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[Flashy91]

OT I know, but the new Heavy weapon (The Arc Projector) if pretty good IMO, reminds me of using the tazer in Syphon Filter hehe....

Modifié par Flashy91, 09 mars 2010 - 07:46 .

[DrunkenGoon]

I think I would approach her father the way I approached Dr. Heart in ME1.. Let her make the decision she wants to make and then follow through.. Their is no saving a man like that.. BUT their are much worse things than death.. Maybe hand him over to the Reapers.. Heh..

[Jediknight120]

I'd probably handle a situation with Miri's father like the one with Niket... I'd basically only stop Miranda if I thought she was about to do something she'd regret later. Otherwise, up to her.

[MassAffected]

Flashy91 wrote...

OT I know, but the new Heavy weapon (The Arc Projector) if pretty good IMO, reminds me of using the tazer in Syphon Filter hehe....

[MassAffected]

Maviarab wrote...

Questioning her judgement in Niket and questioning HER are very different things.

So your telling me ield, if the woman you loved wanted you to do something, you would question it without hesitation, just because you might not agree with it?

Its getting a little ot from the point again, what was brought up was whether or not we would listen to her dads 'side of the story', and my point is, if you truly love Miranda, you would not, if you did listen, then you are plaving doubt in what she has told you, thus your trust in her, and I am sorry, but that is unforgiveable in a relationship.

I would listen to him only if she wanted to hear what he had to say, I wouldn't force her to listen to him if she didn't want to. I just wish we knew more about her past and her "father" now...!!! DAMN YOU BIOWAAARE!!!

Modifié par MassAffected, 09 mars 2010 - 07:47 .

[MegWithAMouth]

Karstedt wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

No hate here. For that, I'd need the details. There is still the possibility that Niket was a bit more correct that we give him credit for. I don't think he was, but I won't make fast judgments. Not even in a story.

But of you loved someone enough, you would take their word as gospel....if you didnt, then that entails a lack of trust and belief, which in turn throws your whole relationship into question.

Then perhaps I'm unable to love someone "enough". I certainly wouldn't take anyone's word as a gospel when it comes to the decision to kill someone. I do not believe in faith.

Faith has nothing to do with it. Faith is a belief of something you cannot prove. If Miranda says she wants her dad dead because of X, Y & Z, and you  choose to question X, Y & Z, then you do not trust her, there really is no middle ground on this, you either trust what they say, or you don't, and if you don't, you have no basis for a relationship.

This is silly. You can trust someone, without agreeing with them or even thinking they are right about everything. I trust my mom, but she's wrong about lots of stuff. And I would be downright stupid to simply agree with everything she says. I think you're confusing relationships with religion. People aren't omnipotant. Views can be skewed, and objectivisim is not unhealthy for a relationship (though it does seem like it where I live).

QFT.

You can trust someone without following them blindly. For instance, if you were dating someone who said, "My dad abused me my entire life and now he's doing it to my little sister. I want to kill him so it will end. Will you help me?" You would just go along with it?

I may love them and I would absolutely believe them, but I wouldn't kill without a thought for them. Maybe if your Shepard is renagade it makes sense to kill without question, but my Shepard would need a lot more info before he would go in with guns blazing.

When it comes down to it, there are still a lot of things we don't know so it's hard to even speculate on this.

[MassAffected]

@ Meg

So true, not enough info...I've changed my mind about how I would handle that situation about 12 times during the course of this discussion.

My gut reaction was more emotion than anything else, then the more I thought about it and seeing what happened with Niket I know that Miranda doesn't always have the up-to-date information that she thinks she does. I still think that the only resolution that makes sense in dealing with her "father" will end in violence...anything else would cheapen that aspect of her story. Maybe we won't get to kill him, but I still think that it needs to end that way.

I probably contradicted myself like a billion times by now.

Modifié par MassAffected, 09 mars 2010 - 07:59 .

[Jediknight120]

What Meg said.

What gives my Shep pause about just shooting the jerk is Oriana. I highly doubt Miranda would want to kill her father if it was just about her, but her sister is a big wild card. Miranda gets emotional to the point of not thinking straight when Oriana is involved. If she thinks her father is going to keep coming after her she may very well want to off him.

Modifié par Jediknight120, 09 mars 2010 - 07:56 .

[Melra]

MassAffected wrote...

@ Meg

So true, not enough info...I've changed my mind about how I would handle that situation about 12 times during the course of this discussion.

Well the guy can't be -that- bad. He created Miranda from his own DNA. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree and so forth? 

[Ieldra]

Karstedt wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

No hate here. For that, I'd need the details. There is still the possibility that Niket was a bit more correct that we give him credit for. I don't think he was, but I won't make fast judgments. Not even in a story.

But of you loved someone enough, you would take their word as gospel....if you didnt, then that entails a lack of trust and belief, which in turn throws your whole relationship into question.

Then perhaps I'm unable to love someone "enough". I certainly wouldn't take anyone's word as a gospel when it comes to the decision to kill someone. I do not believe in faith.

Faith has nothing to do with it. Faith is a belief of something you cannot prove. If Miranda says she wants her dad dead because of X, Y & Z, and you  choose to question X, Y & Z, then you do not trust her, there really is no middle ground on this, you either trust what they say, or you don't, and if you don't, you have no basis for a relationship.

This is silly. You can trust someone, without agreeing with them or even thinking they are right about everything. I trust my mom, but she's wrong about lots of stuff. And I would be downright stupid to simply agree with everything she says. I think you're confusing relationships with religion. People aren't omnipotant. Views can be skewed, and objectivisim is not unhealthy for a relationship (though it does seem like it where I live).

Exactly. That's why I said I do not believe in faith.

[Melra]

I thought reserving room for doubt in all things, makes a healthy mind.

[Prudii Aden]

MassAffected wrote...

Flashy91 wrote...

OT I know, but the new Heavy weapon (The Arc Projector) if pretty good IMO, reminds me of using the tazer in Syphon Filter hehe....

Yep, it's fun. I'll be trying it against geth soon.

[Andysilv]

Jediknight120 wrote...

What Meg said.

What gives my Shep pause about just shooting the jerk is Oriana. I highly doubt Miranda would want to kill her father if it was just about her, but her sister is a big wild card. Miranda gets emotional to the point of not thinking straight when Oriana is involved. If she thinks her father is going to keep coming after her she may very well want to off him.

And that's exactly why I wouldn't just let her shoot him without thinking it through first. I don't just act with my emotions, I act with my head and so does my Shepard. If there is a logical alternative to death and if I feel Miranda would regret it later, I would probably spare her father. 

If there was no alternative and the only way to keep Miranda & Oriana safe was for him to die, then so be it. 

Jumping the gun and pulling the trigger straight away makes no sense to me. 

Of course, none of this matters until we know the facts.  

Modifié par andysilv87, 09 mars 2010 - 08:10 .

[jtav]

I take it for granted that Miranda's summary of her childhood is accurate, but that's because I'm inclined to believe any allegations of abuse until I have evidence to the contrary. At least in fiction. Conservation of detail, etc.

Modifié par jtav, 09 mars 2010 - 08:05 .

[Ieldra]

Maviarab wrote...

Questioning her judgement in Niket and questioning HER are very different things.

So your telling me ield, if the woman you loved wanted you to do something, you would question it without hesitation, just because you might not agree with it?

If it meant killing someone, yes I would. Without hesitation. And whoever expected me to kill someone just on his or her say so can go to hell!

Its getting a little ot from the point again, what was brought up was whether or not we would listen to her dads 'side of the story', and my point is, if you truly love Miranda, you would not, if you did listen, then you are plaving doubt in what she has told you, thus your trust in her, and I am sorry, but that is unforgiveable in a relationship.

This is bull****. You just don't trust people that blindly when it comes to killing. Tell me *you* would, and I'd answer you'd said so just for the sake of the argument.
I'd trust her not to lie, yes. But everyone can be mistaken. And anyway, this whole discussion makes no sense as long as we don't know the details.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 mars 2010 - 08:05 .

[Flashy91]

what Andy said, if we do get the confrontation in ME3 I would go about the same way I did with Niket. You let her shoot she may regret it later, and killing the guy would make the story kind of boring IMO.

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...

I thought reserving room for doubt in all things, makes a healthy mind.

"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd" -- Voltaire

Almost a mantra for me.

[Melra]

Flashy91 wrote...

what Andy said, if we do get the confrontation in ME3 I would go about the same way I did with Niket. You let her shoot she may regret it later, and killing the guy would make the story kind of boring IMO.

Yeah, but I wouldn't be amazed if there was some extra twist. Some face from the past, that might make the decision bit harder. Not too sure what it could be... Admiral Hackett? 

I am not too sure, what I would do, if she isn't certain herself, then I would give it bit more time. Even though her words about him so far don't really signal any chances of redemption for him. I doubt there was any father child bond there, ever. 

[Jediknight120]

There's another question here: is what Miranda's father did justification for killing him?

There's no question (based on the information we have) that what he did to his daughters was reprehensible. Regardless of whether or not there was physical abuse, the emotional abuse and treating them like his personal property makes him scum.

However, we don't just kill people for being scum. If that was the case my Shep would have killed a lot more dudes. Miranda's father needs to pay for what he did, no question, but I'm not sure it rises to the level of killing him.

Even if we know he's going to keep coming after Oriana, does that justify us killing him? A renegade Shep probably would and wouldn't think twice about it, but I'm not so sure what mine would do. He'd probably ask Miranda how she wanted to handle it, but I don't know if I'd let her just outright kill him.

Modifié par Jediknight120, 09 mars 2010 - 08:12 .

[kraidy1117]

Hi everybody!!! What did i miss?

[MegWithAMouth]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Hi everybody!!! What did i miss?

Not much. There's a debate going on about whether or not you would kill Miranda's father.

It seems the consensus is mostly, no, not without more information.