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[Ieldra]

MrNose wrote...

jtav wrote...
To answer your question Ieldra, I would describe Miranda as hard. Though she is also capable of a certain softness towards those she loves.

I don't think Miranda is hard towards any person with the stones to be upfront with her.  She acts sort of playful with Shepard really quickly in the game, listen to her voice and mannerisms when she first describes how perfect she is.  She isn't being at all serious in that scene.

Exactly. I listen to her voice, how she moves in several scenes, and think, no doubt she can be hard, and sometimes is, but to describe her as a "hard woman" is misleading.

[Nightwriter]

Jestina wrote...

A bullet to the head fixes everything, including Miranda. At least she was a little more tolerable than Ash.

She comes off as being totally brainwashed.

Yes. Come into the Miranda thread to say this.

Perhaps next you can go to the Tali thread and say you slept with Tali hoping the contact would kill her, her vulnerability was only a little more tolerable than Liara's.

Also, weird pics kong. Very... wonky. Wonky? Yes, no, wonky. That's the word and I'm sticking to it!

[Ieldra]

snfonseka wrote...
According to my opinion, Miranda is the most completed character in ME2. Because when compares to Miri's personality I can say other characters are empty shells (I don't know why the developers have done some extra work regarding her personality when developing Miranda). Also she has the most sensitive back-story and loyalty mission from all others.

No, the other characters aren't empty shells. Jack's backstory, for instance, is fairly extensive, and it also tells us she isn't only the out-of-control maniac she appears at first. Most characters are rather well done. I agree Miranda is the most complete, but that's at least partly because she has the bonus of having a role in the plot. She's my favorite because of her personality, of what she is, not her complexity as such.  

Anyway I certainly hope to have Miri as a teammate in ME3 with more realistic romance options.

Subscribed. I don't know what you consider realistic, but romance options that outline her character more are very much desirable.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 mai 2010 - 02:57 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Hey! I'm the token "say bad things about Miranda" person! Somebody's stealing my job! Though I really don't think I make too much of her issues.

Calling certain of her personality traits "issues" suggests they are almost pathological. I do not see anything pathological in her personality traits, except her selective perception of Cerberus. And even that she can overcome on her own.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 mai 2010 - 03:01 .

[jtav]

The main things that worry me from a psych standpoint are her self-esteem issues and her (potential) lack of a support structure. "The only thing I can take credit for are my mistakes" is not healthy. As for the other, she's extremely self-reliant and strong, but if you play the game right (wrong), she can end the game with no one and nothing to count on. Niket dead. Shepard cold toward her. Oriana a stranger. Having lost faith in Cerberus but not resigned. That degree of isolation could eventually prove problematic, though you do have to be actively trying to get that outcome. But, no, I don't think she's mentally ill or consumed by her demons the way Jack is.

[TheSixthghoul]

I was thinking of a song that could best fit Miranda and I might have found.

This song is from The Cranberries "Everyone Else Is doing,So Why Can't We" the song is called "I Still Do."

[Nightwriter]

Girl's got issues, no question. But everyone on the damn ship has issues, including Shepard, so I don't see it's that big a deal. Everyone has issues. I have issues. My family has issues. You all have issues. The world has issues. If that word means something pathological then we're all crazy.

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

Girl's got issues, no question. But everyone on the damn ship has issues, including Shepard, so I don't see it's that big a deal. Everyone has issues. I have issues. My family has issues. You all have issues. The world has issues. If that word means something pathological then we're all crazy.

Issues can be interesting.

[Nightwriter]

Yes, they are. I find people without issues boring.

Oh dear, but this could explain my relationship history...

[jtav]

Issues are interesting, particularly with a character like Miranda who has issues but isn't defined by them. They're a seasoning that adds flavor, not the main course.

[jlb524]

Miranda's issues are nuanced, and not as obvious as some others (someone like Jack where you can see her issues coming from a mile away). I like that about her character.....flaws under a seemingly perfect exterior.

[VampireCommando]

It makes her more human, i mean can you seriously say you know someone that doesnt have any issues at all. I belive giving a character like Miri takes away the assumption that just because she is geneticaly engenieered to be the best human being, and be amaing at everything doesnt me she doesnt have her flaws, and these flaws and issuses are what make her seem more human, and not the kind of ' super human' that she was desgined to be.

[Nightwriter]

I think I knew one person who I can say didn't have any issues at all. I hated them. Does that make me a bad person, or just a spiteful one? I'll consult my magic Miri ball... it says, "It makes you a bloody pragmatist." Hmm. Sometimes I really don't understand the things she says...

[Collider]

People tend to sympathize with the underdog. Those who appear to have no issues at all - celebrities as an example - tend to be more polarizing.

[jlb524]

I do have a question for you all....do you see Miranda as the staunch 'loyalist' or 'Cerberus fan-girl' even before the Collector base incident (when she quits Cerberus) or do you think she was questioning the organization even before that, maybe even before Shepard's resurrection?



I know she tries to justify Cerberus to Shepard, but this could be seen as also an attempt to convince herself yet again that Cerberus is justified in its actions.

[Collider]

I didn't really see Miranda as "Cerberus cheerleader," as Jack would put it.

But I don't think she was questioning the organization, because I never saw her do it. Until the end of the game.

[Nightwriter]

I saw the beginning of doubt when I took her on Jack's loyalty mission, but nowhere else. After that she seemed pretty able to convince herself that was a rogue cell and that her image of Cerberus was uncompromised.

I think Miranda believed in Cerberus, but not in the fanatic way some would say. I don't think she's a fangirl because I can't imagine Miranda being a fangirl of anything.

I did feel like the resignation sort of came out of nowhere.

[jtav]

jlb524 wrote...

I do have a question for you all....do you see Miranda as the staunch 'loyalist' or 'Cerberus fan-girl' even before the Collector base incident (when she quits Cerberus) or do you think she was questioning the organization even before that, maybe even before Shepard's resurrection?

I know she tries to justify Cerberus to Shepard, but this could be seen as also an attempt to convince herself yet again that Cerberus is justified in its actions.

It's possible to see it that way, but I don't. We really don't get to see evidence of her doubts until Pragia, where she seems nauseated by the actions of the rogue cell, and the Collector ship and aftermath, when she realizes TIM would send them into a trap if it suited his purposes. Also, I take the fact that she was willing to bend the rules and pass on info about the Gernsback as an early indication that she prizes some things and people even higher than Cerberus.

[Collider]

Nightwriter wrote...

I saw the beginning of doubt when I took her on Jack's loyalty mission, but nowhere else. After that she seemed pretty able to convince herself that was a rogue cell and that her image of Cerberus was uncompromised.

I think Miranda believed in Cerberus, but not in the fanatic way some would say. I don't think she's a fangirl because I can't imagine Miranda being a fangirl of anything.

I did feel like the resignation sort of came out of nowhere.

Depends. This time, Miranda gets face to face with what Cerberus is infamous for. TIM wants to use the base that has been processing thousands (millions?) of humans into paste. A base filled with reaper technology that could be used for indoctrination. Also the fact that the technology could indoctrinate Cerberus personnel themselves. But at the same time, she doesn't resign if you save the base. Curious.

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

I did feel like the resignation sort of came out of nowhere.

OK, that's what I was thinking too...I think they could have shown some doubt with Miranda in order to make that seem a bit more realistic.    It just seems to tell us there was always a seed of doubt somewhere within her, she just did a great job of not showing it.

[Nightwriter]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I did feel like the resignation sort of came out of nowhere.

OK, that's what I was thinking too...I think they could have shown some doubt with Miranda in order to make that seem a bit more realistic.    It just seems to tell us there was always a seed of doubt somewhere within her, she just did a great job of not showing it.

Oh, I agree, I would've liked to see this.

I think it would've actually made her character more appealing to people, too. Having her doubt Cerberus would make her seem more human.

Also jtav,  I don't remember Miranda doubting TIM with his trickery with the Collector ship, when does that happen?

[VampireCommando]

Nightwriter wrote...

I saw the beginning of doubt when I took her on Jack's loyalty mission, but nowhere else. After that she seemed pretty able to convince herself that was a rogue cell and that her image of Cerberus was uncompromised.

I think Miranda believed in Cerberus, but not in the fanatic way some would say. I don't think she's a fangirl because I can't imagine Miranda being a fangirl of anything.

I did feel like the resignation sort of came out of nowhere.

This is exactly what i thought aswel.

[Collider]

What night siaid reminds me of the whole cheerleader thing. I never felt she was a "cheerleader." For anything really, including Cerberus. Then again, this is Jack we're talking about.

[jtav]

Nightwriter wrote...

Also jtav,  I don't remember Miranda doubting TIM with his trickery with the Collector ship, when does that happen?

She gets very flustered when it's suggested he set the squad up. She denies it, but she doesn't soubd certain at all.

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...

What night siaid reminds me of the whole cheerleader thing. I never felt she was a "cheerleader." For anything really, including Cerberus. Then again, this is Jack we're talking about.

It is odd Jack refers to her as such after only knowing her for a few minutes.