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[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

bjdbwea wrote...

Actually, one might take the inclusion of a Tali romance as a sign that endless screaming on a forum can make a difference, though since I didn't see the forums during that time, I have no idea if that really was the reason. That said, since we have neither numbers nor the behaviour, we wouldn't be able to make the same impression anyway.

I dont think that was the case. In my opinion Garrus and Tali are remarkably shallow characters in ME2. I cant say they are badly written, just badly fleshed out.

I dont think Garrus and Tali were made the way they are entirely because of the response from fans. I think they were done that way because they were the easiest to carry over from ME1.

If they get hefty roles in ME3 rather than the cameos they should be getting, then I think well know for certain that Bioware is favouring these characters and taking a reaction from a vocal minority on the Bioware forums as a basis for a hefty portion of the game.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The devs and BW don't care about the post count, nope.

It was worth it to see Ashley in a party hat though!

The actual thread content itself, however, could have an influence over the decisions BioWare makes.

It's why I've always been proud of the Liara thread. There's alot of intelligent and indepth discussion that goes on in here, though as we've pretty much exhausted every last topic about Liara we're often repeating ourselves at the moment. We need the Liara DLC to give us something new to talk about!

Yeah, except, they don't read our thread

I could always find something to talk about...

...um, how was Benezia and Liara's relationship?  Warm?  Cold?  Mix?  Why did they stop talking to each other?  Was it because Benezia left to join Saren on his mission?   That's what I think.

[Lord Zeuss]

Hey guys, I just had this idea last night: Um, what if Liara is the immaculately-conceived child of the Prime Reaper? Inane, idiotic, or just plain a stupid idea?

Modifié par Lord Zeuss, 05 mai 2010 - 12:56 .

[WilliamShatner]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The devs and BW don't care about the post count, nope.

It was worth it to see Ashley in a party hat though!

The actual thread content itself, however, could have an influence over the decisions BioWare makes.

It's why I've always been proud of the Liara thread. There's alot of intelligent and indepth discussion that goes on in here, though as we've pretty much exhausted every last topic about Liara we're often repeating ourselves at the moment. We need the Liara DLC to give us something new to talk about!

Yeah, except, they don't read our thread

I could always find something to talk about...

...um, how was Benezia and Liara's relationship?  Warm?  Cold?  Mix?  Why did they stop talking to each other?  Was it because Benezia left to join Saren on his mission?   That's what I think.

Yep.

From Mr. Woo's comments I get the impressions no one reads this unless they are prompted into action if someone if violating the T&Cs.

1000 pages screaming to nothing.

Modifié par WilliamShatner, 05 mai 2010 - 12:58 .

[jlb524]

WilliamShatner wrote...

1000 pages screaming to nothing.

[Lord Zeuss]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Hey guys, I just had this idea last night: Um, what if Liara is the immaculately-conceived child of the Prime Reaper? Inane, idiotic, or just plain a stupid idea?

Benezia mated with a Reaper?

I think I'm going to vote for all three: Inane, idiotic, *and* just plain stupid. Although, I'm sure that would make her that "integral part of ME3" that Boware bigwigs have been promising for what, six years?

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Huh, I always assumed it was because Liara defied Benezia, and ran off to be an archaeologist rather than following in her footsteps and taking up an influential role is asari politics and society. I imagine that after Liara had left, the relationship between the pair of them would have cooled quite considerably, with them only contacting each other every few years, hence Liara saying that she hadn't spoken to Benezia in years.

I'd imagine that Liara would have been worried that Benezia was disappointed in her, and didn't love her as much as she used to. Benezia though, whilst undoubtedly saddened that her daughter didn't want to follow in her footsteps, was always proud of Liara, as she says before she dies. She would have been pleased that Liara was so assertive, and defied her in order to follow her passion and do something that she wanted to do. Liara always made Benezia proud.

See, I thought Benezia was OK with Liara becoming an archeologist.  She told her 'all daughters rebel against their mothers' or something similar.  This would have happened over 50 years ago as well.   I still think they kept a good relationship throughout Liara's schooling and early career.

I always thought Benezia grew distant after leaving to stop Saren and foil his plans, especially after she became indoctrinated.  I would imagine she had been a follower of Saren's for a few years....about the time frame that her and Liara stopped speaking with each other.

[jlb524]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I think I'm going to vote for all three: Inane, idiotic, *and* just plain stupid. Although, I'm sure that would make her that "integral part of ME3" that Boware bigwigs have been promising for what, six years?

Well, that would make her blue space Jesus so yeah.

[Lord Zeuss]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Huh, I always assumed it was because Liara defied Benezia, and ran off to be an archaeologist rather than following in her footsteps and taking up an influential role is asari politics and society. I imagine that after Liara had left, the relationship between the pair of them would have cooled quite considerably, with them only contacting each other every few years, hence Liara saying that she hadn't spoken to Benezia in years.

I'd imagine that Liara would have been worried that Benezia was disappointed in her, and didn't love her as much as she used to. Benezia though, whilst undoubtedly saddened that her daughter didn't want to follow in her footsteps, was always proud of Liara, as she says before she dies. She would have been pleased that Liara was so assertive, and defied her in order to follow her passion and do something that she wanted to do. Liara always made Benezia proud.

See, I thought Benezia was OK with Liara becoming an archeologist.  She told her 'all daughters rebel against their mothers' or something similar.  This would have happened over 50 years ago as well.   I still think they kept a good relationship throughout Liara's schooling and early career.

I always thought Benezia grew distant after leaving to stop Saren and foil his plans, especially after she became indoctrinated.  I would imagine she had been a follower of Saren's for a few years....about the time frame that her and Liara stopped speaking with each other.

Are we talking "a few years" or "a few asari years"? Because that can make a big difference. Just when did Saren and Sovereign get together, anyway? I'm not sure if that holds water.

[Lord Zeuss]

jlb524 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I think I'm going to vote for all three: Inane, idiotic, *and* just plain stupid. Although, I'm sure that would make her that "integral part of ME3" that Boware bigwigs have been promising for what, six years?

Well, that would make her blue space Jesus so yeah.

Well, hopefully "integral part of ME3" can be pulled off without being so ridiculously campy as my above suggestion. I believe LesEnfants put it correctly:

[jlb524]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Are we talking "a few years" or "a few asari years"? Because that can make a big difference. Just when did Saren and Sovereign get together, anyway? I'm not sure if that holds water.

Saren knew of Sovereign shortly after the events of the novel Revelation so, some time after 2165, 18 years before ME1, he found Sovereign and developed his plan.  Benezia joined up with him sometime within these 18 years.

[VonAnsorge]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Hey guys, I just had this idea last night: Um, what if Liara is the immaculately-conceived child of the Prime Reaper? Inane, idiotic, or just plain a stupid idea?

That's really crazy idea. I think Liara'd commit a suicide if that is truth.......

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Interesting. I always got the impression that Benezia and Liara's relationship was somewhat cool and distant even before she joined up with Saren. Liara was completely unaware of Benezia's intentions and what she was doing, remember. Surely if their relationship was still amiacable prior to Benezia joining up with Saren, then surely she would have informed Liara prior to doing so? She loves her daughter, and she'd want Liara to know that she's trying to accomplish something very dangerous and risky.

Maybe not...the less Liara knows about it, the safer she would be.

I always thought that Liara running off and becoming an archaeologist was the reason was to why their relationship cooled.

It probably did have an effect, but I wonder if this was the reason they stopped talking period.

[Lord Zeuss]

jlb524 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Are we talking "a few years" or "a few asari years"? Because that can make a big difference. Just when did Saren and Sovereign get together, anyway? I'm not sure if that holds water.

Saren knew of Sovereign shortly after the events of the novel Revelation so, some time after 2165, 18 years before ME1, he found Sovereign and developed his plan.  Benezia joined up with him sometime within these 18 years.

Is that really a sufficient amount of time for an asari to refer to as "I've not spoken to her in years"?

[jlb524]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Are we talking "a few years" or "a few asari years"? Because that can make a big difference. Just when did Saren and Sovereign get together, anyway? I'm not sure if that holds water.

Saren knew of Sovereign shortly after the events of the novel Revelation so, some time after 2165, 18 years before ME1, he found Sovereign and developed his plan.  Benezia joined up with him sometime within these 18 years.

Is that really a sufficient amount of time for an asari to refer to as "I've not spoken to her in years"?

I'd say yes, especially for a younger asari like Liara.

[Lord Zeuss]

justinnstuff wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Hey guys, I just had this idea last night: Um, what if Liara is the immaculately-conceived child of the Prime Reaper? Inane, idiotic, or just plain a stupid idea?

Way too far fetched. Remember we killed a reaper larvae at the end of ME2. To make one, you need millions upon millions of goo-ified organics.

Next-gen? ...

[Lord Zeuss]

jlb524 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Are we talking "a few years" or "a few asari years"? Because that can make a big difference. Just when did Saren and Sovereign get together, anyway? I'm not sure if that holds water.

Saren knew of Sovereign shortly after the events of the novel Revelation so, some time after 2165, 18 years before ME1, he found Sovereign and developed his plan.  Benezia joined up with him sometime within these 18 years.

Is that really a sufficient amount of time for an asari to refer to as "I've not spoken to her in years"?

I'd say yes, especially for a younger asari like Liara.

Ok, you've got a point there. The rate of time passage varies directly as age.