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[Nozybidaj]

MoSa09 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...
Interesting, where did you get that? Now that would qualify as a great revelation of the end of the fourth part of the comics, and could set up a nice story for dlc/ME 3 if it not only involves the SB, but also Cerberus and TIM. Deathly  triangle...

I dunno, I already pretty well emasculated TIM at the end of the suicide mission.  Any hold he had over Liara would have ended then and there.  It would serve as an explanantion on how she got her network setup so fast at least.

I just thought i could also add some sense to hear fear of Shep hating her. If she made a deal with TIM to hunt the SB and therefore get protection and access to Cerberus network while promising to stay away from Shepard, that would qualify as a reason to fear Shepard might hate her or be at least angry with what she did.

True, I could see that playing into her guilt.

[Nozybidaj]

Noxis6 wrote...

The would really be an interesting twist and explain quite some things for example the whole bugged office excuse.
I could definitly see Liara doing this out of the need to protect herself from the Shadow Broker,but I'm a bit unsure what TIM would get out of this setting her up as an info broker on Illium.

Probably just using her as a shield to keep the SB away from Shepard.

[Sakhalin]

Hmmm Liara working for Cerberus actually makes logical sense. Where did this rumor come from? Did it stem from someone's speculation?

[Marcin K]

Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

I heard a rumor that Liara is actually working for Cerberus in ME2. After giving them the body the Illusive Man makes her an offer. She's given resources and protection from the Shadow Broker, with the caveat that she doesn't interact with Shepard when he/she returns. It's an interesting twist and certainly explains a few things. It explains her demeanor, how she set up her network in such a sort period of time and most importantly why the Shadow Broker hasn't killed her yet.

This would be interesting, especially if Shepard antagonizes TIM/Cerberus a the end of ME2.  It would be personally troublesome for my Renegade Sole Survivor Shepard (who utterly despises Cerberus and told TIM to go to hell after blowing up the Collector base) to know that her Liara is working for Cerberus and may now even be in danger from them due to her actions.

Well, now that the suicide mission is over and I told TIM to stuff it there is no reason for her not to come on board the Normandy now so we can work together to take out the SB.  

I could see it as being more of a hurdle if you side with TIM, acknowledging you basically work "for him" and he can now dictate the terms of your relationship with Liara.

so now this [refer to ME1 scene  before Ilos &Liara] will be called "working"...

Modifié par Marcin R, 03 mars 2010 - 06:40 .

[Raanz]

Hehe this has me putting a couple of brain cells to this theory. If TiM has manipulated Liara in this way...then he has something to hold over Shep in ME3. Shep has the Cerberus Normandy..he converts two of TiM's "best" operatives (what happens if you turn the Collector base over to Cerberus? I have never went that route..does Miranda still resign?). Shep also has incriminating evidence on Cerberus (if you kept the data for yourself that you retrieved from doing the captured agent mission).

We do know that what is fixed or in place for 3 is that you have control of the new Normandy and two Cerb operatives (if they didn't die). Bottom line is Shep vs Cerberus as a storyline, and if TiM does have some kind of "hold" on Liara, that would be interesting. The data thing could have been chosen either way.

In ME3, Bioware will have to deal with 3 major conflicts: Cerberus vs Shepard, Shepard vs Reapers, Galaxy vs Reapers

[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...


Well, now that the suicide mission is over and I told TIM to stuff it there is no reason for her not to come on board the Normandy now so we can work together to take out the SB. 

I could see it as being more of a hurdle if you side with TIM, acknowledging you basically work "for him" and he can now dictate the terms of your relationship with Liara.

I'm more worried TIM would go after Liara to get revenge on Shepard (or to bring Shepard back under his heel).  Hopefully Shepard could get to her before TIM if these things were to happen.

[Nozybidaj]

Marcin R wrote...

so now this [refer to ME1 scene  before Ilos &Liara] will be called "working"...

Oh my Shep and Liara would be "working" it, you can count on that. :D

[Yeled]

MoSa09 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...
Interesting, where did you get that? Now that would qualify as a great revelation of the end of the fourth part of the comics, and could set up a nice story for dlc/ME 3 if it not only involves the SB, but also Cerberus and TIM. Deathly  triangle...

I dunno, I already pretty well emasculated TIM at the end of the suicide mission.  Any hold he had over Liara would have ended then and there.  It would serve as an explanantion on how she got her network setup so fast at least.

I just thought i could also add some sense to hear fear of Shep hating her. If she made a deal with TIM to hunt the SB and therefore get protection and access to Cerberus network while promising to stay away from Shepard, that would qualify as a reason to fear Shepard might hate her or be at least angry with what she did.

All this is well and good, but if its true they really should have given stronger clues in the actual game.  Having backstory that reveals motivations of characters and hiding it from the audience makes no sense.

[Noxis6]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Probably just using her as a shield to keep the SB away from Shepard.

I dont know if that would work,its safe to say the Shadow Broker has agents on the Citadell and Omega so he knows Shepard is alive and theres just no indication that he wants to get his hands on Shepard again in the game.

[vigna]

Raanz wrote...

Hehe this has me putting a couple of brain cells to this theory. If TiM has manipulated Liara in this way...then he has something to hold over Shep in ME3. Shep has the Cerberus Normandy..he converts two of TiM's "best" operatives (what happens if you turn the Collector base over to Cerberus? I have never went that route..does Miranda still resign?). Shep also has incriminating evidence on Cerberus (if you kept the data for yourself that you retrieved from doing the captured agent mission).
We do know that what is fixed or in place for 3 is that you have control of the new Normandy and two Cerb operatives (if they didn't die). Bottom line is Shep vs Cerberus as a storyline, and if TiM does have some kind of "hold" on Liara, that would be interesting. The data thing could have been chosen either way.
In ME3, Bioware will have to deal with 3 major conflicts: Cerberus vs Shepard, Shepard vs Reapers, Galaxy vs Reapers

EDI, said it would take around a year for her to decrypt though. But the info, itself, may be worth more than we think I suppose.

[Raanz]

jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...


Well, now that the suicide mission is over and I told TIM to stuff it there is no reason for her not to come on board the Normandy now so we can work together to take out the SB. 

I could see it as being more of a hurdle if you side with TIM, acknowledging you basically work "for him" and he can now dictate the terms of your relationship with Liara.

I'm more worried TIM would go after Liara to get revenge on Shepard (or to bring Shepard back under his heel).  Hopefully Shepard could get to her before TIM if these things were to happen.

This is beginning to make more and more sense to me, because think about it:  This storyline could work either way...whether you are romantically involved with Liara or not...it works.   Afterall, she didn't have to be your romantic interest to go after your body, that story is in place regardless.

[vigna]

Oh yeah, isn't Shephard breaking all kinds of Alliance laws by even having EDI now that she'sa loose AI?

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...


Well, now that the suicide mission is over and I told TIM to stuff it there is no reason for her not to come on board the Normandy now so we can work together to take out the SB. 

I could see it as being more of a hurdle if you side with TIM, acknowledging you basically work "for him" and he can now dictate the terms of your relationship with Liara.

I'm more worried TIM would go after Liara to get revenge on Shepard (or to bring Shepard back under his heel).  Hopefully Shepard could get to her before TIM if these things were to happen.

Well if BW goes with some sort of "now you have to save Liara from Cerberus too" line it is just getting to be too much.  They already went with the whole "rocky' romance in ME2.  At some point they have to know they are just going overboard and serving no purpose other than to troll the fans.  I think telling TIM off and leaving Cerberus is the best point in the story for Liara to come back, especially if TIM was manipulating her. 

If they just keep dragging it out and dragging it out into ME3 and beyond it'll just be ridiculous.

[MoSa09]

Yeled wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...
Interesting, where did you get that? Now that would qualify as a great revelation of the end of the fourth part of the comics, and could set up a nice story for dlc/ME 3 if it not only involves the SB, but also Cerberus and TIM. Deathly  triangle...

I dunno, I already pretty well emasculated TIM at the end of the suicide mission.  Any hold he had over Liara would have ended then and there.  It would serve as an explanantion on how she got her network setup so fast at least.

I just thought i could also add some sense to hear fear of Shep hating her. If she made a deal with TIM to hunt the SB and therefore get protection and access to Cerberus network while promising to stay away from Shepard, that would qualify as a reason to fear Shepard might hate her or be at least angry with what she did.

All this is well and good, but if its true they really should have given stronger clues in the actual game.  Having backstory that reveals motivations of characters and hiding it from the audience makes no sense.

If this is the great revelation of the comics, it makes a lot of sense. You could argue that such info belong do belong in the game and not into further stuff like comics, but that kind of merchandising is the way the industry goes for years now, and this will become even bigger in the future, so it's rather futile if you ask me to try to turn the tide.

[Marcin K]

vigna wrote...

EDI, said it would take around a year for her to decrypt though. But the info, itself, may be worth more than we think I suppose.

Shepard could buy a CPU pugrade on some [black]market to make her go faster=]
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[Nozybidaj]

General Stubbs wrote...
I have no idea how BW will ever be able to explain that. Shepard should be in tears for that scene seeing Liara completely change for no apparent reason (to Shepard anyways) and seeing her suffer so much. But "stone-faced Shepard" just sits there like a moron.

Well Shep just kinda sits there like a moron for most of the game so it at the least fits the trend of ME2.

[Marcin K]

Nozybidaj wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...
I have no idea how BW will ever be able to explain that. Shepard should be in tears for that scene seeing Liara completely change for no apparent reason (to Shepard anyways) and seeing her suffer so much. But "stone-faced Shepard" just sits there like a moron.

Well Shep just kinda sits there like a moron for most of the game so it at the least fits the trend of ME2.

it hould be called Mass Effect Moron instead of 2 in the end....
and ME3 if it will be good could be named ME Salvation:D
numbers seems so boring in comparison to ME title design...

Modifié par Marcin R, 03 mars 2010 - 06:51 .

[bjdbwea]

That theory of yours doesn't explain what's really the main problem of the ME 2 Liara fiasco: The total absence of any way for Shepard to bring up their relationship. He wouldn't know why Liara can't say anything, so why wouldn't he try? Let her come up with an awkward excuse or whatever. Let her motion him to be silent, you wouldn't even need to record any VO for that. Still too vague and too little for my taste, but at least some hint that there's something - anything - going on.

[jlb524]

General Stubbs wrote...

Shepard is pretty much left in the dark throughout that whole situation, she/he doesn't even know Liara got her/his body back until Liara tells her/him.

I always wondered why Shepard couldn't ask Miranda how the heck Cerberus got a hold of Shepard's dead body...

[Noxis6]

jlb524 wrote...
I always wondered why Shepard couldn't ask Miranda how the heck Cerberus got a hold of Shepard's dead body...

In addition to that I also wondered why you could never asked what sort of implants they put into him or how they regenerated a corpse,I find it hard to believe the standart issue implants of the ME universe do that.

Modifié par Noxis6, 03 mars 2010 - 06:58 .

[Fiannawolf]

I hope the Liara DLC comes out mid April or the same day that the last comic comes out. I need closure!