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[Prudii Aden]

DarthReavus wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

...aren't they asleep?

Probably, but they shouldn't be.  Lazy buggers.... *grumbles a bit more* :innocent:

Can't really blame them for living in the Colonies y'know Darth. 
Good things have come out of there! (Chuck for example!)

[DarthReavus]

Prudii Aden wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

...aren't they asleep?

Probably, but they shouldn't be.  Lazy buggers.... *grumbles a bit more* :innocent:

Can't really blame them for living in the Colonies y'know Darth. 
Good things have come out of there! (Chuck for example!)

I can still grumble about it

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Prudii Aden wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

Here's a couple of new approval pics for you guys to check out.

Still think she looks better in black in that pic, but the moment is classic!

Whilst I agree the issue I have with her doing so is the fact they didn't bother to do the following cut-scene with her wearing the black one, so it just looks a bit silly how when Shep gets down there she is magically in the white.

[DarthReavus]

She did ask Shepard to give her five minutes, maybe she went to change because she didn't want to get the leather too dirty...

[Andysilv]

ComTrav wrote...
"The Wink" is actually one of my favorite Miranda moments.

Absolutely, a great moment.

Here is another image that I can't remember if I've posted in 2.0. I think you'll like this Com as it's another take on the image you requested. As with most of these at the minute, credit for the original image goes to Mavi for his awesome hi-res shots.

[Andysilv]

DarthReavus wrote...

She did ask Shepard to give her five minutes, maybe she went to change because she didn't want to get the leather too dirty...

Yeah, I guess "certain things" wouldn't show up as much on the white one.

[DarthReavus]

andysilv87 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

She did ask Shepard to give her five minutes, maybe she went to change because she didn't want to get the leather too dirty...

Yeah, I guess "certain things" wouldn't show up as much on the white one.

Ahem, I was merely referring to dust and the like, not sure what you're referring too....

As for the following orders pic, I've added that to the OP as well.  The Mavi/andy collaboration seems to be getting good results.

Anyway, sadly I have to go to work, I'll be back in 8 hours or so.  Keep things pleasant while I'm gone, I know what happens when the cat's away...

[Andysilv]

No worries Darth, we'll behave.

[UpLiftingVanguard]

<---Just went through 7 pages of pure Miri loooove to catch up.

[Ieldra]

Here’s yet another wall of text by your favorite writer of lengthy expositions. Best viewed through Firefox and the Bioware forum tweak.

The Making of Miranda – a hypothesis

This little article is inspired by the debate about Miranda’s father. Ever since she told us about him, I have asked myself: what can he have done to inspire a parting where "shots were fired"? Miranda is not an extreme personality, not particularly predisposed to being easily provoked into violent behavior. So I think what he did must have been pretty extreme. On the other side, at some time, Miranda was a teenager, and we all know this is a separate human race prone to explosions of passion and recklessness, exceptions notwithstanding. So, what may have happened? I consider it likely that it had something to do with her father’s tendency to be more than usually controlling, with a desire to control not only his daughter’s physical makeup, but also her personality. The question of what parents are allowed to do to shape their children is nothing new, but better knowledge of the cause and effect in the development of personality traits might just elevate the debate to a new level, and the possibility of genetic engineering only makes it worse.

The physical - genetic makeup and biotic ability

I consider most of Miranda’s enhancements to be generally beneficial, and made with the intent of benefitting her in terms of capability and competence. Enhanced cognitive ability, enhanced physical prowess, enhanced health and attractiveness (I assume he didn’t go so far as to manipulate her pheromone production), all these are things most people would find very desirable. While Miranda may have resented her father for making her feel her achievements are not her own, I can see nothing here to result in a parting involving gunshots. There’s the matter of biotics. We know biotic ability in humans is the result of early exposition to element zero, and we know this often has severe side effects. These side effects seem not to be present in Miranda. It also does not seem likely that she resents her biotic abilities, given the fact that she seems to appreciate all of what she can do and seems quite comfortable with it all. Her doubt in her own achievements doesn’t change this. I can imagine violent arguments between her and her father involving questions like "Why the hell did you make me like this?", but again, basically nothing that would result in a shootout. I conclude that the fact she was physically enhanced by her father was, if any, only a minor factor in their "gunshot parting".

The psychological – shaping of a personality

Genetic predisposition only provides a platform for further development, especially regarding personality aspects. You can be engineered to be as smart or as strong as possible, if you don’t develop your enhanced capabilities, nothing will come from it. Miranda’s father must have wanted to make sure Miranda grew up into the person he wished her to be. To some extent all parents do this, but if we believe Miranda – he paints her father as extremely controlling – he may have gone farther in this than your average parent. If you, as a parent, know exactly which kind of experiences shape a personality in certain ways, you might want to stage such events. This may include painful experiences, as finding yourself inadequate to a situation may well motivate you to do better next time more efficiently than anything else. The right amount of stress may draw out the best in you. Too little, and you’re not challenged, too much, and you break. Now, almost everyone experiences such situations. No doubt Miranda has, too. But she has superior abilities; her father may have thought it required more extreme experiences to draw out the best in her. What if her father staged such events, and she later found out about it? To give an example: In C J Cherryh’s SF trilogy "Cyteen", someone staged a rape for that reason. It need not even be that extreme. Imagine: what would you think if found that your father, who you trusted, had staged extremely painful experiences you had considered the result of nothing more but bad luck or even bad judgment on your own part. Add her father’s absolute refusal to let her go her own way, and I think we have a setup sufficient for a "gunshot parting". I consider it also quite sufficient to make Miranda abduct her sister.

What do you think about this? I refuse to pass final judgment on Miranda's father before having heard this side, but I think my hypothesis fits all the known facts rather well, not that there are that many of them.

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(Three more pages added to the thread while I was writing this. It'll be almost impossible to catch up.... Rath and Meg, I'd like to say something meaningful about your fanfic, but I'd rather wait until I can read it in larger instalments - otherwise it takes too much time).

[Ieldra]

andysilv87 wrote...

This one has my vote for the "official disapproval image". Although it is rather big, perhaps a smaller version would be better....

[Ieldra]

andysilv87 wrote...

Here's a couple of new approval pics for you guys to check out.

I like her facial expression in this one, but the scene in the other one is better. The same expression on her face, but with a lighter background and Miranda in her black outfit, that would be perfect.
EDIT: I just noticed that the same image with Miranda in the black outfit is in the OP. That one is great for an approval pic (even though the background is the same)!

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 février 2010 - 12:02 .

[Prudii Aden]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The Making of Miranda – a hypothesis

Interesting hypothesis Ieldra - I'm also reserving judgement until (if?) we get Miri's father's side, but of the options, I can definately see the trust issue being the one that caused shots to be fired.  After all, finding out that the one person who's been around all your life/ a constant presence set you up to go through those experiences - rather seismic disruption I'd say. As we see from her loyalty mission (and when she first turns up) Miri really doesn't react well to being betrayed. Her father betraying her would be an order of magnitude worse than what she goes through with Niket. 

[Ieldra]

Boilrig wrote...
Miranda is a very nicely played character, she would be great for ME3.

Didn't see you here before, Boilrig. If you're new, here's a belated welcome for you. And of course Miranda and all the Mirimaniacs approve of this post. I refrain from posting the approval pic yet again, it's one or two posts above this one. Imagine it added.

[UpLiftingVanguard]

Just hoping here that either there is not loyalty missions in ME3 and resolving the Father issue, because for me it'll probably end up with Mr Lawson being...dead

[Andysilv]

Ieldra2 wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

Here's a couple of new approval pics for you guys to check out.

I like her facial expression in this one, but the scene in the other one is better. The same expression on her face, but with a lighter background and Miranda in her black outfit, that would be perfect.
EDIT: I just noticed that the same image with Miranda in the black outfit is in the OP. That one is great for an approval pic (even though the background is the same)!

Hmm...

[Ieldra]

andysilv87 wrote...
Hmmm...

:lol:

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ieldra2 wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...
Hmmm...

:lol:

[Andysilv]

Ieldra2 wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

This one has my vote for the "official disapproval image". Although it is rather big, perhaps a smaller version would be better....

Hmm...

[Andysilv]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Haha, I like that. Nice one Ulrich!

[Funker Shepard]

I really REALLY hope we get to see some more Miranda - in ME3 of course, but I'd have nothing against solving her daddy issues in some ME2 DLC/expansion...



In fact, after the Shepard Trilogy is completed, I'd love me some Miri-prequels/sequels!

[gutty47]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The Making of Miranda – a hypothesis
*snip*

The physical - genetic makeup and biotic ability
*snip*

The psychological – shaping of a personality
*snip*

Interesting ideas you have presented. Personally I think that Miranda finding out about Orianna would be most likely to cause shots to be fired. The possibility of being replaced by a younger (and possibly better) you, especially if you take in the idea of being tested, would certainly send someone right over the edge.

I'd love to find out the motivations of Miranda's father because so little information is given about him...

[Funker Shepard]

ComTrav wrote...

...so black costume or white costume?

Timeless question for all Miranda fans.

I guess the white is more... flattering, but I find myself preferring the black one. Maybe it just hits a sweet spot for me, as I like both female scientists and goth/EBM girls.

[redBadger14]

Morning guys

@Ieldra

Very great hypothesis. That needs to be added to your Manifesto