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[Andysilv]

Maviarab wrote...

Anyone else think that kabrax and Ield would be the perfect couple?
Noooo?
Just me then eh?

ok....

It depends if they both swing that way.

[shinobi602]

andysilv87 wrote...

timedrake32 wrote...

 TALI RULES AHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHH

**** off!

We're better than that andy. We're not like others, we like all the characters (most of us). Don't stoop to anyone's level.

[DarthReavus]

Maviarab wrote...

Anyone else think that kabrax and Ield would be the perfect couple?
Noooo?
Just me then eh?

ok....

Well, I think Flashy would be a bit upset if Kab left her for another man!

[gutty47]

Quotes from the Tali thread.

Thundertactics wrote...

runescapeguy9 wrote...
Hello friends. I have returned. Glad to see the thread has not yet been closed.
This is somewhat disturbing however. It appears they are growing faster than we are.
We must rally more Talifans and stay on topic more...

Okay, that's it, I'll join in on this thread, just for the sake of overpowering those guys. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png

I find it hilarious that some feel threatened by our thread... even when they are posting 3.6 times faster than us. The Miranda effect is a powerful force.

Modifié par gutty47, 04 mars 2010 - 05:24 .

[Andysilv]

shinobi602 wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

timedrake32 wrote...

 TALI RULES AHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHH

**** off!

We're better than that andy. We're not like others, we like all the characters (most of us). Don't stoop to anyone's level.

Sorry, feeling a bit grumpy. Had to take it out on somebody, lol.

[DarthReavus]

andysilv87 wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

timedrake32 wrote...

 TALI RULES AHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHH

**** off!

We're better than that andy. We're not like others, we like all the characters (most of us). Don't stoop to anyone's level.

Sorry, feeling a bit grumpy. Had to take it out on somebody, lol.

Get a cup of tea, sit back and listen to some relaxing music.

[Melra]

gutty47 wrote...

Quotes from the Tali thread.

Thundertactics wrote...

runescapeguy9 wrote...
Hello friends. I have returned. Glad to see the thread has not yet been closed.
This is somewhat disturbing however. It appears they are growing faster than we are.
We must rally more Talifans and stay on topic more...

Okay, that's it, I'll join in on this thread, just for the sake of overpowering those guys. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png

I find it hilarious that some feel threatened by our thread... even when they are posting 3.6 times faster than us. The Miranda effect is a powerful force.

Quality over quantity *nods* 

[Caihn]

Maybe a cute Yvonne's smile could help to relax.

Modifié par Yannkee, 04 mars 2010 - 05:35 .

[Kabraxal]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

[...]However, that does not mean that  mind over matter doesnit fit in such a science fiction universe.

But then I don't believe in a physical, causally closed universe.  Physicalism just doesn't work for me.  So science fiction and fantasy are alike in that respect for me. 

So, what works for you, if you don't mind the question? For me, it's like this: Dualism doesn't work, because as soon as you have one fundamental aspect act on the other, the duality collapses into one. Idealism doesn't work either, because there too many indications that abstract concepts do not have a reality of their own.

BTW, I vote for "eroticism" as the "ism" of the day.

I believe in a form of idealism.  The "physical" world was created with limitations and boundaries, that operate both seperate and in connection with the "spiritual" world.  While the physical world is mostly constructed and run by physical principles and consists of physical actions, the constant substratum necessary for it to continue to function has to be something that is boundless and eternal.  This substratum can override the physical at any one point, but mostly it is "dormnat".

The most natural analogy is that of a vidoe game actually.  There is a basic programming and structure to the particular world in question, but at any time, the creative force to that universe can alter the code temporarily (cheats) or completely rewrite aspects of the world (mods).  

In the "real" world the "programmer" is naturally beyond our current perceptions becuase we are part of the limited, bounded world.  The "programmerr" is not.  It doesn't operate by our programmed rules, thus it is alien. 

Also, abstract ideas by their very nature would not have a reality in comparison to the physical concrete identities.  Abstract ideas are non-physical properties, thus the reality is inherently different and will not be discovered by empirical observation. Also... consciousness is quite a wildcard in this discussion.  Physical science cannot explain its existence, nor even prove it... yet we all know it does exist simply becuase we are conscious.  No physical proof.  No concrete foundation... simple abstract certainty. 

The problem of science... it cannot prove or disprove the metaphysical.  It is limited to a physical plane of existence. 

Word of warning though... never invite a philosopher to talk about metaphysics!  We all love to get long winded!

Well, I can see you'll not be easily moved from your position. But I would like to point out a few things:

(1) If you cannot prove the metaphyical by logic and not by observation, isn't this indication enough that it doesn't exist?
(2) We experience ourselves as conscious, that we can say with some measure of certainty. Nothing more. It's a problem of language in some way: our minds can "nominalize" a process as an entity, but that does not mean that there is anything in reality corresponding to that entity. Consciousness might just be an attribute of living matter above a certain level of complexity. In fact, I do think it is an emergent property that can't be observed at lower levels. I am quite convinced that science will show this at some time. 
(3) Abstract ideas are information. Information can't exist without a carrier. All right, you can *say* there is something fundamentally non-physical about it, but that's nothing more than an unfounded statement. My answer, equally unproven but IMO more plausible, would be that abstract ideas vanish when they are separated from a carrier (a human brain, for instance).
(You might notice I argue from a nominalist position, which means we probably won't find common ground)

What it comes to is that I can't see the necessity of the nonphysical to explain anything. Add that it can't be proven, and it remains purely in the realm of belief. And that was never enough for me.

OK, this is, interesting as it is, as OT in this thread as "Chuck"....which means we can continue this, LOL!!! 

(1)... it doesn't prove anything.  Logic has proven that the metaphysical does exist and that it doesn't exist and empirical observation would never brush Metaphysics.  We have gotten nowhere.

(2)... I do not.  I find emergent theories to be quite ridiculous.  They do nothing to explain the phenonemon and offer nothing to the discussion.  I do not think science will ever put something under the microscope and say "look, consciousness".

(3) No more or less plausible.  And by the laws of conservation, the abstract ideal must have always existed since something cannot be created from nothing.

Also, I contend that the physical cannot exist without the abstract (or the metaphysical).  In order for there to exist something that is bound by time and space, there must be something that is eternal and limitless.  You need a static "comparison" point in order to recognise movement in any fashion.  Thus there is an aspect of our being that is not bound by physical limitation and thus we are able to experience the perceptions we are afforded.  Otherwise we would simply be nothing more than the stream instead of the vessel travelling it.

Modifié par Kabraxal, 04 mars 2010 - 05:32 .

[Vamp44]

Afternoon everyone.



A bit late of me, but...congrats on 400 pages and the 10000 posts.

[Jediknight120]

runescapeguy9 wrote...
We appologize for the temporary trolling of one of our members.
Most of the Tali thread does not support his actions and we hope it did you no harm.

No worries man. Most of us here like Tali too.

[Melra]

Jediknight120 wrote...

runescapeguy9 wrote...
We appologize for the temporary trolling of one of our members.
Most of the Tali thread does not support his actions and we hope it did you no harm.

No worries man. Most of us here like Tali too.

Just not in that way. 

[Kosmiker]

http://ganassa.devia...ffect-156049232



Powerfull Miranda!!!

[9to82td]

This picture was originally submitted by Strikor2115.

[shinobi602]

It's all good runescape.

Modifié par shinobi602, 04 mars 2010 - 05:34 .

[Annjul666]

You are welcome to visit me Mavi. But if i were you i would consider this carefully we have awful weather, stupid people, terrible roads and the lots of beer ;P



buaahaha Ass Effect dobre.. i mean good one Kosmiker



kurwa mać. i am starting to suffer from 'rozdwojenie jaźni'. dual self. mix of eng-pol. you are not the only one Kabrax, with your voices inside head.. only wonder when i am gonna hear them too.

[Andysilv]

Annjul666 wrote...

You are welcome to visit me Mavi. But if i were you i would consider this carefully we have awful weather, stupid people, terrible roads and the lots of beer ;P

He'll be right at home!

[shinobi602]

Annjul666 wrote...

You are welcome to visit me Mavi. But if i were you i would consider this carefully we have awful weather, stupid people, terrible roads and the lots of beer ;P

This is key.

[DarthReavus]

shinobi602 wrote...

Annjul666 wrote...

You are welcome to visit me Mavi. But if i were you i would consider this carefully we have awful weather, stupid people, terrible roads and the lots of beer ;P

This is key.

More than key.  Mission Critical!