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Guardian295 wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

Nadia73 wrote...



besides ME 2 and heavy rain, what else are you guys playing?


Oh, y'know...got into a beta test for an obscure Real-Time Strategy Game coming out in a bit...a small, obscure, title....dunno how many people have heard of it...begins in S....ends in "tarcraft 2."


Whats it like


Well, it's interesting. A lot of RTS games have tried to innovate and change things by getting rid of base-building (DoW2/C&C4), RPG elements (DoW2/WC3), strategic zoom (SupCom), cover system (CoH, which I liked quite a lot.)

Starcraft 2 does none of that. It's very much a back-to-basics RTS. You gather resources, build your base, amass a bunch of mans, and go kill the other guy's base. It's just a straight-up good game without any frills or gimmicks.

Playing the beta is a little frustrating because balance tinkering is pretty frenquent. It is, however, more stable then most PC games I've bought in the past year.

(Also, I want my Blizzard/Bioware Ultimate Developer Team-Up.)

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I finished My second female shepard run on ME 2

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ComTrav wrote...

Guardian295 wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

Nadia73 wrote...



besides ME 2 and heavy rain, what else are you guys playing?


Oh, y'know...got into a beta test for an obscure Real-Time Strategy Game coming out in a bit...a small, obscure, title....dunno how many people have heard of it...begins in S....ends in "tarcraft 2."


Whats it like


Well, it's interesting. A lot of RTS games have tried to innovate and change things by getting rid of base-building (DoW2/C&C4), RPG elements (DoW2/WC3), strategic zoom (SupCom), cover system (CoH, which I liked quite a lot.)

Starcraft 2 does none of that. It's very much a back-to-basics RTS. You gather resources, build your base, amass a bunch of mans, and go kill the other guy's base. It's just a straight-up good game without any frills or gimmicks.

Playing the beta is a little frustrating because balance tinkering is pretty frenquent. It is, however, more stable then most PC games I've bought in the past year.

(Also, I want my Blizzard/Bioware Ultimate Developer Team-Up.)


Thats good I loved the first one but was afraid they would try to "fancy up" the sequel it's good to hear they are sticking with the basics

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Also: Probably will cancel my Supreme Commander 2 pre-order, just needed an RTS fix to tide me over to Starcraft 2 and now...well....



Also need to finish my DAO Mage (who is at Landsmeet), so I have at least two character to take into awakening. (Wanted to do a human noble or dwarf commoner, but doubt I'll have time for a good, 'completionist' playthrough before awakening. Pity, I feel like at least ONE "monarch of Ferelden" save is obligatory.)

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Now when i was watching all that poor support threads around, i am even more certain that this is the best support thread in the whole galaxy. Miranda FTW!

(i feel pity for other fans and their little clubs. they've got nothing to discuss about. no pics either.)

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Annjul666 wrote...

Now when i was watching all that poor support threads around, i am even more certain that this is the best support thread in the whole galaxy. Miranda FTW!
(i feel pity for other fans and their little clubs. they've got nothing to discuss about. no pics either.)

The Talimancers have their delusional Space Elf fanart...

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i didnt get that. space elf? xD

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:lol::lol::lol:

I miss the Mako but I'm glad there's no driving in ME 2!

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Annjul666 wrote...

i didnt get that. space elf? xD


There's a lot of fan art around that has Tali unmasked, and she often looks like some kind of fantasy elf.

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Yeah, I like Tali, and I'm not one to bash other threads, but given all the Quarians have had to adapt to life inside suits, the idea of a full head of glorious, perfectly shampooed hair falling from her head seems a little far-fetched.



Miranda definitely has the best hair of any LI (not much competition, though as I've said before, Garrus makes a strong case with the 'stache)



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Annjul666 wrote...

i didnt get that. space elf? xD

A lot of Tali fanart depicts her/Quarians as basically Night Elves from WoW in space.  Hence the moniker, Space Elves.  It's purely delusional, BioWare won't make the Quarians Space Elves, they'll be their own design.

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ComTrav wrote...

Yeah, I like Tali, and I'm not one to bash other threads, but given all the Quarians have had to adapt to life inside suits, the idea of a full head of glorious, perfectly shampooed hair falling from her head seems a little far-fetched.

Miranda definitely has the best hair of any LI (not much competition, though as I've said before, Garrus makes a strong case with the 'stache)

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Anchorturian?

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these guys look rough... I really hope they refine them.



Thane looks... uh, ultra feminine in the face, don't you think?



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Annjul666 wrote...

Now when i was watching all that poor support threads around, i am even more certain that this is the best support thread in the whole galaxy. Miranda FTW!
(i feel pity for other fans and their little clubs. they've got nothing to discuss about. no pics either.)

  


Miranda is voiced and has the face of the best actress on tv right now and thats Yvonne so it also helps as well Miranda is a real woman not some alien girl like Tali is 

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I doubt we'll ever see a Quarian face to be honest. The mystery is part of the appeal for so many people that BioWare will never be able to live up to their expectations.

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ARGH!!!!!! Real life and having to sleep sucks, damnit. Because of them I missed the 200 pages and 700 members celebrations. :crying:

Anyway, Darth, I have a sugestion for the OP. We have a really good character analysis section on it, but I think it could be expanded whenever some good points are made on the thread that are not presented there. Let's face it, we'll never beat the *other* thread in sheer size and numbers, but we can beat it in the quality of our content. ;)

As examples that I'd like to propose be added to the OP in the additional analysis, these two agreements reached during the last day (I'm sure there are more quite worthy, but these two jumped to mind immediately):

Note that IMO each agreement should be kept as presented, not seperate the posts, since together I find the quoted post and the response to add clarity and expand each other.



First example:

MegWithAMouth wrote...

Sleepy Buddha wrote...

I have to disagree with you on this one, Meg.

In my opinion, no one else but Miranda had the mindset necessary to accomplish Shepard's revival, regardless of knowledge or resources. There's a reason TIM chose her for the job instead of doing it himself, especially since it
was the biggest gamble he ever made.

It's an example of mind overmatter. As I see it, the outcome of the project was never in question to Miranda. Her confidence and way of thinking made her really believe she would be successful, in a project that could be the biggest single failure and resource sinkhole in the history of the galaxy, since it had practically zero probability of success, no discernible deadline and a completely fluid budget.

No doubt the others cared for Shepard, but I just don't see any of them having what it takes to accomplish what
Miranda did.


PS: As for knowledge, it didn't exist when Miranda started the project. That was one of the goals of the project,
to figure out how to do it, or if it was even possible at all. That didn't stop her.

You make a good point, Buddha.

I wasn't really thinking about the fact that the knowledge didn't exist even when the Lazarus project was started. Its like Miranda told Shepard... TIM  gave Miranda assignments and told her to do them. He would never say something was impossible because he knew her and what she was capable of. Miranda is definitely the biggest reason Shepard is alive again. There's no disputing that.

That said, I don't think it's fair to say the others didn't care about him enough to put the effort into reviving him, as ExtremeOne stated.

Liara has already shown an extreme dedication to a project once she takes it on (studying the Protheans for as long as she did, for instance). In a lot of ways, she reminds me of Miranda in that regard and I believe if she
were in Miranda's position, she would have done what she could. I don't think she would have been successful though. Because like you said, Buddha, Miranda is the only person in the galaxy who had the confidance and resolve to take on the project and see it through. Liara, or anyone else, would have given up at a certain point, whereas Miranda would have died before even allowing herself to think of that as an option.




Second example:

MegWithAMouth wrote...

keegdarv1 wrote...

Im one of them people that never thought of Miranda as a "ice queen" the "coldness" she shows in the very start I kind of thought came from the fact that she just gave two years of her life to Shepard knows everything thier is to know about him except the person himself, now hes up and alive and my thoughts on Miranda thinking on Shepard at that time were "hes a alliance soilder and will hate and dislike and distrust Cerberus from the start" she wasnt sure how Shepard react or treat it all including herself and until Shepard shows hes apart of the mission fully shes just not sure to trust him

That's an interesting point that I had never considered before, but it makes a lot of sense.

We know Miranda doesn't open herself up emotionally to many people, if anyone. Most of us also agree that she becomes connected to Shepard in more than a professional manner after spending two years getting to know
his body and mind. It would make a lot of sense if she was worried about being nice and making herself vulnerable in any kind of way because she was afraid Shepard would just judge her by her association
with Cerberus.

Thanks for that insight, keegdarv. I can't remember that point ever being brought up before and it's a really valid
one. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]




Hope this is a good sugestion. And congrats to everyone for 200 pages and 700 members in the group. :wizard:





EDIT: I really hate how this forum screws up format on copied content.

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andysilv87 wrote...

I doubt we'll ever see a Quarian face to be honest. The mystery is part of the appeal for so many people that BioWare will never be able to live up to their expectations.


I think about this every time I see a "Character X is ugly" thread. Making an appealing body model is easier then a universally appealing face model.

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Even the teeth are just adorable, aren't they?

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MASS EFFECT LEGO! EPIC! :D

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Nadia...



What do you expect from that company/ I'm quite frankly amazed McFarlane didnt get the rights.

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Yeah, I'm a fan of the rabbit teeth. Kinda cute.

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ComTrav wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

I doubt we'll ever see a Quarian face to be honest. The mystery is part of the appeal for so many people that BioWare will never be able to live up to their expectations.


I think about this every time I see a "Character X is ugly" thread. Making an appealing body model is easier then a universally appealing face model.

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Even the teeth are just adorable, aren't they?

Well they are just like Yvonne's teeth, so hell yes they're adorable!

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Right well Im gonna go play Me2 for a lil while...back laters :)

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DarthReavus wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

I doubt we'll ever see a Quarian face to be honest. The mystery is part of the appeal for so many people that BioWare will never be able to live up to their expectations.


I think about this every time I see a "Character X is ugly" thread. Making an appealing body model is easier then a universally appealing face model.


Even the teeth are just adorable, aren't they?

Well they are just like Yvonne's teeth, so hell yes they're adorable!


Yeah, but I am not sure if they really scanned her teeth as well, but I am not complaining. Anything that comes with box of perfection, is perfect. ^_^


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Well, hard to say, but i wish Miri was more Yvonne... Yvonne is so delicate, pure and .. those eyes, hair.

Miri has too strong/wide jaw and chubby cheeks. Not enough wisps of hair. I dont mind, but Yvonne looks better. Bioware should stick with details.

<waiting impatiently for an attack>

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Annjul666 wrote...

Well, hard to say, but i wish Miri was more Yvonne... Yvonne is so delicate, pure and .. those eyes, hair.
Miri has too strong/wide jaw and chubby cheeks. Not enough wisps of hair. I dont mind, but Yvonne looks better. Bioware should stick with details.

I doubt can get that level of accuracy hair wise with the Unreal Engine.

Other than that the rest is exactly like Yvonne because she was used as the model. Just as Shepherd is Mark van der Loo