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[padaE]

Valmy wrote...

Miranda is the head operative for the Lazarus Cell but Shepard is her superior....up to a point I presume.

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Yeah, that's it.
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The Illusive Man actually gave the order to Miranda, and she refused. 

[Jskills023]

padaE wrote...

I wonder what kind of missions Miranda did before Project Lazarus. I mean, it's clearly the most risky project in Cerberus history and she was the one in charge, more than enought to realize she is the best Cerberus agent.

Well there's that mission to recruit Jacob and stop a attack on the citadel with him in Mass Effect Galaxy.

[padaE]

Jskills023 wrote...

padaE wrote...

I wonder what kind of missions Miranda did before Project Lazarus. I mean, it's clearly the most risky project in Cerberus history and she was the one in charge, more than enought to realize she is the best Cerberus agent.

Well there's that mission to recruit Jacob and stop a attack on the citadel with him in Mass Effect Galaxy.

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Yeah I know that one. Never actually played Galaxy, just read about the history. 

[ExtremeOne]

Valmy wrote...

Miranda is the head operative for the Lazarus Cell but Shepard is her superior....up to a point I presume.

 


He is her Commanding officer on the Normandy but the game never really goes into detail about him answering to her as far as the Mission goes the closest we get is when you take her with you to get Jack out and Shepard makes that deal with Jack about the files Miranda says you are not allowed to give her the files. there is a reason why she is 1st officer on the Normandy. She can tell Shepard what to do but the game never allows it 

[Jskills023]

padaE wrote...

Jskills023 wrote...

padaE wrote...

I wonder what kind of missions Miranda did before Project Lazarus. I mean, it's clearly the most risky project in Cerberus history and she was the one in charge, more than enought to realize she is the best Cerberus agent.

Well there's that mission to recruit Jacob and stop a attack on the citadel with him in Mass Effect Galaxy.

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Yeah I know that one. Never actually played Galaxy, just read about the history. 

I got Galaxy last week for my ipod touch it's ok worth the 1 or 2 dollars,and plus Yvonne is in it voicing Miri,so that's a plus.

[padaE]

 I would buy it if I had one Iphone 

[MegWithAMouth]

ExtremeOne wrote...

None of his friends care about him beside maybe Joker but outside of that  there is no one else. one other thing people forget is that while Shepard is in command of the Normandy he really works for Miranda in the game and edi even says Miranda is in charge of the mission.  people need to start listening to game and instead of holding this mythical grudge against Cerberus from the first game. Miranda is the reason why Shepard has the new Normandy.  

I don't agree with this at all.

It's obvious all of the squadmates from ME1 care about him by their actions in ME2. Ashley/Kaiden was pissed off because Shepard didn't contact her/him. If she/he didn't care, she/he wouldn't have been mad. Liara risked everything to recover his body which she definitely wouldn't have done if she didn't care. Wrex welcomed you to Tuchanka and helped you with Grunt. Garrus and Tali were obviously excited to see you. Just because they didn't personally revive him doesn't mean they didnt care. If any of them had the knowledge and/or resources to do what Cerberus/Miranda did, I'm sure they would have. Saying that they didn't care just because they weren't personally responsible for bringing him back to life isn't really fair at all.

Also, Miranda is Shepard's XO which means she is the second highest in command, but she still serves under him. He worked with Cerberus, but never for them. He made that point explicitly clear. That means Miranda and TIM had no real authority over Shepard. Miranda could have taken control of the ship and/or the mission, in theory, at which point I'm sure Shepard would have pursued his goals on his own. But doing that would have gone against the whole point of reviving Shepard and getting him to work with them so it's really moot.

[Jskills023]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Valmy wrote...

Miranda is the head operative for the Lazarus Cell but Shepard is her superior....up to a point I presume.

 


He is her Commanding officer on the Normandy but the game never really goes into detail about him answering to her as far as the Mission goes the closest we get is when you take her with you to get Jack out and Shepard makes that deal with Jack about the files Miranda says you are not allowed to give her the files. there is a reason why she is 1st officer on the Normandy. She can tell Shepard what to do but the game never allows it 

I agree Bioware missed a point in putting Shep answering to Miri more;Ex.When you go the mission to get the Cerberus agent's file about Cerberus and choose to keep it she dosen't respond to what you did with the file.

[Valmy]

padaE wrote...

 I would buy it if I had one Iphone 

 I wish there was some sort of IPhone simulator for the PC...just to play the games.

[Captain_Goodguy]

padaE wrote...

 I would buy it if I had one Iphone 

So, would you do if you had 2?

[ExtremeOne]

MegWithAMouth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

None of his friends care about him beside maybe Joker but outside of that  there is no one else. one other thing people forget is that while Shepard is in command of the Normandy he really works for Miranda in the game and edi even says Miranda is in charge of the mission.  people need to start listening to game and instead of holding this mythical grudge against Cerberus from the first game. Miranda is the reason why Shepard has the new Normandy.  

I don't agree with this at all.

It's obvious all of the squadmates from ME1 care about him by their actions in ME2. Ashley/Kaiden was pissed off because Shepard didn't contact her/him. If she/he didn't care, she/he wouldn't have been mad. Liara risked everything to recover his body which she definitely wouldn't have done if she didn't care. Wrex welcomed you to Tuchanka and helped you with Grunt. Garrus and Tali were obviously excited to see you. Just because they didn't personally revive him doesn't mean they didnt care. If any of them had the knowledge and/or resources to do what Cerberus/Miranda did, I'm sure they would have. Saying that they didn't care just because they weren't personally responsible for bringing him back to life isn't really fair at all.

Also, Miranda is Shepard's XO which means she is the second highest in command, but she still serves under him. He worked with Cerberus, but never for them. He made that point explicitly clear. That means Miranda and TIM had no real authority over Shepard. Miranda could have taken control of the ship and/or the mission, in theory, at which point I'm sure Shepard would have pursued his goals on his own. But doing that would have gone against the whole point of reviving Shepard and getting him to work with them so it's really moot.

 


I can see why you disagree with me. Edi saying that Miranda is in charge of the mission has some meaning its the game's fault that it does not carry any weight or meaning. in ME 1 Shepard answered to Captain Anderson on board the original Normandy. the game is has a huge plot hole in it 

[Rathias0114]

MegWithAMouth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

None of his friends care about him beside maybe Joker but outside of that  there is no one else. one other thing people forget is that while Shepard is in command of the Normandy he really works for Miranda in the game and edi even says Miranda is in charge of the mission.  people need to start listening to game and instead of holding this mythical grudge against Cerberus from the first game. Miranda is the reason why Shepard has the new Normandy.  

I don't agree with this at all.

It's obvious all of the squadmates from ME1 care about him by their actions in ME2. Ashley/Kaiden was pissed off because Shepard didn't contact her/him. If she/he didn't care, she/he wouldn't have been mad. Liara risked everything to recover his body which she definitely wouldn't have done if she didn't care. Wrex welcomed you to Tuchanka and helped you with Grunt. Garrus and Tali were obviously excited to see you. Just because they didn't personally revive him doesn't mean they didnt care. If any of them had the knowledge and/or resources to do what Cerberus/Miranda did, I'm sure they would have. Saying that they didn't care just because they weren't personally responsible for bringing him back to life isn't really fair at all.

It should also be noted - I don't think a project as... unique as the Lazarus project had been pursued before Shepard - or else the research would've been there and the whole process would've taken less than two years.

Normally, when you die - people think you're going to stay dead - so they choose to move on. Like Meg pointed out though. You don't just go off and running, trying to find a way to bring him back when you saw him get spaced and nearly destroyed by the atmospheric reentry. 

If anything, Liara showed the most loyalty to Shepard - she deserves a LOT of credit. Had it not been for her, I'm positive ME2 would have not taken place. 

[ExtremeOne]

Jskills023 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Valmy wrote...

Miranda is the head operative for the Lazarus Cell but Shepard is her superior....up to a point I presume.

 


He is her Commanding officer on the Normandy but the game never really goes into detail about him answering to her as far as the Mission goes the closest we get is when you take her with you to get Jack out and Shepard makes that deal with Jack about the files Miranda says you are not allowed to give her the files. there is a reason why she is 1st officer on the Normandy. She can tell Shepard what to do but the game never allows it 

I agree Bioware missed a point in putting Shep answering to Miri more;Ex.When you go the mission to get the Cerberus agent's file about Cerberus and choose to keep it she dosen't respond to what you did with the file.

 

I agree they made a huge mistake but yet he answered to Captain Anderson in the first game 

[ExtremeOne]

Rathias0114 wrote...

MegWithAMouth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

None of his friends care about him beside maybe Joker but outside of that  there is no one else. one other thing people forget is that while Shepard is in command of the Normandy he really works for Miranda in the game and edi even says Miranda is in charge of the mission.  people need to start listening to game and instead of holding this mythical grudge against Cerberus from the first game. Miranda is the reason why Shepard has the new Normandy.  

I don't agree with this at all.

It's obvious all of the squadmates from ME1 care about him by their actions in ME2. Ashley/Kaiden was pissed off because Shepard didn't contact her/him. If she/he didn't care, she/he wouldn't have been mad. Liara risked everything to recover his body which she definitely wouldn't have done if she didn't care. Wrex welcomed you to Tuchanka and helped you with Grunt. Garrus and Tali were obviously excited to see you. Just because they didn't personally revive him doesn't mean they didnt care. If any of them had the knowledge and/or resources to do what Cerberus/Miranda did, I'm sure they would have. Saying that they didn't care just because they weren't personally responsible for bringing him back to life isn't really fair at all.

It should also be noted - I don't think a project as... unique as the Lazarus project had been pursued before Shepard - or else the research would've been there and the whole process would've taken less than two years.

Normally, when you die - people think you're going to stay dead - so they choose to move on. Like Meg pointed out though. You don't just go off and running, trying to find a way to bring him back when you saw him get spaced and nearly destroyed by the atmospheric reentry. 

If anything, Liara showed the most loyalty to Shepard - she deserves a LOT of credit. Had it not been for her, I'm positive ME2 would have not taken place. 

 


with all due respect to Liara all she did was get Shepard's body away from the Shadow Broker. She did not do all the work that Miranda did in bringing him back. I am sorry but the credit goes to Miranda.  

[Captain_Goodguy]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Jskills023 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Valmy wrote...

Miranda is the head operative for the Lazarus Cell but Shepard is her superior....up to a point I presume.

 


He is her Commanding officer on the Normandy but the game never really goes into detail about him answering to her as far as the Mission goes the closest we get is when you take her with you to get Jack out and Shepard makes that deal with Jack about the files Miranda says you are not allowed to give her the files. there is a reason why she is 1st officer on the Normandy. She can tell Shepard what to do but the game never allows it 

I agree Bioware missed a point in putting Shep answering to Miri more;Ex.When you go the mission to get the Cerberus agent's file about Cerberus and choose to keep it she dosen't respond to what you did with the file.

 

I agree they made a huge mistake but yet he answered to Captain Anderson in the first game 

But right before you go on the Normandy(after becoming a Spectre) Anderson and Udina say you dont answer to the Alliance anymore.

[Valmy]

ExtremeOne wrote...
I can see why you disagree with me. Edi saying that Miranda is in charge of the mission has some meaning its the game's fault that it does not carry any weight or meaning. in ME 1 Shepard answered to Captain Anderson on board the original Normandy. the game is has a huge plot hole in it 

Yes she is responsible for making sure the mission is a success but Shepard is in charge.

[Rathias0114]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see why you disagree with me. Edi saying that Miranda is in charge of the mission has some meaning its the game's fault that it does not carry any weight or meaning. in ME 1 Shepard answered to Captain Anderson on board the original Normandy. the game is has a huge plot hole in it 

Actually, there is no plot whole.

Shepard answers to no one - save the Illusive Man on the occasional reports to Cerberus. He was GIVEN the ship and GIVEN the crew. While you are right that EDI does confirm that Miranda is in charge of the mission - she is in-charge of providing the resources to make sure it succeeds. Shepard is in charge of USING those resources to make sure they succeed.


In the original ME1 - Shepard answered only to Anderson in the beginning because Anderson, obviously, was the higher rank. When he gained the title of Spectre - he began answering to no one except the Council.

Just replace some words.

When he gained his life back - he began answering to no one except, possibly, The Illusive Man.

[ExtremeOne]

Captain_Goodguy wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Jskills023 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Valmy wrote...

Miranda is the head operative for the Lazarus Cell but Shepard is her superior....up to a point I presume.

 


He is her Commanding officer on the Normandy but the game never really goes into detail about him answering to her as far as the Mission goes the closest we get is when you take her with you to get Jack out and Shepard makes that deal with Jack about the files Miranda says you are not allowed to give her the files. there is a reason why she is 1st officer on the Normandy. She can tell Shepard what to do but the game never allows it 

I agree Bioware missed a point in putting Shep answering to Miri more;Ex.When you go the mission to get the Cerberus agent's file about Cerberus and choose to keep it she dosen't respond to what you did with the file.

 

I agree they made a huge mistake but yet he answered to Captain Anderson in the first game 

But right before you go on the Normandy(after becoming a Spectre) Anderson and Udina say you dont answer to the Alliance anymore.

 


you are right my mistake on that. but the game should have either explained the line Edi made about Miranda being in charge in better detail or they should have removed it all together. you just do not put a line like that in the game with no explaining or meaning behind it 

[Rathias0114]

ExtremeOne wrote...


with all due respect to Liara all she did was get Shepard's body away from the Shadow Broker. She did not do all the work that Miranda did in bringing him back. I am sorry but the credit goes to Miranda.  

In terms of bringing him back - you are correct, all the credit does go for Miranda.

But Miranda wouldn't have a body if it wasn't for Liara's loyalty. Had Liara not been as loyal as she was to Shepard, she would not have placed herself in the position that she did against the Shadow Broker to make sure she recovered her body.

Without Liara, there wouldn't have been a Lazarus project. Everything has a base - just because someone didn't have a direct hand in it doesn't mean they don't deserve any of the credit.

[ExtremeOne]

Rathias0114 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I can see why you disagree with me. Edi saying that Miranda is in charge of the mission has some meaning its the game's fault that it does not carry any weight or meaning. in ME 1 Shepard answered to Captain Anderson on board the original Normandy. the game is has a huge plot hole in it 

Actually, there is no plot whole.

Shepard answers to no one - save the Illusive Man on the occasional reports to Cerberus. He was GIVEN the ship and GIVEN the crew. While you are right that EDI does confirm that Miranda is in charge of the mission - she is in-charge of providing the resources to make sure it succeeds. Shepard is in charge of USING those resources to make sure they succeed.


In the original ME1 - Shepard answered only to Anderson in the beginning because Anderson, obviously, was the higher rank. When he gained the title of Spectre - he began answering to no one except the Council.

Just replace some words.

When he gained his life back - he began answering to no one except, possibly, The Illusive Man.

 


then Bioware should have had the line removed. 

[ExtremeOne]

Rathias0114 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...


with all due respect to Liara all she did was get Shepard's body away from the Shadow Broker. She did not do all the work that Miranda did in bringing him back. I am sorry but the credit goes to Miranda.  

In terms of bringing him back - you are correct, all the credit does go for Miranda.

But Miranda wouldn't have a body if it wasn't for Liara's loyalty. Had Liara not been as loyal as she was to Shepard, she would not have placed herself in the position that she did against the Shadow Broker to make sure she recovered her body.

Without Liara, there wouldn't have been a Lazarus project. Everything has a base - just because someone didn't have a direct hand in it doesn't mean they don't deserve any of the credit.

 


then Liara deserves credit for what she did in getting Shepard's body. 

[keegdarv1]

Wait how does Sheaprd answer to Miranda on Jacks mission? I mean she states that Shepard cant do that when hes make the deal with Jack back once back on the Normandy he still does and while Mirandas not happy about it she accepts it.



And you do remember at the beginning of the game on the way to Freedoms Progess Shepard can ask about whos in charge and its stated that TIM made it a matter of fact that Shepards in charge and in almost every email TIM sends if Sheoard did something like waking up Grunt or Legion he may not agree with the choice but Shepard in charge and its his ship

[Rathias0114]

@Extreme;



No, because you being too analytical of the line and not seeing the base meaning behind it doesn't mean it should be removed.



Miranda is the lead of the Lazarus cell - that is a solid fact. EDI provides facts.

[Captain_Goodguy]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Captain_Goodguy wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Jskills023 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Valmy wrote...

Miranda is the head operative for the Lazarus Cell but Shepard is her superior....up to a point I presume.

 


He is her Commanding officer on the Normandy but the game never really goes into detail about him answering to her as far as the Mission goes the closest we get is when you take her with you to get Jack out and Shepard makes that deal with Jack about the files Miranda says you are not allowed to give her the files. there is a reason why she is 1st officer on the Normandy. She can tell Shepard what to do but the game never allows it 

I agree Bioware missed a point in putting Shep answering to Miri more;Ex.When you go the mission to get the Cerberus agent's file about Cerberus and choose to keep it she dosen't respond to what you did with the file.

 

I agree they made a huge mistake but yet he answered to Captain Anderson in the first game 

But right before you go on the Normandy(after becoming a Spectre) Anderson and Udina say you dont answer to the Alliance anymore.

 


you are right my mistake on that. but the game should have either explained the line Edi made about Miranda being in charge in better detail or they should have removed it all together. you just do not put a line like that in the game with no explaining or meaning behind it 

I think its more she is keeping an eye on Shep. For example when you talk to her, asking her about her duties has Shep saying something like"Besides keeping an eye on me...". Also at the end if you blow the base TIM tells her to stop you. See what I mean. Miranda is clearly TIM's most trusted agent so he puts her on the Normandy to protect his "investment".

[Rathias0114]

keegdarv1 wrote...

Wait how does Sheaprd answer to Miranda on Jacks mission? I mean she states that Shepard cant do that when hes make the deal with Jack back once back on the Normandy he still does and while Mirandas not happy about it she accepts it.

And you do remember at the beginning of the game on the way to Freedoms Progess Shepard can ask about whos in charge and its stated that TIM made it a matter of fact that Shepards in charge and in almost every email TIM sends if Sheoard did something like waking up Grunt or Legion he may not agree with the choice but Shepard in charge and its his ship

Miranda says the line because he's giving someone who's not in Cerberus access to highly classified files that he has no say if can be seen or not, him not being a member of Cerberus himself.