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[Shadedclan]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Prudii Aden wrote...

Shadedclan wrote...
Well since we don't have biotics and will never experience the unparalled ecstacy brought in by using mass effect fields, can Miri be pregnant? Because of her being created.

I don't see why she couldn't get/be pregnant.  There is nothing to say that biotics in humans makes humans sterile.

I don't think Miranda's father, that prospective founder of humanity's genetic aristocracy, would have given her biotics if he thought she couldn't have children because of it. Apart from that, I'd be surprised if late 22nd century biotechnology couldn't produce an egg from a woman's stem cells (or even a man's) to facilitate reproduction in the case of sterility.

You have a point there. As I recall too, cloning is also possible.

[jtav]

I'd be very surprised if Miranda were infertile--unless that was the reason she was discarded in favor of Oriana. If eezo exposure does affect fertility levels in human, Lawson wouldn't know until years after Miranda was born because the science was still in its infancy.

[Auzden]

jtav wrote...

I'd be very surprised if Miranda were infertile--unless that was the reason she was discarded in favor of Oriana. If eezo exposure does affect fertility levels in human, Lawson wouldn't know until years after Miranda was born because the science was still in its infancy.

Miranda.... infertile.... but I..... i..... uh...

[jtav]

My, I have a genius for upsettung people lately. First the Tali thread, now this

I want her to have biological children eventually for reasons of my own. But the possibility is there and it's not like kids are even on her radar anyway.

[jtav]

Another thing, Miranda is almost certainly not a natural biotic. Biotics and eezo weren't even linked until she was eight.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
My, I have a genius for upsettung people lately. First the Tali thread, now this

I want her to have biological children eventually for reasons of my own. But the possibility is there and it's not like kids are even on her radar anyway.

Just for the record: this doesn't bother me in the least. It wouldn't make Miranda less interesting, or less likeable, or less attractive, or less suitable for a romance. However, there's one flaw in your argument: Miranda being simply infertile from external influences like eezo wouldn't prevent her from having children with the advances in biotechnology. Since her infertility wouldn't be genetic and she'd still be genetically perfect, she'd still be suitable for continuing the dynasty, just not by natural means. That shouldn't bother her father much considering how he made her, and he'd probably balance the biotic potential against fertility problems then. With slightly different priorities, it's still a plausible scenario.

I don't think having biotics affects fertility, though. There's absolutely no indication of that in the Codex. The eezo particules enabling biotic power are in your brain and shouldn't affect pregnancy. The interesting part is that biotic potential can't be inherited, since human biochemistry can't produce eezo (I wonder how asari do it). If you want to have biotic children, there's only one known way.

[jtav]

You're right, Ieldra. Theory withdrawn. Gladly. I want her to have kids in a few decades.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Another thing, Miranda is almost certainly not a natural biotic. Biotics and eezo weren't even linked until she was eight.

I've thought about that a lot. As far as we know, biotic power depends on being exposed to eezo before birth. Miranda can't have been unless someone knew, which isn't completely impossible since she was made after the discovery of the Prothean ruins on Mars. So there are two scenarios:
(1) She was exposed to eezo before birth. Someone knew in advance, for instance from secret experiments, and chose not to make it public.
(2) She was not exposed at birth. In that case, those eezo particles in the brain would have to have been added later, which contradicts the assumption that eezo exposure before birth was required to make you a biotic.

This raises the question why the asari are natural biotics. Since I cannot believe that eezo can be produced through biochemical processes, I have to assume that eezo is a naturally occurring element on the asari homeworld. That, again, raises the question how spacefaring asari get children with biotic potential. I take it there are secrets to asari reproduction they've never told anyone else.

Edit:
I'm astonished we still haven't run out of Miranda topics. We've touched Miranda's biotic some weeks ago, but I don't think this has been discussed in depth before.

Edit2:
One plausible scenario is that eezo is particularly rare, perhap even naturally non-existent, in the solar system, while being present in many other species' home star systems as well as in the majority of other systems in the galaxy. That could account for some species being more or less naturally biotic.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 mai 2010 - 02:54 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
You're right, Ieldra. Theory withdrawn. Gladly. I want her to have kids in a few decades.

That's the timeframe I was thinking of as well....I think she would eventually like to have children, but not right after the events of ME3.

[jtav]

Ieldra, my money is that it was done after birth. From the wiki:

Originally, it was possible for krogan to become biotics through
surgery, but there was a high mortality rate. Since the genophage has
already decimated krogan numbers, this practice has been discontinued.

If Lawson heard about the procedure, he could have had it adapted for use in his daughter. If it worked, he could have a biotic superwoman. If she died, he could always make another daughter.

[jtav]

Something else I'm curious about. We know Lawson likely considered his daughter defective in some way because she talks about Oriana being created to "replace" her. How did Miranda fail to measure up? The only thing I can think of is her biotic abilities not meeting his standards, but Miranda does seem to be proud of them.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Something else I'm curious about. We know Lawson likely considered his daughter defective in some way because she talks about Oriana being created to "replace" her. How did Miranda fail to measure up? The only thing I can think of is her biotic abilities not meeting his standards, but Miranda does seem to be proud of them.

Oriana is genetically identical to Miranda, so the difference must have been something not determined by genes. It could have been biotic potential, but unless he found a method to produce biotic potential more reliably Oriana would be just as much of a gamble as Miranda had been. I think he may have considered Miranda too rebellious, and Oriana would have been brought up differently had she remained in his hands.
There's also the matter of time: did she run away and take Oriana with her, or did she run away and come back later for Oriana? If it's the latter, then Oriana could have been created to replace her because she was no longer available.

BTW:
I agree with your scenario of how Miranda acquired her biotic power. This scenario also makes it possible to produce biotics in a more controlled and less ethically problematic manner in future.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 mai 2010 - 04:02 .

[jtav]

That's possible. Niket didn't know about Oriana, which suggests she was taken later. If that's true, I'd be curious what forms Miranda's rebellion took and what finally pushed her to run away and made her so determined to keep Oriana away from him. Your "attempted rape" theory is starting to look scarily plausible.

[Ashton808]

I just romanced Miranda again.





Hurray!

[RonDV614]

It'd be nice to have a renegade interrrupt so you could spank that **** during the lovemaking scene.

[Ieldra]

^^Miranda is not amused.


@Ashton808:
Hard to stay away from her, isn't it? My three femSheps have three different LIs. My three maleSheps only one...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 mai 2010 - 04:59 .

[jtav]

I just had an epiphany.. Miranda (and Tali to a degree) are my avatars for this series. Other people emotionally invest in Shepard. I invest in Miranda. When I think of Shepard at all, it's in relation to those two. In other news, water is wet.

[TheSixthghoul]

I wonder how old Mirandas father is, he seems to have a lot of time on his hands to waste making copies of himself waiting for them to grow up. On a side note what if Mirandas father was an android with human memory and DNA imprints, wouldn't that be a twist? Oh, and afternoon everybody!

[jtav]

I don't have the difficulty Ieldra does staying away from her (can't shake the feeling she could do better) but I do miss her.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I just had an epiphany.. Miranda (and Tali to a degree) are my avatars for this series. Other people emotionally invest in Shepard. I invest in Miranda. When I think of Shepard at all, it's in relation to those two. In other news, water is wet.

It's not as extreme with me, but it goes in the same direction. When I think how ME3 might go or not, it's at least as painful to imagine an ME3 without Miranda in a significant role as it is to imagine not being able to import my ME2 Shepards.

And yes, this is just about as self-evident as that water is wet.

I think I already mentioned that I sometimes identify with Miranda.... strange for a man, I've been told, but an old story with me. There was only one one game protagonist or NPC that got to me like Miranda, and that was my (also female) Rune Warrior in Spellforce 1 and its two expansion/sequels - that game came out 2003, and I'm still a fan.

[jtav]

I had a Revan like that. Can still hear his voice in my head. But Miranda takes it to a whole other level. I want to know all about her: her backstory, her relationships with other NPCs. But, curiously, I'd rather make it up for myself than have Bioware tell me. I have an astonishingly intricate version of Miranda in my head. Really, I have several. I don't subject her to all the trauma I've ever come up with. I pick and choose.

[Ieldra]

Anyone here?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 mai 2010 - 07:16 .

[jtav]

I'm here. Thinking. Way too many ideas for my own good.

[jtav]

My tendency to show affection to characters by doing cruel things to them in fiction is getting me in trouble again. You guys get it, right?

[Ieldra]

I'll have to say good night for today. Hope yet another Miranda picture isn't counted as spam. Three per page is less than we've had.



@jtav:
It's OK. I think we'll tell you if you go too far.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 mai 2010 - 08:21 .