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[Caihn]

jlb524 wrote...

Does anyone here roleplay different Shepards but romance the same person? I do.

I do, with Miranda.

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...
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But they're all attracted to Miranda and have not half an eye for Tali or Jack.

Like my sheps.

[jlb524]

That's cool. I think certain LIs and romances can fit well with differing personalities and types of Shepards, while some others just seems to go so well with a specific type. To me, it seems Miranda can go well with different Shepards...Paragons, Renegades, something in between.

[Caihn]

I love playing Paragon and Paragade Shepards with Miranda.

[Ieldra]

jlb524 wrote...
That's cool. I think certain LIs and romances can fit well with differing personalities and types of Shepards, while some others just seems to go so well with a specific type. To me, it seems Miranda can go well with different Shepards...Paragons, Renegades, something in between.

Yes, Miranda is adaptable. But I think both extremes would put her off. I'd not play a Shepard with less than half of the lower of the Paragon and Renegade bars filled at the end and romance Miranda. All my Shepards tend to have this "take no bullsh*t" attitude that results in quite a few minor Renegade decisions. They vary mostly in the bigger decisions.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 juin 2010 - 06:55 .

[Ieldra]

Here's a Miranda question:



How much of her emotional detachment, do you think, did Miranda have when she was 16?

[jtav]

I think she was always fairly detached by nature, though I think she might have been slightly more emotional and willing to pen up as long as the other person did something to prove themselves first.

[TheSixthghoul]

We had a good time I think on this Miranda support thread.True we could have maintianed maybe stayed by bashing and comparing other characters for a few hundred page(like other support threads.) Maybe,closed down three or four times for being off topic and spamming. But, you stayed to your guns page to page burning almost every topic to this very last second. Oh well! We had a good run...

[sumoaltus]

I've had about four playthroughs now on ME1 and 2. I keep running into this problem though. I always romance Ash in ME1, and I tell myself, just forget about the other women in ME2 and stick with Ash.



But oddly enough, I keep finding myself romancing Miri again and again. I just feel so sorry for her character because she seems very misunderstood. It seems as if she has been used as a tool most of her life so she really has no other option but to act radically offensive and defensive against anyone who is in her way. It's obvious she feels threatened.



But when you finaly get through to her character and dig down deep and find her vulnerabilities, it makes her just that much more lovable.

[Ieldra]

sumoaltus wrote...
I've had about four playthroughs now on ME1 and 2. I keep running into this problem though. I always romance Ash in ME1, and I tell myself, just forget about the other women in ME2 and stick with Ash.

But oddly enough, I keep finding myself romancing Miri again and again. I just feel so sorry for her character because she seems very misunderstood. It seems as if she has been used as a tool most of her life so she really has no other option but to act radically offensive and defensive against anyone who is in her way. It's obvious she feels threatened.

But when you finaly get through to her character and dig down deep and find her vulnerabilities, it makes her just that much more lovable.

It is surprising how often we hear this: "I keep finding myself romancing Miranda, even though I planned to do something else". 
But I think you misinterpret her character. First, I do not consider her behavior "radically offensive", and neither "defensive" in the way that term is usually understood. Second, as hard as it is to believe for some people, there are people who are naturally more detached adn tend to keep their distance from others. Her history has probably augmented this tendency, but she seems comfortable with it, and equally comfortable with opening up a bit more after her loyalty mission. Only when you come so close that a romance "threatens", then there will be an internal conflict.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I think she was always fairly detached by nature, though I think she might have been slightly more emotional and willing to pen up as long as the other person did something to prove themselves first.

Sounds about right.

Does anyone else think Miranda and Niket might have been in love once? Considering they met as teenagers, and Miranda apparently had almost no other friends, it seems almost inevitable. Too bad we don't know much about Niket's background.  

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I think she was always fairly detached by nature, though I think she might have been slightly more emotional and willing to pen up as long as the other person did something to prove themselves first.

Sounds about right.

Does anyone else think Miranda and Niket might have been in love once? Considering they met as teenagers, and Miranda apparently had almost no other friends, it seems almost inevitable. Too bad we don't know much about Niket's background.  

I do beleive Niket was the first person Miri had strong feelings for. So far we have only seen three people that Miri had strong feelings for.

Niket
Jacob
Shepard

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Does anyone here roleplay different Shepards but romance the same person? I do.

Definitely. My maleSheps always romance Miranda, and I have three of them, with one being more Paragon and having destroyed the base (that was painful) while the others vary in Paragade/Renegon and a few minor decisions but kept the base. They also have different backgrounds, look different, prefer different casual clothing and have different classes (Adept, Infiltrator, Sentinel). But they're all attracted to Miranda and have not half an eye for Tali or Jack.

i try but i just can't stick with being paragon - goody-two-shoeing my way around really just doesn't suit me. i always romance miranda though.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I think she was always fairly detached by nature, though I think she might have been slightly more emotional and willing to pen up as long as the other person did something to prove themselves first.

Sounds about right.

Does anyone else think Miranda and Niket might have been in love once? Considering they met as teenagers, and Miranda apparently had almost no other friends, it seems almost inevitable. Too bad we don't know much about Niket's background.  

no, i definitely got a more fraternal vibe from niket, not romantic.

[jtav]

I got strong platonic vibes as well. That doesn't preclude them from experimenting a bit. They were teens and it sounds like he was the only boy available.



Took Miranda on the Purgatory and heard some new dialogue. Apparently, Cerberus puts out a bounty on Jack every time she gets free. Miranda mentions that Jack has destroyed Cerberus property and killed their personnel and makes it sound as if she does this every chance she gets. So, she knew beforehand that Jack had history with Cerberus. I can see her privately doubting TIM's wisdom in giving Shep the dossier, though she'd never dare say anything publicly.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I got strong platonic vibes as well. That doesn't preclude them from experimenting a bit. They were teens and it sounds like he was the only boy available.

The solution. Thank you!

Took Miranda on the Purgatory and heard some new dialogue. Apparently, Cerberus puts out a bounty on Jack every time she gets free. Miranda mentions that Jack has destroyed Cerberus property and killed their personnel and makes it sound as if she does this every chance she gets.

You really missed that before? Who did you take to the Purgatory?

So, she knew beforehand that Jack had history with Cerberus. I can see her privately doubting TIM's wisdom in giving Shep the dossier, though she'd never dare say anything publicly.

Most of my Shepards would agree with her. Jack is a loose cannon, though surprisingly controlled at times. I always feel better if she doesn't survive the suidice mission. There are several not-so-stupid ways to get rid of her, but I don't like killing anyone on purpose, and it feels that way regardless of roleplaying. So she survives in all but two of my games - and in one it really was an accident.  

[Collider]

I gather you would not have recruited Jack given the choice, Ieldra?

[jtav]

My pleasure Ieldra. And, yes. I really missed it. This is my fourth playthrough, and I think I took Garrus and Mordin the last couple of times, and I didn't explore all dialogue my first time through.



I wouldn't recruit Jack either, given the choice. I know this is unfair, but I have trouble conceiving of her as a rational moral agent who is responsible for her own actions.

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...
I gather you would not have recruited Jack given the choice, Ieldra?

It's not as if I can't appreciate her as a character. But in the role of my Shepards, I consider her too unstable for the mission we've got in ME2 (though she disproves that if you select her as biotic specialist), and I don't want her on a rampage at the start of ME3 to deliver her promise to Miranda. If I had the option, some of my Shepards wouldn't have recruited her, yes. On the other side, I'd miss out on the Miranda/Jack scene and couldn't kick Warden Kuril's ass, so...hmm...

[Prudii Aden]

Ieldra - agreed. Certainly in my last playthrough I was hoping she'd kark it at the hold the line stage, especially as she wasn't loyal (I sided with Miranda and didn't use the Paragon/Renegade option). She didn't though - I'm trying to decide whether or not to replay the last section of the suicide mission so I can a)catch Miranda (never been able to do so thus far) and b)get rid of Jack

[jtav]

I keep saying this but I wish I could force Miranda and Jack to realize how similar they are.

[Ieldra]

Prudii Aden wrote...
Ieldra - agreed. Certainly in my last playthrough I was hoping she'd kark it at the hold the line stage, especially as she wasn't loyal (I sided with Miranda and didn't use the Paragon/Renegade option). She didn't though - I'm trying to decide whether or not to replay the last section of the suicide mission so I can a)catch Miranda (never been able to do so thus far) and b)get rid of Jack

I got this by accident: (1) Sided with Miranda in the "disagreement". (2) Left Zaeed and Kasumi unrecruited, (3) Jack as biotic specialist -> Garrus carried away by seeker swarm, (4) Grunt died as distraction team leader, (5) Everyone else not already dead (except Jack) was loyal. Result: Jack died at holding the line.

Really, I wonder if we'll see Jack attacking Miranda in ME3 if both survive, particularly if you don't destroy the base and Miranda remains with Cerberus.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 juin 2010 - 01:38 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I keep saying this but I wish I could force Miranda and Jack to realize how similar they are.

Hmm. I'm not sure why you'd say that. How they are at present seems not at all similar, in spite of some emotional traumata in both their histories....

[Jebel Krong]

i'd never have recruited jack if she wasn't mandatory: you'd never trust her character, let alone on a suicide mission, and she's totally unlikeable, i would have killed her myself.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I keep saying this but I wish I could force Miranda and Jack to realize how similar they are.

Hmm. I'm not sure why you'd say that. How they are at present seems not at all similar, in spite of some emotional traumata in both their histories....

They were raised by people who viewed them, not as children, but as something that could be molded into either the perfect biotic or the perfect woman. Both are emotionally guarded and somewhat fearful of making themselves emotionally vulnerable, though Jack takes it to a pathological level. They both expect to be used by others for their abilities. Miranda embraces this because she believes her value is tied to her usefulness, as opposed to anything intrinsic.