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[tonnactus]

Whole Particle wrote...


Only her sister herself has the right to decide what is the best for her when reaching the right age.


Then why should her Father be trying to take her back when she's already that age (being she's 19)?

I dont defend the actions of her father.But if she growd up and decide,that she dont like that life,miranda have the right to help her.Not stole her as a baby and decide for her sister.

[westful]

tonnactus wrote...



Maybee he give them away for adoption.

I actually thought you wanted a debate, but seeing that comment just made me confirm that you are a troll...

[AccursedOdin]

MegWithAMouth wrote...

jtav wrote...

Time for a topic change, I think.

I am profoundly grateful that Miranda is older than Shepard and is roughly. About half the Bioware romances really squick me because 1) the PC is in a position of authority over the LI 2) the LI is significantly younger/less mature than the PC or 3) the LI is so psychologically damaged that the PC ends up being therapist more than lover. It doesn't feel ethical to romance them because the ability to say no is compromised.

But Miranda? She's an adult who is DEALING with her issues. She might be Shepard's XO but, since her real superior is TIM, it comes off as more of a rlationship between partner than commanding officer/subordinate.

Note to self: don't bring up consent issues in the main forum (Though I really appreciate Toshi defending me)

Completely agree. That's one of many reasons the Miranda romance really resonated with me. It was more of an equal partnership than any of the other LIs and I think Bioware conveyed that really well.

I have to admit, it was very refreshing. I got kind of tired of the whole 'Alpha Male asserting dominance over his underlings' thing from the first one. It was nice to be on equal footing Miranda.

[Sleepy Buddha]

jtav wrote...

Time for a topic change, I think.

I am profoundly grateful that Miranda is older than Shepard and is roughly. About half the Bioware romances really squick me because 1) the PC is in a position of authority over the LI 2) the LI is significantly younger/less mature than the PC or 3) the LI is so psychologically damaged that the PC ends up being therapist more than lover. It doesn't feel ethical to romance them because the ability to say no is compromised.

But Miranda? She's an adult who is DEALING with her issues. She might be Shepard's XO but, since her real superior is TIM, it comes off as more of a rlationship between partner than commanding officer/subordinate.

Note to self: don't bring up consent issues in the main forum (Though I really appreciate Toshi defending me)

Those are some of the reasons why I love Miranda as my Shep's partner, and why I could never feel the same way for any other LI.

She's a mature woman, who is emotionaly balanced and developed IMO.

Everyone has issues. But in Miranda's case, she is dealing with them, and asks Shepard's help because she wants it, not because she needs it.



BTW, what happened in the main forum?

[shinobi602]

AccursedOdin wrote...
I got kind of tired of the whole 'Alpha Male asserting dominance over his underlings' thing from the first one. It was nice to be on equal footing Miranda.

Really? I didn't really get that vibe from ME1...well, not with Ash at least. I thought they were pretty much on equal terms

[ToshiStation38]

jtav wrote...

Time for a topic change, I think.

I am profoundly grateful that Miranda is older than Shepard and is roughly. About half the Bioware romances really squick me because 1) the PC is in a position of authority over the LI 2) the LI is significantly younger/less mature than the PC or 3) the LI is so psychologically damaged that the PC ends up being therapist more than lover. It doesn't feel ethical to romance them because the ability to say no is compromised.

But Miranda? She's an adult who is DEALING with her issues. She might be Shepard's XO but, since her real superior is TIM, it comes off as more of a rlationship between partner than commanding officer/subordinate.

Note to self: don't bring up consent issues in the main forum (Though I really appreciate Toshi defending me)

Oh yeah, that was your topic!

I agree with everything you're saying. This is something we've been saying for a while.

That topic was annoying. 80% of the posts were just "Tali's 24, Shepard's 31. That's only 7 years!". People are only looking at the arbitrary numerical value as opposed to their actual maturity levels. Tali admires Shep on a whole 'nother level, which is why I'd feel like I'm taking advantage of her.

Disclaimer: Before any Tali fans get angry, I'm not bashing you, I'm not saying you're wrong to romance Tali, and I don't disapprove of your choice. It's just not for me, is all, and this is why.

[Rathias0114]

Hm, I feel like sharing right now;

“Here, Shepard.”



They looked down at an opening in the vent shaft into one of the main cargo rooms of the hideout. They had been crawling for the past 15 minutes – and to finally know he was close to finding his enemy… to finding Miranda, Shepard couldn’t help but let out a sigh.



“Let’s get this over with.”



The drop was about 20 feet. As they both landed, years of combat training caught them to duck forward and allow most of the force from landing to spread throughout the body, instead of trying to stay on two feet. They quickly brought their weapons up when they stood back up – expecting to find a few mercs in the area, but there were none.



Lowering his rifle, Shepard turned to address Garrus, “I know this room. Didn’t the Blood Pack attempt to breach through this way when they began their attack?”



Garrus nodded, “Aye… and by the stench, or lack of I should say, I would say that they've has been using this place for awhile.”



“Let’s move then.”



As they took their first step towards the staircase that led to the main floor – an elevator chimed opened right in front of them. Out of it poured a group of mercs, all of them instantly firing down towards the pair as they exited.



Garrus leaned out of his cover, squeezing off two shots, sending both of them plummeting into one of the krogan mercs, sending its body flipping backwards from the force.



Shepard leaned out as well, sending four quick succession bursts from his vindicator rifle down the range – each burst effectively puncturing the helms and killing four of the mercs.



They spent the next five minutes exchanging fire with the final two – the enemy pair obviously being the best military trained out of the group that was sent down.



“We’re wasting time here, Shepard,” Garrus called out, popping a thermal clip out of his sniper.



Shepard surveyed the field – trying to figure out a way to quickly take out the lasts of the mercs – when he saw the giant container of gas dangling from the ceiling above them. He quickly shot towards the chains holding it up – and watched as the explosion ignited the two mercs on fire. They ran, screaming from behind cover, trying to find a way to douse the flames.



Garrus brought his sniper up in a mercy attempt to put them out of their misery, but Shepard stopped him, putting a hand on the barrel of the rifle and gently pushing it down, “No… no, they will suffer, Garrus.”

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I am profoundly grateful that Miranda is older than Shepard and is roughly. About half the Bioware romances really squick me because 1) the PC is in a position of authority over the LI 2) the LI is significantly younger/less mature than the PC or 3) the LI is so psychologically damaged that the PC ends up being therapist more than lover. It doesn't feel ethical to romance them because the ability to say no is compromised.

But Miranda? She's an adult who is DEALING with her issues. She might be Shepard's XO but, since her real superior is TIM, it comes off as more of a rlationship between partner than commanding officer/subordinate.

QFT!!!
That's exactly the reason why I was never quite comfortable with any of the ME1 romances, and why I am uncomfortable with romancing Jack while admitting she's a very interesting character (and beautiful under all those tatoos and the too-liberally applied lipstick). Tali is a borderline case because she's matured since ME1, but she's still not nearly on Shepard's level emotionally. Romancing Miranda just feels right.  

[Whole Particle]

jtav wrote...

Time for a topic change, I think.

I am profoundly grateful that Miranda is older than Shepard and is roughly. About half the Bioware romances really squick me because 1) the PC is in a position of authority over the LI 2) the LI is significantly younger/less mature than the PC or 3) the LI is so psychologically damaged that the PC ends up being therapist more than lover. It doesn't feel ethical to romance them because the ability to say no is compromised.

Some people seem to have been weirded out by the age difference, don't know why, it doesn't bother me any, I actually prefer it.

[Ieldra]

@Rathias0114:

Very nice scene. I must say Shepards attitude here is quite disturbing.



BTW, I've been told there isn't really much knockback from gunshots. Of course, it's artistic license and all, but you might want to consider it.

[Andysilv]

Rath/Meg, that was awesome, Shepard's a badass! Also, “We’re wasting time here, Shepard,” Garrus called out, popping a thermal clip out of his sniper. - I could totally hear Garrus saying that in my head!

[AccursedOdin]

shinobi602 wrote...

AccursedOdin wrote...
I got kind of tired of the whole 'Alpha Male asserting dominance over his underlings' thing from the first one. It was nice to be on equal footing Miranda.

Really? I didn't really get that vibe from ME1...well, not with Ash at least. I thought they were pretty much on equal terms

True, I didn't romance Ash all that much, and most of my playthroughs my Shep was single, so it's possible I'm remembering things that didn't really happen. That or it  was a poor choice in words. I'd go into greater detail, but Rath just posted an excerpt and I really need to look it over..

[Jskills023]

Hey,everybody hows everyone doing?OMG,the old thread was shut down more quickley then I expected(sorry if I'am late on this I have'nt been on this forums for a few days)and good job on the new thread.Is the fight still going strong people?

[Andysilv]

Whole Particle wrote...

jtav wrote...

Time for a topic change, I think.

I am profoundly grateful that Miranda is older than Shepard and is roughly. About half the Bioware romances really squick me because 1) the PC is in a position of authority over the LI 2) the LI is significantly younger/less mature than the PC or 3) the LI is so psychologically damaged that the PC ends up being therapist more than lover. It doesn't feel ethical to romance them because the ability to say no is compromised.

Some people seem to have been weirded out by the age difference, don't know why, it doesn't bother me any, I actually prefer it.

Also, don't forget that she will "probably live half as long again as the average human"so 35 to her probably isn't the same as 35 for the average human.

[Andysilv]

Jskills023 wrote...

Hey,everybody hows everyone doing?OMG,the old thread was shut down more quickley then I expected(sorry if I'am late on this I have'nt been on this forums for a few days)and good job on the new thread.Is the fight still going strong people?

Hey! I was wondering when you were going to show up, lol. The thread is good, it's been quiet on occasion and we've just been dealing with a troll but other than that, it's still as strong as ever.

[MegWithAMouth]

Good to see you, Jskills. It's been a while!

[AccursedOdin]

Rath/Meg: Great as usual, though I've gotta agree with Ieldra Shep's getting dark. Though it's an understandable transformation.

Modifié par AccursedOdin, 21 février 2010 - 08:24 .

[MegWithAMouth]

I actually don't mind the trolls. They bump the thread and give us something to discuss. Maybe it's only because I'm so comfortable and secure in my Miranda loooove that I know there probably isn't anything anyone could say to convince me to change my mind about her.

[supafreak1121]

Garrus brought his sniper up in a mercy attempt to put them out of their misery, but Shepard stopped him, putting a hand on the barrel of the rifle and gently pushing it down, “No… no, they will suffer, Garrus.”

Man another great line. The best part is I can totally picture my shep doing that.
Keep up the great work:wizard:

[Jskills023]

MegWithAMouth wrote...

I actually don't mind the trolls. They bump the thread and give us something to discuss. Maybe it's only because I'm so comfortable and secure in my Miranda loooove that I know there probably isn't anything anyone could say to convince me to change my mind about her.

Agree,I usealy just forget the trolls completly and just move on the loooooove discussion.

Modifié par Jskills023, 21 février 2010 - 08:29 .

[Whole Particle]

tonnactus wrote...

I dont defend the actions of her father.But if she growd up and decide,that she dont like that life,miranda have the right to help her.Not stole her as a baby and decide for her sister.

So she's supposed to suffer through (approximately) 18 years of torment living under her Father then "make the choice" to leave or not?

And after whatever happened to Miranda, I don't think he'd allow her sister to walk away that easily.

[jtav]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Time for a topic change, I think.

I am profoundly grateful that Miranda is older than Shepard and is roughly. About half the Bioware romances really squick me because 1) the PC is in a position of authority over the LI 2) the LI is significantly younger/less mature than the PC or 3) the LI is so psychologically damaged that the PC ends up being therapist more than lover. It doesn't feel ethical to romance them because the ability to say no is compromised.

But Miranda? She's an adult who is DEALING with her issues. She might be Shepard's XO but, since her real superior is TIM, it comes off as more of a rlationship between partner than commanding officer/subordinate.

Note to self: don't bring up consent issues in the main forum (Though I really appreciate Toshi defending me)

Oh yeah, that was your topic!

I agree with everything you're saying. This is something we've been saying for a while.

That topic was annoying. 80% of the posts were just "Tali's 24, Shepard's 31. That's only 7 years!". People are only looking at the arbitrary numerical value as opposed to their actual maturity levels. Tali admires Shep on a whole 'nother level, which is why I'd feel like I'm taking advantage of her.

Disclaimer: Before any Tali fans get angry, I'm not bashing you, I'm not saying you're wrong to romance Tali, and I don't disapprove of your choice. It's just not for me, is all, and this is why.

Yeah, I got the impression people weren't really listening to me. Thought about going back to clarify, but it's probably They made such a big deal abit you being her captain and nursing a crush on you that it made me uncomforable. As it is, Miranda's the only girl for my Paragon MaleShep.

[Jskills023]

Sorry if I'am late on this,but did Toshi finish the Miri portrait and did Rath/Meg write a new fanfic?