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MegWithAMouth wrote...
Not much. There's a debate going on about whether or not you would kill Miranda's father.kraidy1117 wrote...
Hi everybody!!! What did i miss?
It seems the consensus is mostly, no, not without more information.
maybe just kick his ass or arest him but not kill him, unless he tried to kill Miri or Oriana.
Because it's not true. Not unconditionally, as you claim. I would trust her not to lie, but that still leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Most situations aren't that clear-cut.Maviarab wrote...
jtav wrote...
I take it for granted that Miranda's summary of her childhood is accurate, but that's because I'm inclined to believe any allegations of abuse until I have evidence to the contrary. At least in fiction. Conservation of detail, etc.
Exactly jtav....if you do not take for granted as truth what she says, then you do not trust her....there is no middle ground on that subject, wy do people not understand that?
Ieldra2 wrote...
Because it's not true. Not unconditionally, as you claim. I would trust her not to lie, but that still leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Most situations aren't that clear-cut.Maviarab wrote...
jtav wrote...
I take it for granted that Miranda's summary of her childhood is accurate, but that's because I'm inclined to believe any allegations of abuse until I have evidence to the contrary. At least in fiction. Conservation of detail, etc.
Exactly jtav....if you do not take for granted as truth what she says, then you do not trust her....there is no middle ground on that subject, wy do people not understand that?
Here's an example: Miranda says what happened to Jack wasn't "really" Cerberus. Do you believe her? Well, I think she doesn't lie to me. But do you really believe TIM is trustworthy because Miranda says he is? Even if you have a relationship?
Ieldra2 wrote...
Because it's not true. Not unconditionally, as you claim. I would trust her not to lie, but that still leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Most situations aren't that clear-cut.Maviarab wrote...
jtav wrote...
I take it for granted that Miranda's summary of her childhood is accurate, but that's because I'm inclined to believe any allegations of abuse until I have evidence to the contrary. At least in fiction. Conservation of detail, etc.
Exactly jtav....if you do not take for granted as truth what she says, then you do not trust her....there is no middle ground on that subject, wy do people not understand that?
Here's an example: Miranda says what happened to Jack wasn't "really" Cerberus. Do you believe her? Well, I think she doesn't lie to me. But do you really believe TIM is trustworthy because Miranda says he is? Even if you have a relationship?
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Jediknight120 wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
Because it's not true. Not unconditionally, as you claim. I would trust her not to lie, but that still leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Most situations aren't that clear-cut.Maviarab wrote...
jtav wrote...
I take it for granted that Miranda's summary of her childhood is accurate, but that's because I'm inclined to believe any allegations of abuse until I have evidence to the contrary. At least in fiction. Conservation of detail, etc.
Exactly jtav....if you do not take for granted as truth what she says, then you do not trust her....there is no middle ground on that subject, wy do people not understand that?
Here's an example: Miranda says what happened to Jack wasn't "really" Cerberus. Do you believe her? Well, I think she doesn't lie to me. But do you really believe TIM is trustworthy because Miranda says he is? Even if you have a relationship?
I could believe that she sincerely thought he was trustworthy, but I'd still think she was wrong.
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Flashy91 wrote...
Just a thought. sometimes doing what someone asks you to do for them because they feel it's best, may not turn out to be the best course of action.
Goes back to what I said about the situation being similar to the one with Niket, we didn't know the whole story we had just found out she had a sister in the first place. So just becasue we trust her doesn't mean we know every detail, we know she trusts Shepard but just because you trust someone won't mean you tell them your entire life story. Not saying Miranda is keeping secrets but some people let things out over time.
andysilv87 wrote...
Flashy91 wrote...
Just a thought. sometimes doing what someone asks you to do for them because they feel it's best, may not turn out to be the best course of action.
Goes back to what I said about the situation being similar to the one with Niket, we didn't know the whole story we had just found out she had a sister in the first place. So just becasue we trust her doesn't mean we know every detail, we know she trusts Shepard but just because you trust someone won't mean you tell them your entire life story. Not saying Miranda is keeping secrets but some people let things out over time.
I've always said that Miranda will be keeping some secrets, not to say she doesn't trust Shepard but she isn't the sort of person to just throw all her secrets out there on the table.
MegWithAMouth wrote...
After discussing this with Darth, I agree that it's not about trust or faith at all, really. It's more about emotions vs. logic.
Those who are more logical thinkers will need as much information as possible on the situation before they act, while those who are more emotional will act based on what they feel, which can often lead to an unsatisfactory ending. I think we're all in agreement that Miranda acted emotionally when she wanted to kill Niket. If she had done so, she would feel horrible and have to carry that with her for the rest of her life. By stopping her and being logical about the situation, you saved her a lot of grief and guilt.
I'm not saying logic is always better than emotions, but I think when it comes to taking someone's life, at least a little logic doesn't hurt.
MegWithAMouth wrote...
And because we've had far too few Yvonne/Miranda images lately:
MegWithAMouth wrote...
After discussing this with Darth, I agree that it's not about trust or faith at all, really. It's more about emotions vs. logic.
Those who are more logical thinkers will need as much information as possible on the situation before they act, while those who are more emotional will act based on what they feel, which can often lead to an unsatisfactory ending. I think we're all in agreement that Miranda acted emotionally when she wanted to kill Niket. If she had done so, she would feel horrible and have to carry that with her for the rest of her life. By stopping her and being logical about the situation, you saved her a lot of grief and guilt.
I'm not saying logic is always better than emotions, but I think when it comes to taking someone's life, at least a little logic doesn't hurt.
Jediknight120 wrote...
MegWithAMouth wrote...
After discussing this with Darth, I agree that it's not about trust or faith at all, really. It's more about emotions vs. logic.
Those who are more logical thinkers will need as much information as possible on the situation before they act, while those who are more emotional will act based on what they feel, which can often lead to an unsatisfactory ending. I think we're all in agreement that Miranda acted emotionally when she wanted to kill Niket. If she had done so, she would feel horrible and have to carry that with her for the rest of her life. By stopping her and being logical about the situation, you saved her a lot of grief and guilt.
I'm not saying logic is always better than emotions, but I think when it comes to taking someone's life, at least a little logic doesn't hurt.
Nice summary Meg. Miranda clearly lets emotion far outweigh logic when it comes to her sister, so I couldn't let her kill her father without serious justification.
) then her father will die.
MegWithAMouth wrote...
And because we've had far too few Yvonne/Miranda images lately:
I'm in my happy place!
kraidy1117 wrote...
Jediknight120 wrote...
MegWithAMouth wrote...
After discussing this with Darth, I agree that it's not about trust or faith at all, really. It's more about emotions vs. logic.
Those who are more logical thinkers will need as much information as possible on the situation before they act, while those who are more emotional will act based on what they feel, which can often lead to an unsatisfactory ending. I think we're all in agreement that Miranda acted emotionally when she wanted to kill Niket. If she had done so, she would feel horrible and have to carry that with her for the rest of her life. By stopping her and being logical about the situation, you saved her a lot of grief and guilt.
I'm not saying logic is always better than emotions, but I think when it comes to taking someone's life, at least a little logic doesn't hurt.
Nice summary Meg. Miranda clearly lets emotion far outweigh logic when it comes to her sister, so I couldn't let her kill her father without serious justification.
As I said, if he tries to kill me, Miri, Oriana or kills Oriana or even Miri (
Sledgehammer44mm wrote...
So can any of you tell me why Miranda is not in the crew picture pack on xbox live?
Really? I get the impression that her emotions and reason were in accord with regard to that. But again, it all comes down to the lack of information. In any real situation the first thing anyone would ask was: what *exactly* did Miranda's father do.Jediknight120 wrote...
MegWithAMouth wrote...
After discussing this with Darth, I agree that it's not about trust or faith at all, really. It's more about emotions vs. logic.
Those who are more logical thinkers will need as much information as possible on the situation before they act, while those who are more emotional will act based on what they feel, which can often lead to an unsatisfactory ending. I think we're all in agreement that Miranda acted emotionally when she wanted to kill Niket. If she had done so, she would feel horrible and have to carry that with her for the rest of her life. By stopping her and being logical about the situation, you saved her a lot of grief and guilt.
I'm not saying logic is always better than emotions, but I think when it comes to taking someone's life, at least a little logic doesn't hurt.
Nice summary Meg. Miranda clearly lets emotion far outweigh logic when it comes to her sister, so I couldn't let her kill her father without serious justification.
I have no idea, Sledge. I didn't even know that. That makes me sad to hear though. Maybe they'll be releasing a second pack soon? I can't imagine they would leave out any of the crew, especially those as pivotal as Miranda.Sledgehammer44mm wrote...
So can any of you tell me why Miranda is not in the crew picture pack on xbox live?
Ieldra2 wrote...
Really? I get the impression that her emotions and reason were in accord with regard to that. But again, it all comes down to the lack of information. In any real situation the first thing anyone would ask was: what *exactly* did Miranda's father do.Jediknight120 wrote...
MegWithAMouth wrote...
After discussing this with Darth, I agree that it's not about trust or faith at all, really. It's more about emotions vs. logic.
Those who are more logical thinkers will need as much information as possible on the situation before they act, while those who are more emotional will act based on what they feel, which can often lead to an unsatisfactory ending. I think we're all in agreement that Miranda acted emotionally when she wanted to kill Niket. If she had done so, she would feel horrible and have to carry that with her for the rest of her life. By stopping her and being logical about the situation, you saved her a lot of grief and guilt.
I'm not saying logic is always better than emotions, but I think when it comes to taking someone's life, at least a little logic doesn't hurt.
Nice summary Meg. Miranda clearly lets emotion far outweigh logic when it comes to her sister, so I couldn't let her kill her father without serious justification.
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