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[Ieldra]

Thanks, Mav. I had already seen, I know G3 - it's where I look first for BG-related mods these days.

Just to keep things at least a little bit on topic, I'll post yet another Miranda picture:



I'm writing a Miranda action scene right now - somehow in-game pictures are inspiring, even if my story features her at a much lower age.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 mars 2010 - 09:40 .

[Jebel Krong]

Yannkee wrote...

who would like to be in Vegas saturday ?

yes please! sadly i can't...

[Jebel Krong]

Maviarab wrote...

Sadly though, despite her being a very attractive woman, the reality is usually very far removed from the beauty of make-up, lights and editing that we see in TV & film...
Still, would go along if I lived there hehe

can be - but i don't think so in this case - having seen photos of her without makeup (twitter pics etc) she looks as beautiful au naturel. i remember when i met grace park from bsg and she was even prettier in person than on tv.

[jtav]

I can't sleep. What did I miss?

[Andysilv]

Maviarab wrote...

Sadly though, despite her being a very attractive woman, the reality is usually very far removed from the beauty of make-up, lights and editing that we see in TV & film...
Still, would go along if I lived there hehe

You're killing me, Mavi.

[Jebel Krong]

the discussion about the consequences of miranda's actions at the end of me2 for oriana was interesting - i wondered about that myself when it happened, although i doubt the illusive man would be quick to go against both miranda and shepard (even if you don't have all that juicy info about cerberus from that n7 mission).

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 19 mars 2010 - 10:25 .

[jtav]

I think he might. He sort of lost it in the Paragon ending.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

I think he might. He sort of lost it in the Paragon ending.

high statistical probability of death by gunshot. a punch to the face is also likely.

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...

the discussion about the consequences of miranda's actions at the end of me2 for oriana was interesting - i wondered about that myself when it happened, although i doubt the illusive man would be quick to go against both miranda and shepard (even if you don't have all that juicy info about cerberus from that n7 mission).

I also doubt it. At least not as long as the Reaper threat exists. Unless, of course, he himself is some sort of sleeper agent for the Reapers, promoting an agenda that will make humans more like Reapers without them being aware of being manipulated.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 mars 2010 - 10:49 .

[netwitbrian]

I really like this pic..it kind of rubs it in for the peeps who think her butt is too big...u go girl!!file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/qq145c/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.jpg

[Andysilv]

netwitbrian wrote...

I really like this pic..it kind of rubs it in for the peeps who think her butt is too big...u go girl!!file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/qq145c/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.jpg

You need to upload your pics somewhere like Imageshack for them to show up here.

[netwitbrian]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

the discussion about the consequences of miranda's actions at the end of me2 for oriana was interesting - i wondered about that myself when it happened, although i doubt the illusive man would be quick to go against both miranda and shepard (even if you don't have all that juicy info about cerberus from that n7 mission).

I also doubt it. At least not as long as the Reaper threat exists. Unless, of course, he himself is some sort of sleeper agent for the Reapers, promoting an agenda that will make humans more like Reapers without them being aware of being manipulated.

I think TIM is a prothean...maybe half human, half prothean and he want to use the reaper tech to attack them and get even with them for what they did to his race.  He is just using the humans cause they seem to be the only ones who can stop the reapers.

[netwitbrian]

andysilv87 wrote...

netwitbrian wrote...

I really like this pic..it kind of rubs it in for the peeps who think her butt is too big...u go girl!!file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/qq145c/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.jpg

You need to upload your pics somewhere like Imageshack for them to show up here.

I copied it from the post earlier...not my pic...but if someone else can do it, I truly thank you in advance!!

[Ieldra]

netwitbrian wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

the discussion about the consequences of miranda's actions at the end of me2 for oriana was interesting - i wondered about that myself when it happened, although i doubt the illusive man would be quick to go against both miranda and shepard (even if you don't have all that juicy info about cerberus from that n7 mission).

I also doubt it. At least not as long as the Reaper threat exists. Unless, of course, he himself is some sort of sleeper agent for the Reapers, promoting an agenda that will make humans more like Reapers without them being aware of being manipulated.

I think TIM is a prothean...maybe half human, half prothean and he want to use the reaper tech to attack them and get even with them for what they did to his race.  He is just using the humans cause they seem to be the only ones who can stop the reapers.

There's no indication for that. One option blithely assumes that a prothean/human mix is possible, something for which we have no indication. The other is even more unlikely, since protheans looked very different from humans.

I think we can count it a fact that TIM is not a completely natural human (I include genetically optimized humans under "natural"). His eyes are a giveaway that he has cybernetic implants at least. The question is: has he so many synthetic parts that he can't be counted a human any more? And does his vision of what being human means include half-synthetic hybrids? If yes, does his vision of human advancement include such hybridization? And again, if yes, with the Reapers being organic/synthetic hybrid artificial constructs, how far can you go in that direction without becoming much like them?

Maybe I'm thinking too much into this, but I think the main plot touches this question of what it might mean to be human, and how visions of future natural evolution, artificial evolution or hybridization provide several different answers.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 mars 2010 - 11:28 .

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

netwitbrian wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

the discussion about the consequences of miranda's actions at the end of me2 for oriana was interesting - i wondered about that myself when it happened, although i doubt the illusive man would be quick to go against both miranda and shepard (even if you don't have all that juicy info about cerberus from that n7 mission).

I also doubt it. At least not as long as the Reaper threat exists. Unless, of course, he himself is some sort of sleeper agent for the Reapers, promoting an agenda that will make humans more like Reapers without them being aware of being manipulated.

I think TIM is a prothean...maybe half human, half prothean and he want to use the reaper tech to attack them and get even with them for what they did to his race.  He is just using the humans cause they seem to be the only ones who can stop the reapers.

There's no indication for that. One option blithely assumes that a prothean/human mix is possible, something for which we have no indication. The other is even more unlikely, since protheans looked very different from humans.

I think we can count it a fact that TIM is not a completely natural human (I include genetically optimized humans under "natural"). His eyes are a giveaway that he has cybernetic implants at least. The question is: has he so many synthetic parts that he can't be counted a human any more? And does his vision of what being human means include half-synthetic hybrids? If yes, does his vision of human advancement include such hybridization? And again, if yes, with the Reapers being organic/synthetic hybrid artificial constructs, how far can you go in that direction without becoming much like them?

Maybe I'm thinking too much into this, but I think the main plot touches this question of what it might mean to be human, and how visions of future natural evolution, artificial evolution or hybridization provide several different answers.

an exploration of these themes, for both shepard and the illusive man would be very interesting, however in an action game i think too much introspection is unlikely (case in point the beginning of mass effect 2). it is interesting that TIM is obviously not-entirely human himself anymore (at least in the naked biological sense), given his stated aims (however perhaps human pre-eminence does not preclude certain augmentations).

i don't see "reaper-puppet" nor prothean influnce even hinted at, however pursuing the ideals of human perfection i can see, and this could include aforementioned augmentations, both biologically (miranda, shepard) and cybernetically (TIM, shepard).

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 19 mars 2010 - 11:53 .

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

netwitbrian wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

the discussion about the consequences of miranda's actions at the end of me2 for oriana was interesting - i wondered about that myself when it happened, although i doubt the illusive man would be quick to go against both miranda and shepard (even if you don't have all that juicy info about cerberus from that n7 mission).

I also doubt it. At least not as long as the Reaper threat exists. Unless, of course, he himself is some sort of sleeper agent for the Reapers, promoting an agenda that will make humans more like Reapers without them being aware of being manipulated.

I think TIM is a prothean...maybe half human, half prothean and he want to use the reaper tech to attack them and get even with them for what they did to his race.  He is just using the humans cause they seem to be the only ones who can stop the reapers.

There's no indication for that. One option blithely assumes that a prothean/human mix is possible, something for which we have no indication. The other is even more unlikely, since protheans looked very different from humans.

I think we can count it a fact that TIM is not a completely natural human (I include genetically optimized humans under "natural"). His eyes are a giveaway that he has cybernetic implants at least. The question is: has he so many synthetic parts that he can't be counted a human any more? And does his vision of what being human means include half-synthetic hybrids? If yes, does his vision of human advancement include such hybridization? And again, if yes, with the Reapers being organic/synthetic hybrid artificial constructs, how far can you go in that direction without becoming much like them?

Maybe I'm thinking too much into this, but I think the main plot touches this question of what it might mean to be human, and how visions of future natural evolution, artificial evolution or hybridization provide several different answers.

an exploration of these themes, for both shepard and the illusive man would be very interesting, however in an action game i think too much introspection is unlikely (case in point the beginning of mass effect 2). it is interesting that TIM is obviously not-entirely human himself anymore (at least in the naked biological sense), given his stated aims (however perhaps human pre-eminence does not preclude certain augmentations).

We have instances of such introspection, for instance in the way Miranda talks about her optimizations. But the game doesn't need to feature them itself. It's enough that it presents technology and events that make players ask these questions. I wonder if ME3 will feature more of this, maybe in form of decisions - if Shepard really has Reaper tech, at the end of ME3 he might decide that he's better off dead instead of in permanent danger of being irrevocably changed in ways he doesn't want or can't foresee.

All this makes me very curious about the details of ME3's plot. The curse of the sequel. I'm used to it in books, but now it comes to games as well - long waits and brains tied in knots from speculation. I appreciate it anyway, since long epic stories can be told that way.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 mars 2010 - 12:12 .

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

We have instances of such introspection, for instance in the way Miranda talks about her optimizations. But the game doesn't need to feature them itself. It's enough that it presents technology and events that make players ask these questions. I wonder if ME3 will feature more of this, maybe in form of decisions - if Shepard really has Reaper tech, at the end of ME3 he might decide that he's better off dead instead of in permanent danger of being irrevocably changed in ways he doesn't want or can't foresee.

All this makes me very curious about the details of ME3's plot. The curse of the sequel. I'm used to it in books, but now it comes to games as well - long waits and brains tied in knots from speculation. I appreciate it anyway, since long epic stories can be told that way.

yes we do - for miranda and others (mordin alludes to his age, for instance), but not for shepard (obviously keeping him as "blank-canvass" as possible as a player-protagonist), as i said the themes were there to be confronted at the beginning of mass effect 2, but as the intro to the game we don't get much more than a reinforcement of the notion that "you" are still "you" over an over, without any real evidence to support it.
i don't see reaper tech being in shepard as cerberus didn't have access to it that early (end-game only if you give them the base and okeer being the two known uses of it), but i guess we'll have to see how drew's 3rd novel plays out to be sure... although i personally think they aren't that good, they are pretty "canon" i guess.

and "being changed in unforseen ways" is part of life - i don't see shepard neelessly throwing his life away even if he did have reaper-tech inside him, he'd carry on fighting the good fight until the bitter end.

[Breakdown Boy]

What I am afraid of is the whole "RPG start from scratch concept", I really hope Bioware tries something new and allowes players to continue with at leas a majority of the squad from ME2. Like Garrus, Tali, Mordin, Legion, Thane, Miranda, Jacob and possibly Grunt. Samara, Jack and DLC characters will go their own way. So maby add a couple of ne characters but don't make the game about recruiting new team mates but rather getting old ones back....Ash/ Lenko/ Liara etc.



But I guess there needs to be content for the losers who couldn't bother to upgrade their ship or do the loyalty missions or that choose Jacob as the Tech expert! What i mean is the people that get everyone killed!



Bioware have a tough job ahead of them.

[Jebel Krong]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

What I am afraid of is the whole "RPG start from scratch concept", I really hope Bioware tries something new and allowes players to continue with at leas a majority of the squad from ME2. Like Garrus, Tali, Mordin, Legion, Thane, Miranda, Jacob and possibly Grunt. Samara, Jack and DLC characters will go their own way. So maby add a couple of ne characters but don't make the game about recruiting new team mates but rather getting old ones back....Ash/ Lenko/ Liara etc.

But I guess there needs to be content for the losers who couldn't bother to upgrade their ship or do the loyalty missions or that choose Jacob as the Tech expert! What i mean is the people that get everyone killed!

Bioware have a tough job ahead of them.

depends if they have metadata on what people have done. if 90% of people who've completed the game have, say miranda and jacob loyal and alive, then it is more likely they can weigh development efforts to bring them back. if not... well it is still the final part of the trilogy, i just don't see BW having the time to do material for 10+ squaddies plus all the new ones they'll have to come up with to fill out a party for people who kill everyone... sadly BW's own ambition kinda limits them now, come the resolution of the trology.

thane - terminal illness. tali - possibility of admiral position in the fleet. legion - returns to the geth hub. samara - continues as a justicar. grunt - goes to tuchunka. zaeed - mercenary. liara - hunting the shadow broker. ash/kaiden - still in the alliance.

the only ones "left" seemingly without purpose are garrus, miranda and jacob.

good dlc involving LI's etc. could soften the blow if they don't come back, though.

[Melra]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

What I am afraid of is the whole "RPG start from scratch concept", I really hope Bioware tries something new and allowes players to continue with at leas a majority of the squad from ME2. Like Garrus, Tali, Mordin, Legion, Thane, Miranda, Jacob and possibly Grunt. Samara, Jack and DLC characters will go their own way. So maby add a couple of ne characters but don't make the game about recruiting new team mates but rather getting old ones back....Ash/ Lenko/ Liara etc.

But I guess there needs to be content for the losers who couldn't bother to upgrade their ship or do the loyalty missions or that choose Jacob as the Tech expert! What i mean is the people that get everyone killed!

Bioware have a tough job ahead of them.

depends if they have metadata on what people have done. if 90% of people who've completed the game have, say miranda and jacob loyal and alive, then it is more likely they can weigh development efforts to bring them back. if not... well it is still the final part of the trilogy, i just don't see BW having the time to do material for 10+ squaddies plus all the new ones they'll have to come up with to fill out a party for people who kill everyone... sadly BW's own ambition kinda limits them now, come the resolution of the trology.

thane - terminal illness. tali - possibility of admiral position in the fleet. legion - returns to the geth hub. samara - continues as a justicar. grunt - goes to tuchunka. zaeed - mercenary. liara - hunting the shadow broker. ash/kaiden - still in the alliance.

the only ones "left" seemingly without purpose are garrus, miranda and jacob.

good dlc involving LI's etc. could soften the blow if they don't come back, though.

I thought I saw an interview where Casey said that the party members would be in the next one, stating that if they didn't then the suicide mission wouldn't have mattered as much, since losing members wouldn't have effected ME3 then.  I think it was interview from IGN. I'll try to find it when I come back home, now I gotta go to get myself some new glasses. 

[Andysilv]

Jebel Krong wrote...
good dlc involving LI's etc. could soften the blow if they don't come back, though.

It could, but I want...