Oriana is amazing. And it's not limited to Miranda - almost everyone does a very good job.
BTW: I did not like the picture posted by Captain Iglo on the previous page. At all. More reason for than .

Her being against keeping the collector facility is not really out of character in my opinion. While Miranda is quite a hardened individual and at times ruthless, she is not completely amoral. I remember I think it was you who listed all of the decisions Miranda would have made if she was in Shepard's position in ME1. One of the decisions that you mentioned was that you could see her choosing to kill or save the rachni queen. One particular fact that I agree with you on was that I could see genocide being too much for her. Likewise, a collector base that melts humans as a power source (based upon on what you know about it) may have been a bit too much for her as well.

[Ieldra]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Question: Did Miranda surprise any of you on first playthrough? She wasn't what I expected in many ways.

Since I hadn't seen any of her promo material and didn't know what to expect, no, I was not surprised for 99% of the game - I didn't know how things would turn out, but from her first appearance I knew she would be interesting. Part of my not being surprised may be the result of not developing strong expectations from her first appearance apart from that. What surprised me that she was actually critical of keeping the Collector base. I still think that's out-of-character.

Her being against keeping the collector facility is not really out of character in my opinion. While Miranda is quite a hardened individual and at times ruthless, she is not completely amoral.

Not this again. Keeping the base is not amoral. If I may quote Legion on the matter:

Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others.

You could construct a moral obligation to keep the base out of this.

I remember I think it was you who listed all of the decisions Miranda would have made if she was in Shepard's position in ME1. One of the decisions that you mentioned was that you could see her choosing to kill or save the rachni queen. One particular fact that I agree with you on was that I could see genocide being too much for her. Likewise, a collector base that melts humans as a power source (based upon on what you know about it) may have been a bit too much for her as well.

They are not at all the same thing: Enacting genocide and extracting knowledge from a dangerous source without actually doing any damage to anyone. I wonder why people fail to see this. Really, my comprehension fails in the face of this obviously absurd comparison.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 mai 2010 - 08:14 .

[Markinator_123]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Question: Did Miranda surprise any of you on first playthrough? She wasn't what I expected in many ways.

Since I hadn't seen any of her promo material and didn't know what to expect, no, I was not surprised for 99% of the game - I didn't know how things would turn out, but from her first appearance I knew she would be interesting. Part of my not being surprised may be the result of not developing strong expectations from her first appearance apart from that. What surprised me that she was actually critical of keeping the Collector base. I still think that's out-of-character.

Her being against keeping the collector facility is not really out of character in my opinion. While Miranda is quite a hardened individual and at times ruthless, she is not completely amoral.

Not this again. Keeping the base is not amoral. If I may quote Legion on the matter:

Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others.

You could construct a moral obligation to keep the base out of this.

I remember I think it was you who listed all of the decisions Miranda would have made if she was in Shepard's position in ME1. One of the decisions that you mentioned was that you could see her choosing to kill or save the rachni queen. One particular fact that I agree with you on was that I could see genocide being too much for her. Likewise, a collector base that melts humans as a power source (based upon on what you know about it) may have been a bit too much for her as well.

They are not at all the same thing: Enacting genocide and extracting knowledge from a dangerous source without actually doing any damage to anyone. I wonder why people fail to see this. Really, my comprehension fails in the face of this obviously absurd comparison.

I think you are misunderstanding my point. I am not claiming that keeping the base is amoral, however she may have felt that. Maybe she wasn't thinking rationally at the time after seeing humans melt to death. What if she was thinking about Oriana being in one of those pods when she first saw the damage it could do? Evidently, I saw her reasoning for destorying the base to based upon emotion rather than logic at the time..

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra, Legion also makes a counter argument too if you get rid of the base. Legion believes that humans should not use the base, this goes well with his character because the Geth refused to use Reaper tech as a shortcut to there goal, that line contradicts his character alot where his input after the mission fits his character.



As I said, I want it to bite me in the ass if I destroyed the base I really do. I destoryed the base simply because I do not trust TIM and the fall-back willbe huge, while yes more people will die but there will be more ways to defeat the Reapers, but I do support this choice bitting people in the ass.

[Ieldra]

Markinator_123 wrote...
I think you are misunderstanding my point. I am not claiming that keeping the base is amoral, however she may have felt that. Maybe she wasn't thinking rationally at the time after seeing humans melt to death. What if she was thinking about Oriana being in one of those pods when she first saw the damage it could do? Evidently, I saw her reasoning for destorying the base to based upon emotion rather than logic at the time..

Yes....and exactly that is out of character. Miranda would make a rational decision in anything of this importance. She has done so always before. Even in personal matters she rarely acts openly emotional - when Niket betrayed her she was prepared to shoot him not out of revenge, but because he was a loose end that needed to be cut. And now we see her making a fast emotional judgment in something that could affect the whole human species? No. Not Miranda.

@kraidy:
As before, I do not argue for or against keeping the base. There are reasons to destroy it and reasons to keep it I find valid. I argue against the statement that keeping the base is immoral because of what was done there. That lies in the past. It may be a distasteful procedure to dissect the base and extract its knowledge, but it is not immoral.
.

 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 mai 2010 - 08:36 .

[kraidy1117]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Question: Did Miranda surprise any of you on first playthrough? She wasn't what I expected in many ways.

Since I hadn't seen any of her promo material and didn't know what to expect, no, I was not surprised for 99% of the game - I didn't know how things would turn out, but from her first appearance I knew she would be interesting. Part of my not being surprised may be the result of not developing strong expectations from her first appearance apart from that. What surprised me that she was actually critical of keeping the Collector base. I still think that's out-of-character.

Her being against keeping the collector facility is not really out of character in my opinion. While Miranda is quite a hardened individual and at times ruthless, she is not completely amoral.

Not this again. Keeping the base is not amoral. If I may quote Legion on the matter:

Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others.

You could construct a moral obligation to keep the base out of this.

I remember I think it was you who listed all of the decisions Miranda would have made if she was in Shepard's position in ME1. One of the decisions that you mentioned was that you could see her choosing to kill or save the rachni queen. One particular fact that I agree with you on was that I could see genocide being too much for her. Likewise, a collector base that melts humans as a power source (based upon on what you know about it) may have been a bit too much for her as well.

They are not at all the same thing: Enacting genocide and extracting knowledge from a dangerous source without actually doing any damage to anyone. I wonder why people fail to see this. Really, my comprehension fails in the face of this obviously absurd comparison.

I think you are misunderstanding my point. I am not claiming that keeping the base is amoral, however she may have felt that. Maybe she wasn't thinking rationally at the time after seeing humans melt to death. What if she was thinking about Oriana being in one of those pods when she first saw the damage it could do? Evidently, I saw her reasoning for destorying the base to based upon emotion rather than logic at the time..

Destorying the base is a act on emotion, not logic. I destoryed the base on my main Shepard and I admit, I went on emotion, not logic.

[Markinator_123]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra, Legion also makes a counter argument too if you get rid of the base. Legion believes that humans should not use the base, this goes well with his character because the Geth refused to use Reaper tech as a shortcut to there goal, that line contradicts his character alot where his input after the mission fits his character.

As I said, I want it to bite me in the ass if I destroyed the base I really do. I destoryed the base simply because I do not trust TIM and the fall-back willbe huge, while yes more people will die but there will be more ways to defeat the Reapers, but I do support this choice bitting people in the ass.

I think both decisions will have interesting consequences (Pros and cons for both). Personally, both decisions make sense (subjectively speaking).

Modifié par Markinator_123, 25 mai 2010 - 08:35 .

[TheSixthghoul]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Question: Did Miranda surprise any of you on first playthrough? She wasn't what I expected in many ways.

Since I hadn't seen any of her promo material and didn't know what to expect, no, I was not surprised for 99% of the game - I didn't know how things would turn out, but from her first appearance I knew she would be interesting. Part of my not being surprised may be the result of not developing strong expectations from her first appearance apart from that. What surprised me that she was actually critical of keeping the Collector base. I still think that's out-of-character.

Perhaps one thing that surprised me about the whole game was the quality of the acting. I was replaying Miranda's loyalty mission a few hours ago, and the acting at the scene with Oriana is amazing. And it's not limited to Miranda - almost everyone does a very good job.
BTW: I did not like the picture posted by Captain Iglo on the previous page. At all. More reason for than .

Her being against keeping the collector facility is not really out of character in my opinion. While Miranda is quite a hardened individual and at times ruthless, she is not completely amoral. I remember I think it was you who listed all of the decisions Miranda would have made if she was in Shepard's position in ME1. One of the decisions that you mentioned was that you could see her choosing to kill or save the rachni queen. One particular fact that I agree with you on was that I could see genocide being too much for her. Likewise, a collector base that melts humans as a power source (based upon on what you know about it) may have been a bit too much for her as well.

Miranda doesn't out right say shes against keeping the base, she's more on the fence, more wishful fancy of her making a definite choice. I think the surpise is more of her having a moral problem with it,given her humen's first, morality later concept.

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 25 mai 2010 - 08:36 .

[Markinator_123]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Question: Did Miranda surprise any of you on first playthrough? She wasn't what I expected in many ways.

Since I hadn't seen any of her promo material and didn't know what to expect, no, I was not surprised for 99% of the game - I didn't know how things would turn out, but from her first appearance I knew she would be interesting. Part of my not being surprised may be the result of not developing strong expectations from her first appearance apart from that. What surprised me that she was actually critical of keeping the Collector base. I still think that's out-of-character.

Her being against keeping the collector facility is not really out of character in my opinion. While Miranda is quite a hardened individual and at times ruthless, she is not completely amoral.

Not this again. Keeping the base is not amoral. If I may quote Legion on the matter:

Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others.

You could construct a moral obligation to keep the base out of this.

I remember I think it was you who listed all of the decisions Miranda would have made if she was in Shepard's position in ME1. One of the decisions that you mentioned was that you could see her choosing to kill or save the rachni queen. One particular fact that I agree with you on was that I could see genocide being too much for her. Likewise, a collector base that melts humans as a power source (based upon on what you know about it) may have been a bit too much for her as well.

They are not at all the same thing: Enacting genocide and extracting knowledge from a dangerous source without actually doing any damage to anyone. I wonder why people fail to see this. Really, my comprehension fails in the face of this obviously absurd comparison.

I think you are misunderstanding my point. I am not claiming that keeping the base is amoral, however she may have felt that. Maybe she wasn't thinking rationally at the time after seeing humans melt to death. What if she was thinking about Oriana being in one of those pods when she first saw the damage it could do? Evidently, I saw her reasoning for destorying the base to based upon emotion rather than logic at the time..

Destorying the base is a act on emotion, not logic. I destoryed the base on my main Shepard and I admit, I went on emotion, not logic.

My point exactly

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...
I think you are misunderstanding my point. I am not claiming that keeping the base is amoral, however she may have felt that. Maybe she wasn't thinking rationally at the time after seeing humans melt to death. What if she was thinking about Oriana being in one of those pods when she first saw the damage it could do? Evidently, I saw her reasoning for destorying the base to based upon emotion rather than logic at the time..

Yes....and exactly that is out of character. Miranda would make a rational decision in anything of this importance. She has done so always before. Even in personal matters she rarely acts openly emotional - when Niket betrayed her she was prepared to shoot him not out of revenge, but because he was a loose end that needed to be cut. And now we see her making a fast emotional judgment in something that could affect the whole human species? No. Not Miranda.
 

I don't know about the Niket thing, this did hurt Miri alot, just do the investigate options, she is not happy. She regrets killing Niket, thus the best thing to do is stop her from killing him, yes he dies anyways but Miri does not regret killing him. I don't think it's out of character at all because this is what Miri could be thinknig, what if TIM goes crazy and uses Oriana for the machine? Miri would feel guilty for the rest of her life.