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[Sand King]

Slow night. Well I still like Miranda.

[MrNose]

Where did that pic come from? Amazing!

[Ieldra]

MrNose wrote...

Where did that pic come from? Amazing!

IIRC, it's official promotion material.

@all: 
Good morning.

[epoch_]

MrNose wrote...

Where did that pic come from? Amazing!

Pretty sure that was the very first pic of miranda. At the time, people thought it might have been ashley

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...
Oh, I love some of the individual lines. But there were times I was forcibly reminded that I wasn't the target audience, most notably the engine room scene. I prefer something with a more overt romanticism (like those ideas I PM'd you).

Times besides the engine room scene?  Geez it lasts about 20 seconds and wasn't a big deal.  I cannot imagine that ruined the whole thing for you.

[Valmy]

Jestina wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
@Jestina:
If you'd played her loyalty mission, and brought her along to the final battle, you'd know she's more than a Cerberus apologist.

She comes off as just a Cerberus tool for the majority of the game. Every time Shepard questions her about an atrocity Cerberus commited, Miranda pulls out a handy excuse. She licks IM's shoes even though she apparently is kept mostly in the dark about him...blind obedience I guess. Fits the definition of brainwashed...and apparently she wanted to do the same thing to Shepard by putting controls in Shepards mind.

She's almost the same personality as Ash, one being all gung-ho Alliance and the other all gushy for Cerberus.

Wow broad and shallow assertions without evidence or examples.  Color me unimpressed. 

If you want to make poorly presented and thought out generalizations about characters in a fan thread you are a troll if you do not come here to have an actual discussion.  Bring up something to discuss rather than just acting like a tool yourself.  And I have an actual example: this post.

[Valmy]

jlb524 wrote...

About Miranda's 'romance' scene, I would have preferred something similar to Garrus'. Why couldn't she just show up, bring a bottle of wine, and share a kiss with Shepard (no headbutting)? I think it would have fit the course that the romance took (her becoming warmer to Shepard). The 'Engine Room Scene' seems to be, unfortunately, all about the sex.

Because they already did all that in the scenes before the scene.  They really should have had that last love talk right before the sex scene...they delay in between (which can be very long depending...) gives the wrong impression....

but really the only way you could take the engine scene to be all about the sex would be to ignore the conversations right before it and once you go down that road EVERY sex scene ever made is just about the sex.  What makes it about  more is the context.

[Valmy]

VampireCommando wrote...

Guys just to let you know, Kraidy is banned. Don't know why or for how long yet either.

Again?  He really has to stop trolling other people's threads.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

I hate "will they, won't they" just like I despise "hatred=secretly attracted." Let them want each other and acknowledge it. Let the player see it. Make us want the consummation as much as they do. That's the sort of thing that makes a PG-13 sex scene hotter than the edgiest porno.

I told you I read romances.

Hard to do when the writers cannot really control exactly what Shep is going to say.

Yeah I have no experience with the "hatred=secretly attracted" thing so I don't get it either.

[Nightwriter]

Well I guess I'll be coming in here a lot more often.

I don't think I'd have liked Miranda to show up with a bottle of wine or something - she did that with Jacob and I'd feel like that was just her hook and Shepard was another notch on the bedpost.

Also, I like the "will they, won't they" thing, if I'm understanding you right. I loved it with Han Solo and Leia - in fact I wish there was more of that element in the romance, I like that they challenged each other.

[Collider]

I just wish there was more dialog to the love scene.

[Ieldra]

VampireCommando wrote...

Auzden wrote...
my all time favorite Miranda scene was when u kiss her in her room. i was like SCORE!!!!

 When and how does this happen???

Uh...you don't know the kiss scene? That must be remedied fast. Here's how you get there:

In the second conversation after her loyalty mission, you get to talk about Miranda's being genetically engineered with Shepard saying something like "You always bring that up". There's one option where you can say "You're jealous?". Take that option. Shortly after, the red Renegade option "[Kiss her]" comes up.

You can look up how it goes in gutty47's Miranda dialogue tree. It's conversation 3, Renegade path.

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...

jtav wrote...
Oh, I love some of the individual lines. But there were times I was forcibly reminded that I wasn't the target audience, most notably the engine room scene. I prefer something with a more overt romanticism (like those ideas I PM'd you).

Well, I've been watching movies geared toward a certain "target audience" for years, so I suppose I've become desensitized. Besides, the scene was fun in its way.

I notice my perceptions of male Shep change when I pretend I'm not picking dialogue options at all - I completely close off the part of my brain that knows I'm controlling his actions. I act like I'm watching a scene in a movie. 

Shepard becomes more of a character and much less boring. I wish there was a way we could select all the dialogue and then replay the scene without dialogue wheel pop ups.

I agree completely, and I think that's how the MEx dialogues are meant to be played - you get the best experience where you can mentally close off the game mechanics. There are a few places where there wasn't a fitting dialogue option, and the experience breaks there because you must make an effort to ignore them, but for most of the game, it works very well. 

As for the engine room scene, the location is weird because it's so uncomfortable, but I really like the mood. It's like a sudden outburst of long-suppressed passion, but starts tender enough to show that they care for each other beyond the sex. Very fitting for a character like Miranda - and most of my Shepards, fortunately.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 mai 2010 - 07:13 .

[Ieldra]

VampireCommando wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...
anyways, If you could give Miranda any pet in the world, or any Game
world what would you give her?

Hmmm, pet wise, a siberian tiger[...]

The tiger, i dunno why, i just think it would compliment her personality

Perfect! I didn't think of that.

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

About Miranda's 'romance' scene, I would have preferred something similar to Garrus'. Why couldn't she just show up, bring a bottle of wine, and share a kiss with Shepard (no headbutting)? I think it would have fit the course that the romance took (her becoming warmer to Shepard). The 'Engine Room Scene' seems to be, unfortunately, all about the sex.

Joker: Shepard, Miranda would like to see you at her station in her office
Shepard: I wonder what's wrong

*Shepard walks to Miri standing near her desk
Shepard: Miranda, is there something bugging you.

*Miri looks at you and her eyes are watery a little bit*

Miri: Shepard, I have been thinknig and this won't work, between us.

*You then have a choice to comfort her or aggree with her*

Shepard: Mira it is worth it, and you know that.

*Miri smiles a little bit*

Miri: But you deserve someone who can give you a better life then I can, who can give you love

Shepard: I don't want anyone else, I want you. You are the only thing I care about deeply, and I know you do too.

Miri; I know, but it just won't work

*During this, a paragon response comes up, if you take it you
stopher and kiss her, you then pick her up a little bit and put her on
the desk as you began to kiss her neck, then you pick her up and you go
to her bed, you both fall down on it, her on top. The sex scene then
goes normaly like in the game)

Thats how I would have done it.

Not I. The scene is nice enough, but in the game, Miranda takes the initiative after admitting it's worth it in the previous conversation. She's the one who calls you out and you can reject or follow her suggestions. I really like that aspect and would very much dislike if it were different. Maybe I'll be able to come up with my personal favorite scene, but apart from the location, it won't be so different from the engine room scene. It also will not have many, if any, words, because I think at this point, any dialogue spoils the mood. It may feature a glass of wine....

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I would have kept the sex but I would have moved the "promise" scene so that it immediately preceded it. Though, really, I would much rather scrap the whole thing and began from scratch. There are so many interesting angles that they could have used but didn't. ME2 is "strange bedfellows" plot. Shepard, as a Spectre/Alliance soldier is working with people that are traitors. Use that. Have Shepard and Miranda argue--really argue--about Cerberus and try to convert each other. Have one or both of them acknowledge the attraction but getting involved is a bad idea because they'll be enemies again once the Reapers are defeated. Ratchet up the sexual tension as high as you can. Cue fireworks.

The "choices" aspect of roleplaying gets in the way of this. What if your Shepard was more than half convinced that Cerberus is right in the first place? That would spoil the whole dynamic. I think things like this are the main reason we don't get relationship scenes with any meaning beyond the immediately personal. It's unfortunate, but I can't see a perfect solution.

[Nightwriter]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I agree completely, and I think that's how the MEx dialogues are meant to be played - you get the best experience where you can mentally close off the game mechanics. There are a few places where there wasn't a fitting dialogue option, and the experience breaks there because you must make an effort to ignore them, but for most of the game, it works very well. 

As for the engine room scene, the location is weird because it's so uncomfortable, but I really like the mood. It's like a sudden outburst of long-suppressed passion, but starts tender enough to show that they care for each other beyond the sex. Very fitting for a character like Miranda - and most of my Shepards, fortunately.

I felt the same way! I wished I could cut the game mechanics out sometimes - even when you watch Youtube videos you see the dialogue wheel pop up and the user making the choice, and it sort of ruins the scene. Hard to explain I guess.

I wasn't struck by the engine room being uncomfortable really, but I see other people got that impression. An outburst of passion is really good, but I feel like it needs to be proceeded with some dialogue so that we know that outburst of passion is meaningful and not just horniness.

[Ieldra]

jlb524 wrote...
They could have done something with the 'doctor/patient' thing too. An over-protective Miranda that, at first, thinks of Shepard only as her 'finest professional accomplishment'.

Am I the only one who would find that seriously creepy...

[Nightwriter]

While that does have the potential to be a bit creepy, I still think they should've focused more on the two years Miranda spent rebuilding Shepard.

Like, it would've been funny to me if Miranda is a bit handsy with him at first - not in a sexual way. Say, he gets wounded or something. She becomes irritated, not protective.

She grabs him and tries to push his shirt up to see the wound or something - think about it, she's been touching an unconscious body for two years that's never been able to make any objections to pokes and prods or manhandling. Shepard shoves her away, and she becomes even more irritated. He's an investment whose upkeep it's her responsibility to ensure.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Several of us (myself included) tend to think of Miranda as a scientist first and foremost. But is that true? She knows enough to supervise the Lazarus Project but she's introduced to us as a spy/handler with an extensive list of contacts in Galaxy and she admires Mordin for his time in the STG, not for his scientific accomplishments specifically.

I don't think Miranda has the mindset you need to be a scientist first. Compare her with ME1 Liara and that becomes very clear. Miranda's too problem-oriented. She asks "How do I get X to work", with the more basic question "How does X function in the first place" a pure scientist would ask asked only because it's needed for the solution of the problem.
In my eyes, Miranda is mostly defined by her "black ops agent" background. Since she has enhanced mental acuity from her genetic engineering and the best education money can buy (she says exactly that in the first conversation in the Normandy), she can be very good at the science at the same time, and she wouldn't be if she wasn't also curious about how things work. But it's not her primary mindset.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 mai 2010 - 08:21 .

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

I'm curious: am I the only one who likes Miranda but is mostly indifferent towards her romance? Miranda is my favorite Bioware NPC ever, but her actual romance is well behind several others. I'd put it down to being female, but Viconia and Bastila's are two of my favorites.

i haven't played the other romances, but i think miranda's is well done - not OTT, and is a rarity in any media of a meeting between equals, is handled in a mature fashion, and regardless of the location of the "romance scene" itself, it was well done.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Several of us (myself included) tend to think of Miranda as a scientist first and foremost. But is that true? She knows enough to supervise the Lazarus Project but she's introduced to us as a spy/handler with an extensive list of contacts in Galaxy and she admires Mordin for his time in the STG, not for his scientific accomplishments specifically.

I don't think Miranda has the mindset you need to be a scientist first. Compare her with ME1 Liara and that becomes very clear. Miranda's too problem-oriented. She asks "How do I get X to work", with the more basic question "How does X function in the first place" a pure scientist would ask asked only because it's needed for the solution of the problem.
In my eyes, Miranda is mostly defined by her "black ops agent" background. Since she has enhanced mental acuity from her genetic engineering and the best education money can buy (she says exactly that in the first conversation in the Normandy), she can be very good at the science at the same time, and she wouldn't be if she wasn't also curious about how things work. But it's not her primary mindset.

where is it established she's a "black-ops" agent? she's not 100% scientist, more like a project lead - using her IQ and genetic advantages to succeed where anyone else would balk/fail.

[Nightwriter]

I find it hard to pigeonhole Miranda's talents into any one role or title. She strikes me as very versatile.

I thought it odd that we do not see any demonstrations of Miranda's intellect beyond her work on Shepard. I would've liked to see more. She is meant to be very intelligent. Perhaps they should have shown us this more.

[Jestina]

Valmy wrote...
Wow broad and shallow assertions without evidence or examples.  Color me unimpressed. 

Helps if you paid attention to the dialogue in the game and played the first ME.

[Prudii Aden]

Jestina wrote...

Valmy wrote...
Wow broad and shallow assertions without evidence or examples.  Color me unimpressed. 

Helps if you paid attention to the dialogue in the game and played the first ME.

So, what exactly are you saying, or are you just trying to provoke a response? Most people here have paid attention to the dialogue and played ME1.