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[Valmy]

Kabraxal wrote...

Ooo... oooo....

Let's talk about the political ramifications of bringing fish onto the presidium!

It is all a Cerberus plot to poison the drinking water of the Council with fish poop.

[Valmy]

Ah heck that last post was silly wasn't it? Sorry.

[kraidy1117]

Valmy wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
I don't see why people hate it. It only takes under two mintues and you don't need to scan every planet. Just scan the rich and good planets.

You don't even need to scan the good planets.  There are tons of rich planets.

One important step. I think, is to check Mass Effect Wiki and figure out exactly how much of each resource you need to upgrade everything and do not get a single point more than you need.  Probes take up precious credits.

I just click on planets, if it says annomly, rich or good then I scan, if not then I go to the next planet. It's faster and less fustrating then the MAKO.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I'll just repost the excerpt here. There is some romance, but it's not about romance, if that makes sense.

Thanks. I wonder what's there to make people dislike it. It has the potential to become a nice little (or not so little) story. I'm already curious.
The only thing I'd like to point out is that this is the third Miranda-related fanfic featuring Toombs and Akuze in some way....

Well, considering that it's already at 7500 words, I think we can settle on not-so-little. As for Toombs and Akuze, when I started, there were no fics of this kind. I work slowly by internet standards.

I suspect the fact that I told people Toombs wasn't lying has something to do with the reception.

[Andysilv]

Maviarab wrote...

Paintint he utility room Valmy lol
And I can do boring incredibly well...Ill just think of my life

There's nothing boring about those coffee breaks Mavi. You know, all that...putting the coffee in the mug...pouring the water on...yeah...thrilling, see! Oh, don't forgot boiling the kettle! What a rush!

[DarthReavus]

Just for those of you who didn't actually read my post on this subject on the previous page but...YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CHUCK!

[kraidy1117]

andysilv87 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

Paintint he utility room Valmy lol
And I can do boring incredibly well...Ill just think of my life

There's nothing boring about those coffee breaks Mavi. You know, all that...putting the coffee in the mug...pouring the water on...yeah...thrilling, see! Oh, don't forgot boiling the kettle! What a rush!

That sounds fun!

[Valmy]

DarthReavus wrote...

Just for those of you who didn't actually read my post on this subject on the previous page but...YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CHUCK!

Relax Darth.  We have nothing to talk about yet the episode airs tonight.

[gutty47]

DarthReavus wrote...
... people in this thread often jump to the wrong conclusion and that's where things start to go wrong in the first place.

This is occuring on both sides of the 'argument'. The original post wanted people to cut down on those wierd 'yogurt' posts that would likely scare off newcomers to the thread. The debate then swung round to posters lamenting the loss of discussion due to the fact that we have nothing new to discuss.

Stopping the offtopic posts would likely kill the thread entirely. I'm more of advocate of just losing the wierd posts.

[Andysilv]

Valmy wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

Just for those of you who didn't actually read my post on this subject on the previous page but...YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CHUCK!

Relax Darth.  We have nothing to talk about yet the episode airs tonight.

Yeah, who wants to talk about Chuck? Sorry, Darth.

[Guardian295]

DarthReavus wrote...

Just for those of you who didn't actually read my post on this subject on the previous page but...YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CHUCK!

NO SPOILERS or else

[Kabraxal]

Then we Shaw rage!!!

[kraidy1117]

DarthReavus wrote...

Just for those of you who didn't actually read my post on this subject on the previous page but...YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CHUCK!

Darth, so will you put what I told you on the front page. That is what I think about the character. Hell it's one of the reasons why I love Miranda because Bastila was one of my fav characters in KOTOR.


Also guys Chuck is on tonight!!!! Lets hoipe Shaw gets his ass kicked

[Valmy]

kraidy1117 wrote...
I just click on planets, if it says annomly, rich or good then I scan, if not then I go to the next planet. It's faster and less fustrating then the MAKO.

Man...man am I dreading the MAKO parts.  Just started my new ME1 game.  I am going to cheat and map out every planet before I land on it and just hit each resource and leave.  No exploration for me this time.

[DarthReavus]

gutty47 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...
... people in this thread often jump to the wrong conclusion and that's where things start to go wrong in the first place.

This is occuring on both sides of the 'argument'. The original post wanted people to cut down on those wierd 'yogurt' posts that would likely scare off newcomers to the thread. The debate then swung round to posters lamenting the loss of discussion due to the fact that we have nothing new to discuss.

Stopping the offtopic posts would likely kill the thread entirely. I'm more of advocate of just losing the wierd posts.

If you think the odd yoghurt or trouser joke is weird then you should look at the weird crap the Taliban get up to.  Though looking back on it I think they can be taken way over the top and drag on too much, but I would hesitate before describing anything we do as weird if you stop and look at the Taliban first.

[Valmy]

Guardian295 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

Just for those of you who didn't actually read my post on this subject on the previous page but...YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CHUCK!

NO SPOILERS or else

We have been terrible about those in this thread.  Fine I shall comment mostly on the quality of the episode for my Aussie friends.

[kraidy1117]

Valmy wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
I just click on planets, if it says annomly, rich or good then I scan, if not then I go to the next planet. It's faster and less fustrating then the MAKO.

Man...man am I dreading the MAKO parts.  Just started my new ME1 game.  I am going to cheat and map out every planet before I land on it and just hit each resource and leave.  No exploration for me this time.

I don't even do those collections quest, I just drop on a planet, go to the mission location, do it then leave. I hope the Hammerhead is good, because if it is then most likely feture add-ons and even ME3 might have Hammerhead missions.

Hammerhead does look good and you can strife with it!

[Andysilv]

Valmy wrote...

Guardian295 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

Just for those of you who didn't actually read my post on this subject on the previous page but...YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CHUCK!

NO SPOILERS or else

We have been terrible about those in this thread.  Fine I shall comment mostly on the quality of the episode for my Aussie friends.

Don't forget your UK friends too. I won't see it until about this time tomorrow.

[Guardian295]

Valmy wrote...

Guardian295 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

Just for those of you who didn't actually read my post on this subject on the previous page but...YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CHUCK!

NO SPOILERS or else

We have been terrible about those in this thread.  Fine I shall comment mostly on the quality of the episode for my Aussie friends.

Thank you have a cookie

[gutty47]

DarthReavus wrote...

If you think the odd yoghurt or trouser joke is weird then you should look at the weird crap the Taliban get up to.  Though looking back on it I think they can be taken way over the top and drag on too much, but I would hesitate before describing anything we do as weird if you stop and look at the Taliban first.

I have looked at the Tali thread and those aren't wierd... they're downright disturbing. That doesn't mean we should continue having 5 pages of yogurt jokes like we did earlier.

[kraidy1117]

I like yogurt...........my wife yogurt

[Valmy]

kraidy1117 wrote...
I don't even do those collections quest, I just drop on a planet, go to the mission location, do it then leave.

Doing the collections quests is how you get rich, and I want the bonus credits for ME2.

[kraidy1117]

Valmy wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
I don't even do those collections quest, I just drop on a planet, go to the mission location, do it then leave.

Doing the collections quests is how you get rich, and I want the bonus credits for ME2.

I can get to the max credits without doing those, plus I don't feel like swearing at my TV when the MAKO can't even go up hills and stuff.

[Kabraxal]

gutty47 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

If you think the odd yoghurt or trouser joke is weird then you should look at the weird crap the Taliban get up to.  Though looking back on it I think they can be taken way over the top and drag on too much, but I would hesitate before describing anything we do as weird if you stop and look at the Taliban first.

I have looked at the Tali thread and those aren't wierd... they're downright disturbing. That doesn't mean we should continue having 5 pages of yogurt jokes like we did earlier.

I guess I can agree there.  As much I go on about chocolate, it usually lasts a page or two and then another discussion intervenes. 

[Ieldra]

It's long ago that I posted a wall of text. That has to be remedied. This is an attempt to elaborate on my hypothesis that Miranda’s detached demeanor is, as a rule, not a mask.

Why the "ice queen melting" stereotype does not apply to Miranda

The meaning of "I’m not looking for a friend"

There can be no doubt that Miranda is neither incapable of emotionally connecting to people, nor is she unwilling to do so on rare occasions. She loves her sister, she cares about Niket and eventually comes to care about Shepard. But I still think when she says "I’m not looking for a friend", this is her genuine attitude, her first reaction to someone she doesn’t know. As a rule, she prefers to keep her distance, and when she does not, it’s a notable exception. To substantiate that, I’ll have to elaborate a bit.

We’re all motivated by emotions. In fact, what we feel constitutes our will, and if we didn’t feel anything we would be completely unable to act. At any time, there are different emotions at work in us, and they sometimes conflict. Here are a few things I can see driving Miranda:

(1) Test herself and her limits. Achieve the seemingly impossible.
(2) Keep control of her life, and herself.
(3) Protect the people she loves.
(4) Prove herself as a human being.
(5) And eventually, explore her relationship with Shepard.

All of these present interesting aspects of her personality. Yes, she eventually comes to love Shepard, but that is not what defines her. All of these aspects together define her.

The problematic "Ice Queen" designation

In most of the arguments promoting the hypothesis that her detached demeanor is a mask, I see the underlying assumption that some of these drives are more valid than others, in particular, the assumption that the drive to connect to people is more valid, more valuable, than whatever drives you to keep your distance. I challenge that assumption. From here, I argue from the assumption that there’s no one emotion, no one drive more valid than another (against our intuitions, this does extend to “negative” passions, but since the explanation would go too far OT and it isn’t important for the issues, I’ll omit that aspect here).

Looking at the drive to keep your distance from someone, two immediate reasons come to mind why you might want to do so: you fear to make yourself vulnerable, and you don’t want to deal with the complications inevitably resulting from any closer connection. I really shouldn’t have to say this, but making yourself vulnerable is not a virtue as such. With regard to love, it’s a necessary evil, but it’s completely reasonable to limit the number of people who can cause you emotional pain. As for complications, given the list above, it should come as no surprise that Miranda doesn’t need any more complications than she already has. Also, the wish, the preference to avoid emotional complications is no less valid than any other drive.

For these reasons, I reject the “Ice Queen” designation and all its inferred meanings and value judgments. Instead, I’ll be talking about keeping one’s distance and a generally detached attitude with regard to people, exceptions notwithstanding.

Why I think Miranda is, as a rule, at peace with her detached attitude

In short, I think so because that in those cases when there is a conflict, we get to see it if we pay close attention. Sometimes not even that is needed. We see a conflict, for instance, when she watches her sister – she wants to keep apart, but she also wants to connect. It doesn’t even need the conversation options to make you see that, just watch her face and you know what’s going on. You see the same in the romance conversations – she admits that she’s attracted to Shepard, and it’s also clear that it’s on more than one level, but you still see the drive to keep her distance at work.

As opposed to that, consider her confrontation with Jack. She appears confident and composed, completely unruffled by Jack’s insistence and unmoved by her threats. It’s quite the same when she rebuffs Shepard in Lazarus Station. When she admits that she was the one who leaked the information about the Hugo Gernsback after Jacob’s loyalty mission, it appears that she’s severing an old connection by discharging her promise, whatever that was.

Lastly, consider the situation when you speak with her about her optimizations and how it makes her feel she hasn’t achieved anything by herself. She trusts Shepard with that, but she still talks calmly and composedly about it. It becomes clear that it’s something she’s in the process of dealing with, and quite capable at dealing with it on her own, even while appreciating the help Shepard gives her. This means she’s not only detached from others, but can also detach herself from her own emotions in order to deal with them. This "dealing with them" might include following them, but then again, it might not.

I conclude that for Miranda, in most cases the advantages of keeping her distance outweigh any possible benefits of an emotional connection (I’m tempted to say “entanglement”). She’s neither uncaring nor a walled up container waiting to explode in a paroxysm of passion, she’s just very selective in her connections ("I settle for nothing but the best" is a good indicator for this attitude) and otherwise driven by another passion: the passion to keep control of her own life. This is a valid and reasonable attitude, not a flaw. I think she acknowledges that to herself, just as she acknowledges her attraction to Shepard quite readily – she is smart, she knows what she’s feeling and deals with in one way or the other. I have written in what’s become known as the "Miranda Manifest" that the love between her and Shepard is not about need. I stand by that. Miranda would say "Look, I may be drawn to you like on a rubber band, but I still decide. It’s not fate. I would be able to live without you, and one decision is not better or worse than the other." This quality is what makes her interesting and admirable, and makes her decision to explore her relationship with Shepard all the more valuable.