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Arijharn

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gutty47 wrote...

Showing the council as not completely braindead is easily the better option from a story perspective. You can't run a galaxy for so long and not have some sort of intelligence. Someone posted a 'Diary of the Turian Councilor' that described this alternate position and it was a fascinating bit of fanfic. I've lost the link to it though.

I liked that thread and have read it too. If this is actually the way they intend it then I wish they made attempts to hint/nudge in that direction. Alternatively, the game could of been made expressely as Shephard's sense of his surroundings in which stuff like that remains completely invisible to him, but personally I think that falls down in such a rich story driven environment.

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As to having Shepard go off the deepend... I don't think I can properly speculate about how this would work without having more knowledge of the ME3 storyline. If we assume the DA:O style army recruitment then Shepard would need to essentially earn loyalties all over again and it could be integral. Other story ideas would require different levels of involvement.

I agree to a degree. What I wouldn't want to see for example is an 'OR' situation like in DA:O, i.e., you recruit either the Templar's or the Mages, Werewolves or the Dalish. I mean, it's a threat to all sentinent space-faring life, that's a pretty big deal and I admit I'm an incredible optimist in thinking people would unite if only to deal with this and then settle back into their petty disputes.

I'd like to see a situation where the Quarian and the Geth reinforce each other against a Reaper attack for example. Or a Turian warship maneouvres aggressively to close with the enemy forcing the Krogan to cease fire so that they don't potentially divide the Turian centre etc.

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I agree with all these points. Given that Bioware aren't going to tinker much with the engine, completely different outcomes based on both ME1 and ME2 decisions should hopefully be implemented. I'd also like to see detrimental results based on the quarian/geth and krogan/genophage decisions. For example: if Shepard bribes the krogan with the genophage cure, after the reaper battle the krogan could start repopulating at an alarming rate. History repeating itself with the Krogan Rebellions. The quarian and geth could also end in war after the reaper invasion or the geth could be enslaved or even the have the geth destroy the migrant fleet in their own pre-emptive strike (this last one is my personal favourite, the quarians got what they deserved during the Morning War ... but I digress).

I like your final ideas if only there was some reason to prevent that result (I like happy endings, even if it makes me naive in always wanting them... I think they should take more effort to get, but I would hope they're attainable)

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The 'inventive ways' does seem like it would require additional work that would only be in select levels. The warhero and ruthless backgrounds only require combat. Optimistically I would hope for the background levels to be included but the pragmatist in me says it won't happen.

Not necessarily a couple of interactive 'action boxes' like dialogue points or mineral points like in ME2 to cause scripted events to occur... such as the heavy crane rotating, pressing it again when the Maw is underneath it causes it to collapse onto it, smooshing it into paste.

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I've probably missed some points but walls of text are hard to reply to properly and in full.:innocent:


Heh sorry, I just like our conversations ;)

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Well, I'm going to sign off and work on Ch 3... it is refusing to go at a decent clip. Grrr....





Also, I wired the door with layers of traps and lasers... no one is getting through to my lovely ladies. Is that understood?

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*snickers since no-one has yet noticed that the miri they're fighting over is a robotic impostor and that only I have the real deal in my very secure, very well supplied and completely impervious bunker*

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Arijharn wrote...

*snickers since no-one has yet noticed that the miri they're fighting over is a robotic impostor and that only I have the real deal in my very secure, very well supplied and completely impervious bunker*


*coughs*

You mean the bunker I.. uh... borrowed?  Comfy place, though I had to buy chocolate... who doesn't stock chocolate!?!

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Arijharn

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No, my bunker is quite secure and quite separate from your bunker with pretend miri! I'll let you keep her since not everyone can be as lucky as this Collector!



I collect miri's.... *drools*

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Arijharn wrote...

No, my bunker is quite secure and quite separate from your bunker with pretend miri! I'll let you keep her since not everyone can be as lucky as this Collector!

I collect miri's.... *drools*


So that's where all my Miribots disappea.... um, nothing.  I didn't say anything.  Image IPB

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Arijharn wrote...
I liked that thread and have read it too. If this is actually the way they intend it then I wish they made attempts to hint/nudge in that direction. Alternatively, the game could of been made expressely as Shephard's sense of his surroundings in which stuff like that remains completely invisible to him, but personally I think that falls down in such a rich story driven environment.

To be honest, I have no idea what the writers are doing with the council at this point of time. I'm sort of taking it in faith that the writers won't make the council look like complete idiots. Currently I'm thinking that the council is showing a healthy amount of skepticism and that they won't completely reject what Shepard is doing.

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I agree to a degree. What I wouldn't want to see for example is an 'OR' situation like in DA:O, i.e., you recruit either the Templar's or the Mages, Werewolves or the Dalish. I mean, it's a threat to all sentinent space-faring life, that's a pretty big deal and I admit I'm an incredible optimist in thinking people would unite if only to deal with this and then settle back into their petty disputes.

I'd like to see a situation where the Quarian and the Geth reinforce each other against a Reaper attack for example. Or a Turian warship maneouvres aggressively to close with the enemy forcing the Krogan to cease fire so that they don't potentially divide the Turian centre etc.

I like your final ideas if only there was some reason to prevent that result (I like happy endings, even if it makes me naive in always wanting them... I think they should take more effort to get, but I would hope they're attainable)

I completely agree with not having an 'OR' situation. When survival of your species is at stake, theres no time for petty disputes with old enemies... especially if these enemies are willing to provide support. The enemy of my enemy is my friend or so to speak.

Of course it should be possible to get happy endings but I don't think all the galaxies problems should be resolved in one go. Paragon storylines already suffer from the kittens and rainbows and everyone holding hands outcomes. The best result should be a return to something of a status quo but with better diplomatic relations between former enemies. I see the quarian/geth problem being solved in the next game. The two are already on the path to conflict so a resolution is required. Working together is just one way to fix the problem, helping one destroy the other is also a result.

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Not necessarily a couple of interactive 'action boxes' like dialogue points or mineral points like in ME2 to cause scripted events to occur... such as the heavy crane rotating, pressing it again when the Maw is underneath it causes it to collapse onto it, smooshing it into paste.

Highly possible but it requires more time to create the level to get this sort of interaction. Purely combat levels are much faster to create.

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Heh sorry, I just like our conversations ;)

Don't apologise, these wall of texts are what seperate from some other character support threads. :D

I wish these forums had a preview button though.

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@gutty47: that's what I was thinking about too: a more 'politically amicable' status quo. Although in all honesty despite being a paragade I'd like to have the opportunity to royally beat the stuffing out of the Turian councillor... my fingers actually curled into claws around my xbox360 controller when he finger quoted.

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Ok, I have to ask. Have the Taliban infiltrated this thread?



Cause it seems like Taliban infiltrators are impersonating some people.

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Sleepy Buddha wrote...

Ok, I have to ask. Have the Taliban infiltrated this thread?

Cause it seems like Taliban infiltrators are impersonating some people.

I'm unaware of any such thing. What would the evidence be like?

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Hey guys, just checking back in for a second.

Just listening to some Muse for the first time in awhile and I realised how many songs off their newest album could work for a Miranda/Shepard video. "Resistance", "Undisclosed Desires" and "Guiding Light" could all work at least on some level. 

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Arijharn wrote...

@gutty47: that's what I was thinking about too: a more 'politically amicable' status quo. Although in all honesty despite being a paragade I'd like to have the opportunity to royally beat the stuffing out of the Turian councillor... my fingers actually curled into claws around my xbox360 controller when he finger quoted.

An ode to the turian councillor: Frenzal Rhomb - You Can't Move Into My House
A song from my youth... requires the MP3 for the best effect.

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@Ieldra: Some really goofy behavior involving romantic dellusions. :P

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andysilv87 wrote...

Hey guys, just checking back in for a second.
Just listening to some Muse for the first time in awhile and I realised how many songs off their newest album could work for a Miranda/Shepard video. "Resistance", "Undisclosed Desires" and "Guiding Light" could all work at least on some level. 

Undisclosed Desires - I felt this was more of Jack song specifically for these lines:
You trick your lovers
That you're wicked and divine
You may be a sinner
But your innocence is mine

The others sound good but I don't think the lyrics work either.

Maybe I'm being too anal but I've looking for a good Miri/Shep song for a while now. The best one so far: The Wallflowers - Heroes. I've been looking for a violin version of this song (heard it during the Olympics) but with no luck so far. The Wallflowers cover is so far the best I've found.

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Off topic- Andy nice new avatar.

On-topic-  Image IPB

Modifié par Vamp44, 03 mars 2010 - 10:47 .


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Sleepy Buddha wrote...

@Ieldra: Some really goofy behavior involving romantic dellusions. :P


*Cuddles with the sleeping flashy and Miri*

It is not a delusion! 


........................Oi... sticky.

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@ Gutty: I'm not a huge fan of Avenged Sevenfold's ballads but maybe "Seize the Day" could work? I haven't listened to it for quite some time but I thought it was worth suggesting it.



@ Vamp: Thanks. I like it too, enough to part with my old pic anyway.

#9143
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Tristania's "Tender Trip on Earth" flits through my mind with Shep that romanced then VIrmired Ash before finding Miri.

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Kabraxal wrote...

Tristania's "Tender Trip on Earth" flits through my mind with Shep that romanced then VIrmired Ash before finding Miri.

While I doubt that many would find the music to their taste (I don't mind it), lyrically its a good song. I'd love to see someone do an acoustic cover of it though.

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Should Oriana die in ME3 to drive a wedge between Miranda/Shephard (and the Illusive Man)?

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Arijharn wrote...

Should Oriana die in ME3 to drive a wedge between Miranda/Shephard (and the Illusive Man)?

We were discussing this earlier during 'difficult decisions' phase of the thread. The original question was 'Save Oriana or save Miranda?' to which logical conclusion was that neither was a happy ending.

As to if Oriana should die in ME3? This really depends on how its handled. Killing Oriana would have a profound effect Miranda. If she blames Shepard for Oriana's death, then its likely she would leave and head back to Cerberus. If she blames someone else then its likely to drive Shepard and Miranda closer together (I'm assuming Miranda is an LI) simply because she has noone else in her life that she is close to.

Its an interesting dilemma.

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Not sure if I should post this or not, but I'm going to anyway. I was looking for ME2 Myspace layouts and found none so I decided to make one of Shep and Miranda. If you guys use Myspace here ya go:

http://www.pimp-my-p...id=3790909&ds=1

Hope y'all like it regardless if you don't use Myspace.

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andysilv87 wrote...

Hey guys, just checking back in for a second.
Just listening to some Muse for the first time in awhile and I realised how many songs off their newest album could work for a Miranda/Shepard video. "Resistance", "Undisclosed Desires" and "Guiding Light" could all work at least on some level. 


You didn't suggest "I belong to you"? Yeah I know it's been massacred thanks to it's connection to a stupid pathetic soppy teen-cack movie, but it's still cool. Love the 'making of resistance' video where it shows how Matt did the pop sound :lol:

Exo-Genesis (all 3 parts) would be good for ANY kind of Mass Effect video, specially as the story they actually had in mind for it fits Mass Effect like a glove, as explained here

Also Unintended would fit Shep/Miri too...

Anyway... here is some popcorn for everyone to share :wizard:

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Sleepy Buddha wrote...

@Ieldra: Some really goofy behavior involving romantic dellusions. :P


Ah....that. Now that you mention it, it does get somewhat bizarre. I was unaware that this behavior was endemic in the Tali thread, being neither lurker nor poster there. Perhaps it's time to give a notice to our Evil Overlord. You know, these types always appreciate a reason to use their very big guns.

For something more on-topic, I'm writing something about where I think the Miranda romance should go, and in particular where it should not go. Some of the comments here have made me a bit uncomfortable. More perhaps later this day or tomorrow, I don't have much time right now.

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@ Ulrich: I thought you were going to make one using "Invincible"? Did you change your mind?