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[ToshiStation38]

Well, at least he has one more reason to get outta that base alive.

[supafreak1121]

lol true true
 well im off to bed but heres one more pic

[Kabraxal]

Miri o Miri... why can't you be real.



I'm thinking about another Chuck marathon myself. Start at 1 and go until I drop!

[AndroLeonidas]

I got all of season one and two downloaded to disc if anyone is interested. I can send files via email perhaps.

[Flashy91]

**Looks around thread**



Helllooo?



**Echo**



It's too quiet must post pic...

[Canned Bullets]

Well, she's hot, I don't think she supports Cerberus as much if you choose to blow up the Collector base.

[MegWithAMouth]

Flashy91 wrote...

**Looks around thread**

Helllooo?

**Echo**

It's too quiet must post pic...

That was a good episode. Great pic, Flashy.

[Andysilv]

Good morning/evening all. How's it goin peeps?

[MegWithAMouth]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Well, she's hot, I don't think she supports Cerberus as much if you choose to blow up the Collector base.

You're right. She quits Cerberus and cuts off TIMs transmission if you bring her on the final mission and choose to destroy the base. It's pretty awesome.

[Kabraxal]

Ahhh... sweet rebellious Miri... I love you!

[MegWithAMouth]

andysilv87 wrote...

Good morning/evening all. How's it goin peeps?

As you can see, Andy... It's a slow night/morning.

I hope you got plenty of rest after forgoing sleep for the thread's sake yesterday.

[Andysilv]

MegWithAMouth wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

Well, she's hot, I don't think she supports Cerberus as much if you choose to blow up the Collector base.

You're right. She quits Cerberus and cuts off TIMs transmission if you bring her on the final mission and choose to destroy the base. It's pretty awesome.

I love that moment. I've never actually not taken Miranda in my party for the final boss, but from what I've heard you only see her quit if she's with you which is a shame. You'd think they'd work something big like that in for everybody to see.

EDIT: Yep, I'm all caught up now, thanks.

Modifié par andysilv87, 20 février 2010 - 07:22 .

[Canned Bullets]

andysilv87 wrote...

MegWithAMouth wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

Well, she's hot, I don't think she supports Cerberus as much if you choose to blow up the Collector base.

You're right. She quits Cerberus and cuts off TIMs transmission if you bring her on the final mission and choose to destroy the base. It's pretty awesome.

I love that moment. I've never actually not taken Miranda in my party for the final boss, but from what I've heard you only see her quit if she's with you which is a shame. You'd think they'd work something big like that in for everybody to see.

EDIT: Yep, I'm all caught up now, thanks.

Well I didn't bring her along, I just left her there to increase chances of my squad mates surviving. But she sounds supportive if you choose to destroy the base, its gonna be interesting to see what Cerberus does in ME3, maybe the Normandy crew defecting over to the Alliance or becoming its own task force.

Modifié par Canned Bullets, 20 février 2010 - 07:25 .

[MegWithAMouth]

Canned Bullets wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

MegWithAMouth wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

Well, she's hot, I don't think she supports Cerberus as much if you choose to blow up the Collector base.

You're right. She quits Cerberus and cuts off TIMs transmission if you bring her on the final mission and choose to destroy the base. It's pretty awesome.

I love that moment. I've never actually not taken Miranda in my party for the final boss, but from what I've heard you only see her quit if she's with you which is a shame. You'd think they'd work something big like that in for everybody to see.

EDIT: Yep, I'm all caught up now, thanks.

Well I didn't bring her along, I just left her there to increase chances of my squad mates surviving. But she sounds supportive if you choose to destroy the base, its gonna be interesting to see what Cerberus does in ME3, maybe the Normandy crew defecting over to the Alliance or becoming its own task force.

Yeah, it will be interesting to see what happens. There are a lot of possibilities.

[ComTrav]

Ieldra2 wrote...


Here’s yet another wall of text by your favorite writer of lengthy expositions. Best viewed through Firefox and the Bioware forum tweak.

The Making of Miranda – a hypothesis

This little article is inspired by the debate about Miranda’s father. Ever since she told us about him, I have asked myself: what can he have done to inspire a parting where "shots were fired"? Miranda is not an extreme personality, not particularly predisposed to being easily provoked into violent behavior. So I think what he did must have been pretty extreme. On the other side, at some time, Miranda was a teenager, and we all know this is a separate human race prone to explosions of passion and recklessness, exceptions notwithstanding. So, what may have happened? I consider it likely that it had something to do with her father’s tendency to be more than usually controlling, with a desire to control not only his daughter’s physical makeup, but also her personality. The question of what parents are allowed to do to shape their children is nothing new, but better knowledge of the cause and effect in the development of personality traits might just elevate the debate to a new level, and the possibility of genetic engineering only makes it worse.

The physical - genetic makeup and biotic ability

I consider most of Miranda’s enhancements to be generally beneficial, and made with the intent of benefitting her in terms of capability and competence. Enhanced cognitive ability, enhanced physical prowess, enhanced health and attractiveness (I assume he didn’t go so far as to manipulate her pheromone production), all these are things most people would find very desirable. While Miranda may have resented her father for making her feel her achievements are not her own, I can see nothing here to result in a parting involving gunshots. There’s the matter of biotics. We know biotic ability in humans is the result of early exposition to element zero, and we know this often has severe side effects. These side effects seem not to be present in Miranda. It also does not seem likely that she resents her biotic abilities, given the fact that she seems to appreciate all of what she can do and seems quite comfortable with it all. Her doubt in her own achievements doesn’t change this. I can imagine violent arguments between her and her father involving questions like "Why the hell did you make me like this?", but again, basically nothing that would result in a shootout. I conclude that the fact she was physically enhanced by her father was, if any, only a minor factor in their "gunshot parting".

The psychological – shaping of a personality

Genetic predisposition only provides a platform for further development, especially regarding personality aspects. You can be engineered to be as smart or as strong as possible, if you don’t develop your enhanced capabilities, nothing will come from it. Miranda’s father must have wanted to make sure Miranda grew up into the person he wished her to be. To some extent all parents do this, but if we believe Miranda – he paints her father as extremely controlling – he may have gone farther in this than your average parent. If you, as a parent, know exactly which kind of experiences shape a personality in certain ways, you might want to stage such events. This may include painful experiences, as finding yourself inadequate to a situation may well motivate you to do better next time more efficiently than anything else. The right amount of stress may draw out the best in you. Too little, and you’re not challenged, too much, and you break. Now, almost everyone experiences such situations. No doubt Miranda has, too. But she has superior abilities; her father may have thought it required more extreme experiences to draw out the best in her. What if her father staged such events, and she later found out about it? To give an example: In C J Cherryh’s SF trilogy "Cyteen", someone staged a rape for that reason. It need not even be that extreme. Imagine: what would you think if found that your father, who you trusted, had staged extremely painful experiences you had considered the result of nothing more but bad luck or even bad judgment on your own part. Add her father’s absolute refusal to let her go her own way, and I think we have a setup sufficient for a "gunshot parting". I consider it also quite sufficient to make Miranda abduct her sister.

What do you think about this? I refuse to pass final judgment on Miranda's father before having heard this side, but I think my hypothesis fits all the known facts rather well, not that there are that many of them.

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(Three more pages added to the thread while I was writing this. It'll be almost impossible to catch up.... Rath and Meg, I'd like to say something meaningful about your fanfic, but I'd rather wait until I can read it in larger instalments - otherwise it takes too much time).

I hate to quote a wall of text, but it is like 15 pages old. (Wow, we're at 40 pages already?) And "Cyteen" being mentioned, which I liked quite a lot (much better then the follow up, Regenesis, IMO.)

The question of her biotic ability is quite an interesting one. It's a little lore-breaking if you're paying close attention. But you are right, unlike Kaidin, she doesn't seem to have any headaches or issues with it. I actually viewed unlocking biotic potential as a grisly process based on Kaidin in the first game and everything said about Jack and Cerberus's biotics research in ME2. But you are right; although she feels a disconnect from her accomplishments, that's no reason for cool, calculating Miranda to have a "shots were fired" disagreement with her father.

I actually like your basic idea that it must've been some scary defining event to push Miranda 'over the edge' and flee her father. I can see resentment boiling for some time, but there had to be something 'beyond the pale' that provoked a strong response. And Miranda's father does strike me as a 'spare the rod, spoil the child' kind of guy. And it's easy to see how he could stage some traumatic event. Here you have someone who naturally excels physical and mental pursuits; how do you get them to understand CHALLENGE? Or suffering?

A little suprised that you didn't refer to Miranda's line that "there were others." One possibility of something that would put Miranda over the edge was the discovery of the fate of the "beta Mirandas". Or perhaps there's the realization that she's more project then person to him. (Which, interestingly, mirrors her initial attitude towards Shepard.)

[Andysilv]

Hey, Com is here! Thread revitalized.

[ComTrav]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Ok as am having a nightmare in trying to work out how to compress my ending video to a decenty quality yet lower size (2gb or lower) video I've gone and took some screen grabs from it... here is another to add to the 'Miri disapproves' section me thinks.

IMO, works better as a "DO NOT WANT" post..

[Flashy91]

Yea watching her tell TIM to shove it was hilarious and  at the same time...
Nite all

Edit: Com would get on when I'm leaving  Oh wellz Hi and Bye Com!

Modifié par Flashy91, 20 février 2010 - 07:41 .

[KalenNighteyes]

Well guys, I'm off to bed. Good night!

[Andysilv]

Goodnight Flashy & Kalen.

[MegWithAMouth]

Night Flashy and Kalen!

[Kabraxal]

Sweet Mirriment in your dreams!

[ComTrav]

andysilv87 wrote...

Hey, Com is here! Thread revitalized.

I love how my mere apearance invokes this reaction.

You realize that I've been keeping really weird hours for someone on the US East coast, roflmao.

[ComTrav]

Since we had Yvonne boxing last page, we have Yvonne swordfighting here.



And you know what ToshiStation would say about Yvonne handling his sword....

[Andysilv]

ComTrav wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

Hey, Com is here! Thread revitalized.

I love how my mere apearance invokes this reaction.

You realize that I've been keeping really weird hours for someone on the US East coast, roflmao.

Haha, yeah I guessed that considering you're generally online during the morning/afternoon here. I think you just want to take your love for us Brits to the next level so you've started converting to our timezone.