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[Ieldra]

Markinator_123 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Destorying the base is a act on emotion, not logic. I destoryed the base on my main Shepard and I admit, I went on emotion, not logic.

My point exactly

Yes, but Miranda would not act like that in a matter this important (see my post on the previous page for details).

Edit: I repeat a paragraph from the previous page because it seems it has been lost...:

@kraidy:
As before, I do not argue for or against keeping the base. There are reasons to destroy it and reasons to keep it I find valid. I argue against the statement that keeping the base is immoral because of what was done there. That lies in the past. It may be a distasteful procedure to dissect the base and extract its knowledge, but it is not immoral. I think Miranda would see it that way as well and not let her emotions cloud her judgment. Remember she does *not* say she doesn't trust TIM and wants to destroy the base because of that. She says "It seems like a betrayal." That is OOC.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 mai 2010 - 08:45 .

[Homebound]

I think Miranda and Jack will end up as a couple in Mass Effect 3

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Destorying the base is a act on emotion, not logic. I destoryed the base on my main Shepard and I admit, I went on emotion, not logic.

My point exactly

Yes, but Miranda would not act like that in a matter this important (see my post on the previous page for details).

Again we don't know what she is thinking, as I have said, there is pros and cons to keeping the base and destorying the base. However I do beleive that some input the characters give like Legion are so out of character because what he says is so out of character, Miri it can be seen as out of character, but not that much because I could see the reasoning for it.

[kraidy1117]

Just_mike wrote...

I think Miranda and Jack will end up as a couple in Mass Effect 3

<_<

[Ieldra]

Please read the inserted paragraph in my first post on this page on the matter again, kraidy. That explains why I consider it out of character.

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
What surprised me that she was actually critical of keeping the Collector base. I still think that's out-of-character.

Yes and I still strongly disagree

But we will not know who is right until ME3.

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
What surprised me that she was actually critical of keeping the Collector base. I still think that's out-of-character.

Yes and I still strongly disagree

Paragon Shepards don't count Miranda isn't Paragon.

[Valmy]

Just_mike wrote...

I think Miranda and Jack will end up as a couple in Mass Effect 3

I think Grunt and the Turian Councillor are going to also become a couple...then they will get together for a foursome.

[Markinator_123]

My biggest problem with the decision is that all of your companions post game are unhappy with your choice for a valid decision. This is a group of people that does not agree on much but all support the paragon decision and condemn the renegade decision. Lame.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 25 mai 2010 - 08:47 .

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Paragon Shepards don't count Miranda isn't Paragon.

The ME3 plot shall vindicate me!

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Please read the inserted paragraph in my first post on this page on the matter again, kraidy. That explains why I consider it out of character.

Ah ok, now I see why you think she is OOC. I do agree, I beleive she should have said I don't want this to happen to Oriana or challange TIM, but I see where your comnig from now. I don't take the input for the base serous anymore because it is OOC alot for many characters, I only take Miri with me so she can tell TIM off. I do talk to characters after the mission because what they say does fit there character.

[kraidy1117]

Did't we already agree that miri is a Paragade?

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Paragon Shepards don't count Miranda isn't Paragon.

The ME3 plot shall vindicate me!

Yeah. Paragon solutions work. In fiction.

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
BTW: I did not like the picture posted by Captain Iglo on the previous page. At all. More reason for than .

Yeah I agree with you...there are at least three things wrong with it that disturb me...

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote...
Did't we already agree that miri is a Paragade?

I think this is almost consensus.

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Paragon Shepards don't count Miranda isn't Paragon.

The ME3 plot shall vindicate me!

Yeah. Paragon solutions work. In fiction.

Paragon= more on emotion and less on logic
Renagade= More on logic and less on emotion

[Markinator_123]

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Paragon Shepards don't count Miranda isn't Paragon.

The ME3 plot shall vindicate me!

I like the fact that Miranda doesn't give criminals a second chance. She just kills them. My main Shepard killed Fist, Rana, Chorban, merc on Thane's mission, elnora, krogan on mordin's loyalty, gunship repairman, and probably some other people who I can't think of right now. I see her doing the same thing.

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yeah. Paragon solutions work. In fiction.

We have already been around and around with this.  Keeping the base seems idiotically suicidal to me.  You disagree and claim exactly the opposite.

The lack of mind controlling space bases located besides black holes outside of fiction means bringing that point up in this conversation is hard for me to argue with.

Modifié par Valmy, 25 mai 2010 - 08:51 .

[kraidy1117]

I left Rana alive because I was hoping the nuke would have killed her, too bad in ME2 I find her doing unethical work >_>

[Valmy]

kraidy1117 wrote...
Paragon= more on emotion and less on logic
Renagade= More on logic and less on emotion

Going around physically assaulting people and lashing out angrily all the time is: logical?

I don't think either can be pigeonholed.  Sometimes one response is more logical than the other depending on the circumstance.

Modifié par Valmy, 25 mai 2010 - 08:53 .

[Sand King]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I left Rana alive because I was hoping the nuke would have killed her, too bad in ME2 I find her doing unethical work >_>

Nothing a few bullets can't fix. 

[Markinator_123]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I left Rana alive because I was hoping the nuke would have killed her, too bad in ME2 I find her doing unethical work >_>

You give too many chances. You should have blown her head off when you had the chance, then again I am the guy who killed chorban and my friend thought that was kind of cruel. In my view, he started a fight and I just finished it off.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 25 mai 2010 - 08:58 .

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yeah. Paragon solutions work. In fiction.

We have already been around and around with this.  Keeping the base seems idiotically suicidal to me.  You disagree and claim exactly the opposite.

The lack of mind controlling space bases located besides black holes outside of fiction means bringing that point up in this conversation hard for me to argue with.

If I may quote kraidy's post above:

Paragon= more on emotion and less on logic
Renegade= More on logic and less on emotion

While that isn't always correct, this case has parallels. What I'm actually against is making decisions based mainly on emotion in important matters like this. Read my relevant post - the first post on this page - for what I'm about here. I think Miranda, if she was arguing against keeping the base, would use a more rational argument than she does. That, rather than the fact that she argues against it, is out of character.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 mai 2010 - 08:57 .

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yeah. Paragon solutions work. In fiction.

We have already been around and around with this.  Keeping the base seems idiotically suicidal to me.  You disagree and claim exactly the opposite.

The lack of mind controlling space bases located besides black holes outside of fiction means bringing that point up in this conversation hard for me to argue with.

If I may quote kraidy's post above:

Paragon= more on emotion and less on logic
Renegade= More on logic and less on emotion

While that isn't always correct, this case has parallels. What I'm actually against is making decisions based mainly on emotion in important matters like this. Read my relevant post - the first post on this page - for what I'm about here. I think Miranda, if she was arguing against keeping the base, would use a more rational argument than she does. 

I do beleive miri should have brought up Oriana as a argument or edven challange TIM, the "it seems like a betreyal" is very poor and OOC.

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
While that isn't always correct, this case has parallels. What I'm actually against is making decisions based mainly on emotion in important matters like this. Read my relevant post - the first post on this page - for what I'm about here. I think Miranda, if she was arguing against keeping the base, would use a more rational argument than she does. 

Ah gotcha so if she had used the argument that the base was far too dangerous to logically be kept around as her reason for destroying the base...or used the argument that we needed the base to find a weakness of the Reapers...that would have been in character.  The fact her reasoning seems be based on a hunch or a feeling is out of character to you.

I can get with that I suppose.  The latter is more of the sort of "reasoning" my Shep uses.

Modifié par Valmy, 25 mai 2010 - 08:59 .