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Ieldra

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VampireCommando wrote...
Question: what do you all think will happen between your Sheps and Miri in ME3?


I can almost quote the parts that would apply to my Shepard(s):

I think that my Shep and Miri will continue to develop there relationship at a steady pace, no babies, proposals or any of that crap.

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I think that whislt my Shep will be contuine to be the paragon that he is i think that Miri will come to be the voice of reason and logic, apart from when she needs to make desions that invole her deep emotions- something to do with Shep or Oriana- and she will not change from the sometimes cynical person that my shep has fell in love with.

My Shepard is much closer to Miranda in outlook (more or less Paragade) from the start. They both have deep emotions, but tend to hide them from anyone but themselves (and now, sometimes but not always, each other) and regularly overrule them if reason demands it, except in personal matters and where they can afford to. They differ not so much in outlook as in abilities, with Miranda preferring to work in the background and Shepard, while being not as inept in the spy trade as the games make him appear, still preferring a more open approach because he's a better leader.

I believe of course there will be big hurdles for them to over come, Ash coming back into Shepards life will be a problem, not because my shep still has deelings for he but because he knows that Ash doesnt let go easy and wont like it seing him with another -better- woman, after all she is only human, I think this will put stress on my shep from two directions; firstly Miri and Ash may not get along and working conditions may become stighlty awkard and with all the events going on its gonna put pressure on shep to keep the peace. Then there is gonna be the relationship between Ash and Shep, i know my shep will want to remain friends with Ash and get along with her but i fear Miri may get a little jelous, as all woman doPosted Image.

Here I differ. Ash coming back may pose a problem because Ash doesn't let go easily, but my Shepard would prefer to make a clean cut and put some distance between them for some time, exactly because he wants to avoid the awkwardness of the situation. In time things might get a bit easier. If they're forced to work with each other, he''ll try to maintain a professional distance.

Another thing i think they will both have to contend with is the fact of the mission at hand, either of them could die any day, after all they are fighting the reapers and god knows what else, i think whilst this is good as it will bring them closer faster because of what there going through, however i think that if there are desisions to be made that they have to make that involve endangering each other they may place their love about whats best for the galaxy, this will also be apparent to the rest of the squad, who may inturn be rather hostile in return, yet putting more pressure on the relationship.

My Shepard and Miranda will have promised each other that they won't endanger the mission for the sake of their love. Miranda will let Shepard go and Shepard Miranda, if this is the only way to accomplish the mission. But only if it is the only way. This is because they feel if they act otherwise, their love will be tainted.

Also there is the option of oriana, the last we knew cerberus was protecting her as they knew it was the eaisest way of ocuring Miri's loyalty to them, but in my playthrough at the end Miri turned her back on TIM and resgined, i think that TIM will try and utalize Oriana to try and get back at miri, shep and the crew, or maybe hold her hostage and ask Miri to do something in return, something that will put her between a rock and a hard place, and would also maybe merit a resuce mission to get her out of cerberus hands.

Uh...I'm not sure I'd like that to appear in ME3, since hostage and blackmail scenarios are a sure way to bring my Renegade tendencies to the fore. I don't want to be Renegade with regard to Oriana and Miranda, but it would be very hard for my Shepard to justify giving in to demands made that way. If this happens, I hope I can let Miranda decide... Shepard will follow her in this, but left to make his own decision, he'd sacrifice Oriana.

I have no doubt that there will be other numerous challanges that they will have to over come, and assuming that they survive -and the rest of the galaxy does aswel- i can see them both retiring on a lush garden world and living a normal life - for them anyway- and who knows what the future hold- kids, pets marragie even- who knows. 

I think they will continue to work for humanity's advancement (not to be taken as political oppression of nonhumans, but as advancement of capabilities both collective and individual). But they will work out of the public's sight. Miranda will take over Cerberus and make humanity's equivalent of the STG of it, Shepard will lead commando raids and broker secret deals, capable as he is at convincing people. They will have a "working home" on a remote space station equipped like a quarian liveship and another one on a lush garden world. Eventually, they'll have children...
...or if after-Reaper civilization will not use the chance to change into a ciivlization looking more into the future instead of depending on what's there, then they will take a number of like-minded colonists and go off into the unexplored regions of the galaxy, never to be seen again in Citadel space.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 mai 2010 - 07:37 .


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kraidy1117

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Nicely written Ieldra, and I agree on alot what you said.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

One question: would you describe Miranda as a "hard woman"?

This is what Samara says about her when you ask. I thought that's not what I'd have said if asked to describe Miranda in a few words (which is impossible anyway), and almost comical coming from Samara, who is hard as diamond when it comes to her duties. What do you think?

And good morning, everyone.


I took it as meaning that she is a hard woman to like and get along with because she is all buinsess, however under all those barriers, there is a person under there.

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Jebel Krong

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personally, Ieldra, i see shep continuing on as a spectre (assuming the galactic community survives relatively intact), with miranda running cerberus or something similar, but less contentious.



btw: weird pic from deviantart:

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http://madspike.devi...ss effect&qo=11

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A bullet to the head fixes everything, including Miranda. At least she was a little more tolerable than Ash.



She comes off as being totally brainwashed.

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Jebel Krong

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uh, yeah - you have to play more than the first couple of missions with each character before "defining" them...

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 26 mai 2010 - 09:48 .


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Errol Dnamyx

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Or actually do her loyalty mission...

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Jebel Krong

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more deviantart pics:



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http://selkirk.devia...a lawson"&qo=11



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http://km245.deviant...a lawson"&qo=53



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http://mirroredr.dev... lawson"&qo=114



some repeats, undoubtedly.

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Jestina wrote...

A bullet to the head fixes everything, including Miranda. At least she was a little more tolerable than Ash.

She comes off as being totally brainwashed.


Lol, not the best idea to come and say that in her support thread where her my loyal and avid fans reside is it now?

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Ieldra

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@Jebel Krong:
Did you have to repost that manipulated photo? Really...:sick:

Of the other three, no. 2 and 3 and more or less OK, though I do not like the style much. At least they're made reasonably well and not insulting.

@Jestina:
If you'd played her loyalty mission, and brought her along to the final battle, you'd know she's more than a Cerberus apologist.

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Jebel Krong

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i agree it's odd, but i didn't know anyone had seen it. the artist's "jack" picture was much better.

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VampireCommando

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Ieldra, very well put, i agree with all of your points on my question.



To answer your question Kraidy, When Samara asked about her being a Hardy woman, i think its because to everyone else all they see is the no nonsense buisness side of Miri, only to shep does she open up to her more human side to.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

@Jebel Krong:
Did you have to repost that manipulated photo? Really...:sick:

Of the other three, no. 2 and 3 and more or less OK, though I do not like the style much. At least they're made reasonably well and not insulting.

@Jestina:
If you'd played her loyalty mission, and brought her along to the final battle, you'd know she's more than a Cerberus apologist.




Good to see i'm not the only one that finds that photo a bit on the Posted Image side of life.

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Morning any thing of interest?

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Ieldra

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Sixth Goul wrote...
Morning any thing of interest?

Depends. Opinions (more and less reasonable ones), pictures and speculations. I'll add one to the pictures since I need an antidote for that manipulated photo:

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@all:
I recall I asked about opinions about a fitting "Miranda theme" - a piece of music that expresses her personality. There were no suggestions which is not surprising. I find that difficult myself. Perhaps someone's had an inspiration since then....

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TheSixthghoul

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A little too broad of a generalization, don't you think?One song couldn't represent a whole personality.

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 26 mai 2010 - 12:39 .


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Morning.



To answer your question Ieldra, I would describe Miranda as hard. Though she is also capable of a certain softness towards those she loves.

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Sixth Goul wrote...
A little too broad of a generalization, don't you think?One song couldn't represent a whole personality.

It does have to emphasize traits, yes. But movie music regularly manages to capture characters, and if done well, it even manages a medium level of complexity. I do not think a song could do it, though. It would have to be instrumental to not add a personality of its own, and symphonic, to carry the necessary complexity.

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Morning, jtav.
 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 mai 2010 - 01:29 .


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Jestina wrote...

A bullet to the head fixes everything, including Miranda. At least she was a little more tolerable than Ash.

She comes off as being totally brainwashed.



Why in the world are you here? This is a support thread. If you don't like Miranda, stay out of the thread. The idiotic nature of this forum never ceases to amase me.

#42220
VampireCommando

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Markinator_123 wrote...

Jestina wrote...

A bullet to the head fixes everything, including Miranda. At least she was a little more tolerable than Ash.

She comes off as being totally brainwashed.



Why in the world are you here? This is a support thread. If you don't like Miranda, stay out of the thread. The idiotic nature of this forum never ceases to amase me.


Yeah i know, i thought i'd seen it all, and then the internet was invented, i told this douche where to go earlier, i think he listened, but if he return, get the pitchforks men!!

On a brighter note, good morning Jtav

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Hey! I'm the token "say bad things about Miranda" person! Somebody's stealing my job! Though I really don't think I make too much of her issues.

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i wish there was the option to lock some people out of threads..like ppl who are not fans of a char in a char like thread...


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jtav wrote...

Morning.

To answer your question Ieldra, I would describe Miranda as hard. Though she is also capable of a certain softness towards those she loves.


I don't think Miranda is hard towards any person with the stones to be upfront with her.  She acts sort of playful with Shepard really quickly in the game, listen to her voice and mannerisms when she first describes how perfect she is.  She isn't being at all serious in that scene.

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According to my opinion, Miranda is the most completed character in ME2. Because when compares to Miri's personality I can say other characters are empty shells (I don't know why the developers have done some extra work regarding her personality when developing Miranda). Also she has the most sensitive back-story and loyalty mission from all others.



Anyway I certainly hope to have Miri as a teammate in ME3 with more realistic romance options.

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KendallX23 wrote...
i wish there was the option to lock some people out of threads..like ppl who are not fans of a char in a char like thread...

I don't mind people critical of Miranda, as long as they're reasonably articulate and can present an argument. Even something like "I really don't like her and would like to know why you all do?" is OK, though my answer would probably be "read the OP and tell me why you don't". Everything but people just dumping their dislike here - that's inappropriate.