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[WindOverTuchanka]

AccursedOdin wrote...

KalenNighteyes wrote...

AccursedOdin wrote...

1)Are we sure that he wanted to turn her into a weapon? I don't think she ever mentioned that bit specifically, for all I/we know, he just might've wanted to make the "perfect person". I could've missed something when I was talking to her, however.

2) I would like to find out what exactly his "dynasty" entails, for all anyone knows, he could be some sort of eccentric geneticist, and needed Miranda to be the face of his dynasty.

All I know is this, good or bad I what to know what exactly he's up to and what he was planning on using Miranda for.

This is true. But obviously he can't be a good person... Why else would Miranda have wanted to get her and her sister away from him. He must have done something she did not like. Just speculation  your points are valid too!

Agreed. I think that should he show up, he's going to be an enemy of some sort, so I'm not really debating him being a good guy so much as what he actually did to Miranda and Oriana, there's alot left unsaid about him, and it's tough to chalk it up to one thing, it might be that "selective memory' Jacob was talking about, or it could just be an omission on Bioware's part.

Like I said, I expect him to be bad, would be pleasantly surprised if he was good.

Man, I love debates!

I'm still typing my exceedingly long and convoluted introductory post. So until it's done I'll just jump straight into discussion...

Niket believes that her father is a good man, and wishes well. Miranda's personal history has colored her opinion of him significantly, and I think she is being too harsh on him. Shots were fired? I can totally see Miri firing her shot first.

Has noone felt that, as much as we want Miri's loyalty, it might have been better for Oriana to make peace with her actual father? It could have turned out better for all we know.

It is also weird that Miranda can take charge of her own life, but does not allow Oriana to.  Oriana is 19 and is of the same genetic stock as Miranda. Has she got an opinion of her own, hmmm? Miri, couldn't you actually, like, ask her?

And, on a completely unrelated note, does this forum have a preview button?

[KalenNighteyes]

Ok everyone... good night. I'm not feeling so well. Got a terribad stuffy nose and feel a little nauseated. See you all tomorrow!

[Andysilv]

Good night Kalen, hope you feel better tomorrow.

[AccursedOdin]

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

I'm still typing my exceedingly long and convoluted introductory post. So until it's done I'll just jump straight into discussion...

Niket believes that her father is a good man, and wishes well. Miranda's personal history has colored her opinion of him significantly, and I think she is being too harsh on him. Shots were fired? I can totally see Miri firing her shot first.

It is entirely possible that Miranda is being too harsh on her father, and I'm certain that we're missing out in the grand scheme of things by not having a chance to talk more about her father, or better yet meet the man himself. But the problem is that we don't get these conversations, we have to take Miri's word on it until we get some kind of confrontation with him.

Has noone felt that, as much as we want Miri's loyalty, it might have been better for Oriana to make peace with her actual father? It could have turned out better for all we know.

It is also weird that Miranda can take charge of her own life, but does not allow Oriana to.  Oriana is 19 and is of the same genetic stock as Miranda. Has she got an opinion of her own, hmmm? Miri, couldn't you actually, like, ask her?

I think that it might be a case of 'older sibling protection'  when it comes to Oriana, I wouldn't be shocked to discover that Miranda didn't think to ask her what she wanted, she felt her sister was in trouble, and simply acted.

Also, I might be wrong, but I think Miranda took Oriana when she was little, she very well might not even remember her actual father.

And, on a completely unrelated note, does this forum have a preview button?

Sadly, the board doesn't have a preview button.

Modifié par AccursedOdin, 19 février 2010 - 07:37 .

[Andysilv]

I wonder what the chances are of a reconciliation between Miranda and her father in ME3? Obviously Miranda would take a lot of convincing but I could see it being a potential way to tie up her story. Of course all of this depends on how evil her father actually is, if he is as bad as she makes out, a bullet between the eyes would suffice.

[AndroLeonidas]

AccursedOdin wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

She doesn't actually say I love you, just "what stupid hormones decided now was the time for love" - It's quite heavily implied that she loves you there though, I'm sure you'll agree.

Yeah, I mean there's really no other way to take that particular line, I was just wondering if I missed a dialogue option somewhere, it appears that I haven't.

I never romanced ashley so I didn't know that. I stayed loyal to Liara on the very first playthrough but have sinced jump ship to Miri exclusively. I was just surprised it took me five playthorughs to actually realize she says love in her statement. Then again... she spent the better part of two years rebuilding you so that makes sense. I just thought it was the clearest and most resounding expression of feeling for Shepard that any of the LIs have made.

Just my opinion of course.

Also... I guessing these missions and such up until the attack on the Collector base must take place over a period of weeks or months. At least that is my take on it.

[AndroLeonidas]

andysilv87 wrote...

I wonder what the chances are of a reconciliation between Miranda and her father in ME3? Obviously Miranda would take a lot of convincing but I could see it being a potential way to tie up her story. Of course all of this depends on how evil her father actually is, if he is as bad as she makes out, a bullet between the eyes would suffice.

What are the possibilities that Miri's father is the SB? That would bring about just a tad bit of angst among several characters don't you think.

[AccursedOdin]

andysilv87 wrote...

I wonder what the chances are of a reconciliation between Miranda and her father in ME3? Obviously Miranda would take a lot of convincing but I could see it being a potential way to tie up her story. Of course all of this depends on how evil her father actually is, if he is as bad as she makes out, a bullet between the eyes would suffice.

I can't really see her willing to reconcile with him, maybe if you romanced her in ME 2 or maybe if you have a crazy high paragon score. Although I have to admit I'd like that option provided that he's not a complete evil d-bag. But if that turns out to be the case, like you said...a bullet between the eyes.

[Flashy91]

Nite All

[AccursedOdin]

Night Flashy!

[Andysilv]

Flashy91 wrote...

Nite All

[ComTrav]

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

It is also weird that Miranda can take charge of her own life, but does not allow Oriana to.  Oriana is 19 and is of the same genetic stock as Miranda. Has she got an opinion of her own, hmmm? Miri, couldn't you actually, like, ask her?

This is an interesting issue. It's also sort of interesting Bioware made her 19, when making her significantly younger would've worked just as well. Which makes me think they've thought of this. (...which makes me think they'll continue this plot thread in ME3, which of course requires Miranda sticking around...) One assumes, however, the Miranda liberated Oriana from her father when she was much younger.

It's interesting that BOTH Miranda and her father are essentially ignoring Oriana's opinion or wishes. Miranda seems to genuinely think that this is the better path for her sister, and she's more then a tool in some game against her father. (That's why she's so moved to go talk to her.) That said, she's not giving Oriana much choice in the matter. And neither is her father. It would be one thing if their father wrote Oriana a nicely-worded email, "aren't you interested in meeting me?" But he shows up with mercenaries, buys off Niket, and plans on forcibly abudcting her.

Oriana's e-mail seems to imply that she approves of Miranda's decision. Who knows, though, she must be at least a LITTLE curious about him...I can see her getting in contact with him as a future plot complication.

[ComTrav]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

What are the possibilities that Miri's father is the SB? That would bring about just a tad bit of angst among several characters don't you think.

If you believe the shadowbroker is human (or even one person.) I'm trying to remember the SB-related conversations in ME1--does the SB predate humanity's arrival in space? (That one Volus has the most information about him.)

[Sledgehammer44mm]

Good night Miranda fans who I've come to know.

Keep up the good fight!

Cheers....

[Andysilv]

ComTrav wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

What are the possibilities that Miri's father is the SB? That would bring about just a tad bit of angst among several characters don't you think.

If you believe the shadowbroker is human (or even one person.) I'm trying to remember the SB-related conversations in ME1--does the SB predate humanity's arrival in space? (That one Volus has the most information about him.)

I can't remember myself but most people talk about how he/she pre-dates humans. Most generally consider him/her to be more than one person too.

[AccursedOdin]

ComTrav wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

What are the possibilities that Miri's father is the SB? That would bring about just a tad bit of angst among several characters don't you think.

If you believe the shadowbroker is human (or even one person.) I'm trying to remember the SB-related conversations in ME1--does the SB predate humanity's arrival in space? (That one Volus has the most information about him.)

I always got a sense that the SB isn't human, and probably isn't even a single entity, but a group of individuals. I also assume that the SB predates humanity's arrival in space simply due to the sheer volume of information the Broker's supposed to have access to, I highly doubt that even a group of wealthy humans could gather the amount of intel that the SB is said to have in the relatively short amount of time humanity has been on the galactic stage.

I also realize that I might be rambling because I'm getting tired..

Modifié par AccursedOdin, 19 février 2010 - 08:03 .

[ComTrav]

Tisiphne wrote...



Dear Dr. Mordin,



I work with this woman. She's a total preppy, corporate b--ch. Whenever we go to a factory or have to walk through the mud, I wear boots and cargo pants, but she wears a white jumpsuit and heels. Somehow she never gets dirty. I think she has a mass effect field that washes her clothes. She's also genetically perfect, something about being a corporate w--re and daddy's little princess.



The problem is, there's this guy we're both after. He's our boss, and he's a real badass. He helped me out at a really bad time in my life, but he might have just been looking out for himself. I have a bad record and Miss Perfect has an office with a view. What should I do?



Thx,

J

Purgatory, Osun

Ninja'd from http://social.biowar...5/index/1304127, but still outrageously funny.

[AccursedOdin]

Great find Com, it gave me a good laugh.



Well, I think it's time for me to go to bed, night everyone!

[Andysilv]

ComTrav wrote...

Tisiphne wrote...

Dear Dr. Mordin,

I work with this woman. She's a total preppy, corporate b--ch. Whenever we go to a factory or have to walk through the mud, I wear boots and cargo pants, but she wears a white jumpsuit and heels. Somehow she never gets dirty. I think she has a mass effect field that washes her clothes. She's also genetically perfect, something about being a corporate w--re and daddy's little princess.

The problem is, there's this guy we're both after. He's our boss, and he's a real badass. He helped me out at a really bad time in my life, but he might have just been looking out for himself. I have a bad record and Miss Perfect has an office with a view. What should I do?

Thx,
J
Purgatory, Osun

Ninja'd from http://social.biowar...5/index/1304127, but still outrageously funny.

Ha ha, that is pretty funny.

EDIT: Goodnight, Odin.

Modifié par andysilv87, 19 février 2010 - 08:12 .

[WindOverTuchanka]

ComTrav wrote...

It's interesting that BOTH Miranda and her father are essentially ignoring Oriana's opinion or wishes. It would be one thing if their father wrote Oriana a nicely-worded email, "aren't you interested in meeting me?" But he shows up with mercenaries, buys off Niket, and plans on forcibly abudcting her.

Wait, wait... on my playthrough it was implied that Niket was not bought off. It was his own initiative - he actually believed that Oriana  is better off with her father. The Father was unaware of the whole affair (and it seems that he has moved on, so Niket was just stirring up old wounds).
And  there was a hint of doubt in Miri's voice when she answered Niket.  He made a strong point.
I think I have a save right before this conversation, would not hurt to go back and check what happens if you side with Niket in this loyalty mission full of shades of grey. Can you even do this? Will she be disloyal?

[DarthReavus]

Morning all. As requested I've added that bit of concept art to the OP. Nice work on adding another 10 pages while I've been sleeping btw!

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

It's
interesting that BOTH Miranda and her father are essentially ignoring
Oriana's opinion or wishes. It would be one thing if their father wrote
Oriana a nicely-worded email, "aren't you interested in meeting me?"
But he shows up with mercenaries, buys off Niket, and plans on forcibly
abudcting her.

Wait, wait... on my playthrough it
was implied that Niket was not bought off. It was his own initiative -
he actually believed that Oriana  is better off with her father. The
Father was unaware of the whole affair (and it seems that he has moved
on, so Niket was just stirring up old wounds).
And  there was a hint of doubt in Miri's voice when she answered Niket.  He made a strong point.
I
think I have a save right before this conversation, would not hurt to
go back and check what happens if you side with Niket in this loyalty
mission full of shades of grey. Can you even do this? Will she be
disloyal?

You can ask Niket how much Miri's father paid him and he replies " A lot."

Modifié par DarthReavus, 19 février 2010 - 08:23 .

[WindOverTuchanka]

Tisiphne wrote...

Dear Dr. Mordin,

The problem is, there's this guy we're both after. What should I do?

Thx,
J
Purgatory, Osun

Wait, Jack could not have written this. There is not a single swear word in sight. Did Tali edit it for her before sending?

[Snowraptor]

they try so hard to be like tali

[Andysilv]

Snowraptor wrote...

they try so hard to be like tali

[ComTrav]

andysilv87 wrote...

Snowraptor wrote...

they try so hard to be like tali

This is a new one, isn't it?