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[Andysilv]

Maviarab wrote...
And Andy....my friend....what the hell were you about to do?

There have been many times when I've asked myself the same question. Which moment are we referring too?

[Valmy]

I fail to see how getting killed is going to do much to stop an entire fleet of reapers...but sure if it will save the day...

[kraidy1117]

Guardian295 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

If they can do Shepards death like Boromirs with epic music then I would be all over it. I don't want a lame sacerfice ending >_>

He got overwelmed and kept fighting honerable but I would prefer a chosen noble death like in DA:O

As long as it's not like Fallout 3 I will be happy

[kraidy1117]

Valmy wrote...

I fail to see how getting killed is going to do much to stop an entire fleet of reapers...but sure if it will save the day...

Staying behind so everyone can get to safety while you die?

[Guardian295]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Guardian295 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

If they can do Shepards death like Boromirs with epic music then I would be all over it. I don't want a lame sacerfice ending >_>

He got overwelmed and kept fighting honerable but I would prefer a chosen noble death like in DA:O

As long as it's not like Fallout 3 I will be happy

Yeah talk about anticlimactic
Worst death ever

Modifié par Guardian295, 04 mars 2010 - 03:33 .

[DarthReavus]

Hehe, climax...

[Valmy]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Valmy wrote...

I fail to see how getting killed is going to do much to stop an entire fleet of reapers...but sure if it will save the day...

Staying behind so everyone can get to safety while you die?

Yeah you have the whole fleet trapped in a star system...the star has been trapped to go supernova...only Shepard and the Normandy are guarding the only Mass Effect Relay out...

[Valmy]

DarthReavus wrote...

Hehe, climax...

Nothing funny about a bad climax.

[kraidy1117]

Valmy wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Valmy wrote...

I fail to see how getting killed is going to do much to stop an entire fleet of reapers...but sure if it will save the day...

Staying behind so everyone can get to safety while you die?

Yeah you have the whole fleet trapped in a star system...the star has been trapped to go supernova...only Shepard and the Normandy are guarding the only Mass Effect Relay out...

There will be more then just two endings, most likely there will be a sacerfice ending and Bioware will most likely do an ending where the Reapers win.

[Guardian295]

Valmy wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Valmy wrote...

I fail to see how getting killed is going to do much to stop an entire fleet of reapers...but sure if it will save the day...

Staying behind so everyone can get to safety while you die?

Yeah you have the whole fleet trapped in a star system...the star has been trapped to go supernova...only Shepard and the Normandy are guarding the only Mass Effect Relay out...

Like Joker would leave Shepard alone with the Normandy

[kraidy1117]

Guardian295 wrote...

Valmy wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Valmy wrote...

I fail to see how getting killed is going to do much to stop an entire fleet of reapers...but sure if it will save the day...

Staying behind so everyone can get to safety while you die?

Yeah you have the whole fleet trapped in a star system...the star has been trapped to go supernova...only Shepard and the Normandy are guarding the only Mass Effect Relay out...

Like Joker would leave Shepard alone with the Normandy

Shepard leaves Joker with the Normandy

Oh wait......

[Kabraxal]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

[...]However, that does not mean that  mind over matter doesnit fit in such a science fiction universe.

But then I don't believe in a physical, causally closed universe.  Physicalism just doesn't work for me.  So science fiction and fantasy are alike in that respect for me. 

So, what works for you, if you don't mind the question? For me, it's like this: Dualism doesn't work, because as soon as you have one fundamental aspect act on the other, the duality collapses into one. Idealism doesn't work either, because there too many indications that abstract concepts do not have a reality of their own.

BTW, I vote for "eroticicm" as the "ism" of the day.

I believe in a form of idealism.  The "physical" world was created with limitations and boundaries, that operate both seperate and in connection with the "spiritual" world.  While the physical world is mostly constructed and run by physical principles and consists of physical actions, the constant substratum necessary for it to continue to function has to be something that is boundless and eternal.  This substratum can override the physical at any one point, but mostly it is "dormnat".

The most natural analogy is that of a vidoe game actually.  There is a basic programming and structure to the particular world in question, but at any time, the creative force to that universe can alter the code temporarily (cheats) or completely rewrite aspects of the world (mods).  

In the "real" world the "programmer" is naturally beyond our current perceptions becuase we are part of the limited, bounded world.  The "programmerr" is not.  It doesn't operate by our programmed rules, thus it is alien. 

Also, abstract ideas by their very nature would not have a reality in comparison to the physical concrete identities.  Abstract ideas are non-physical properties, thus the reality is inherently different and will not be discovered by empirical observation. Also... consciousness is quite a wildcard in this discussion.  Physical science cannot explain its existence, nor even prove it... yet we all know it does exist simply becuase we are conscious.  No physical proof.  No concrete foundation... simple abstract certainty. 

The problem of science... it cannot prove or disprove the metaphysical.  It is limited to a physical plane of existence. 

Word of warning though... never invite a philosopher to talk about metaphysics!  We all love to get long winded!

[jtav]

I wonder if Bioware originally planned for Miranda to be a darker character? The art book refers to her as a femme fatale, but she doesn't seem quite hard or manipulative enough, particularly after the tutorial. Since she's the one who suggested the control chip, I wonder if there was a subplot about her being Shep's handler and the one responsible for terminating him if he became a liability. It would certainly add a layer to her resignation.

[DarthReavus]

[Andysilv]

DarthReavus wrote...

I'm just glad I decided to post in the nude today...I do hope these stains will clean off my monitor though.

[Kabraxal]

Maviarab wrote...

God damn kabrax....

And interesting observation jtav....

Should I have given the warning first?

[kraidy1117]

DarthReavus wrote...

Way to kill the tension Darth.

[kraidy1117]

Kabraxal wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

God damn kabrax....

And interesting observation jtav....

Should I have given the warning first?

Yes you should have.

[DarthReavus]

andysilv87 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

I'm just glad I decided to post in the nude today...I do hope these stains will clean off my monitor though.

*Gouges eyes out* Must...get...image...out...of head!  Gah!

[Kabraxal]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

God damn kabrax....

And interesting observation jtav....

Should I have given the warning first?

Yes you should have.

Yes...well... it was an intellectual discussion with no hint of my normal erotic escapades.  I thought you'd celebrate... or you know..... hide from the impending apocalypse.

[DarthReavus]

Kabraxal wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

God damn kabrax....

And interesting observation jtav....

Should I have given the warning first?

Yes you should have.

Yes...well... it was an intellectual discussion with no hint of my normal erotic escapades.  I thought you'd celebrate... or you know..... hide from the impending apocalypse.

*Plays Ride of the Valkyries over the loudspeaker*

[Guardian295]

Kabraxal wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

[...]However, that does not mean that  mind over matter doesnit fit in such a science fiction universe.

But then I don't believe in a physical, causally closed universe.  Physicalism just doesn't work for me.  So science fiction and fantasy are alike in that respect for me. 

So, what works for you, if you don't mind the question? For me, it's like this: Dualism doesn't work, because as soon as you have one fundamental aspect act on the other, the duality collapses into one. Idealism doesn't work either, because there too many indications that abstract concepts do not have a reality of their own.

BTW, I vote for "eroticicm" as the "ism" of the day.

I believe in a form of idealism.  The "physical" world was created with limitations and boundaries, that operate both seperate and in connection with the "spiritual" world.  While the physical world is mostly constructed and run by physical principles and consists of physical actions, the constant substratum necessary for it to continue to function has to be something that is boundless and eternal.  This substratum can override the physical at any one point, but mostly it is "dormnat".

The most natural analogy is that of a vidoe game actually.  There is a basic programming and structure to the particular world in question, but at any time, the creative force to that universe can alter the code temporarily (cheats) or completely rewrite aspects of the world (mods).  

In the "real" world the "programmer" is naturally beyond our current perceptions becuase we are part of the limited, bounded world.  The "programmerr" is not.  It doesn't operate by our programmed rules, thus it is alien. 

Also, abstract ideas by their very nature would not have a reality in comparison to the physical concrete identities.  Abstract ideas are non-physical properties, thus the reality is inherently different and will not be discovered by empirical observation. Also... consciousness is quite a wildcard in this discussion.  Physical science cannot explain its existence, nor even prove it... yet we all know it does exist simply becuase we are conscious.  No physical proof.  No concrete foundation... simple abstract certainty. 

The problem of science... it cannot prove or disprove the metaphysical.  It is limited to a physical plane of existence. 

Word of warning though... never invite a philosopher to talk about metaphysics!  We all love to get long winded!

Science without faith is ignorant, Faith without science is blind

and it is to late here for a proper philosopical disscution

Modifié par Guardian295, 04 mars 2010 - 03:50 .

[kraidy1117]

DarthReavus wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

God damn kabrax....

And interesting observation jtav....

Should I have given the warning first?

Yes you should have.

Yes...well... it was an intellectual discussion with no hint of my normal erotic escapades.  I thought you'd celebrate... or you know..... hide from the impending apocalypse.

*Plays Ride of the Valkyries over the loudspeaker*