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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

"EDIT" Am i'm the only one one these boards who are bothered by the renegade scars?!

Nah, come to think of it I think it's pretty daft that nobody comments on them too.

As Liara has been haunted with the guilt for handing the body over to Cerberus, and has been worried what they will do to Shepard, then how is she going to feel when Shepard shows up scarred like that? She'd be mortified.

Well, he/she'd would have to be a pretty bad person at that one, so servers them right. Then again, Liara's turning into a bad person nowadays, so she might find it kinky...

(sigh) Everyone think's renegade's cool nowadays, corrupting Garrus (if you let it happen) and Liara.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Posting this picture again for great justice!

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Also my connection will be cut in in roughly 20 minutes so i'll will be going now! Cya tommorow.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara did actually see Shepard's body. She was looking through the window with Miranda as the Cerberus scientists began working on it.

We kind of see Shepard's body too. It looks like it's just comprised of meat and muscle tissue. There's no discernable race or gender at all. That's Liara's lover there, sitting on a table as a bad of meat.

Poor Liara at having to see that...

Though I do like that she's back in the research uniform.

[bjdbwea]

Yeah, and how would Shepard feel about the whole thing? Really, the whole "dead and reborn" scenario could be interesting, but in this totally shallow and meaningless way, it's only bad and should never have been done. If you can't or won't invest the effort to make it proper, rather go with a conventional story line.

But, as has often been said: For the shooter crowd, compared to their usual games, it's obviously still an amazing and "awesome!" story. RPG players are much harder to please, I wonder if they are deliberately trying to push us away. At least they're not doing anything to please us at the moment.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 06 mai 2010 - 08:05 .

[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

But, as has often been said: For the shooter crowd, compared to their usual games, it's obviously still an amazing and "awesome!" story. RPG players are much harder to please, I wonder if they are deliberately trying to push us away. At least they're not doing anything to please us at the moment.

That's true...story took a back seat to shooting in ME2, unfortunately. 

[jlb524]

Her guilt and fear was kind of tackled, in an easy to miss dialog option. They could have done a lot better with the whole thing, Shepard's 'resurrection', Liara's role in it an her feelings about it, Shepard's feelings about it, Miranda's feelings about it (she does eventually get to know Shepard as a person and not just meat and tubes) etc.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Yeah, and how would Shepard feel about the whole thing? Really, the whole "dead and reborn" scenario could be interesting, but in this totally shallow and meaningless way, it's only bad and should never have been done. If you can't or won't invest the effort to make it proper, rather go with a conventional story line.

Very true. There was a great opportunity for some really interesting and mature themes being tackled with the whole plot point of Shepard dying. Would could have had some great philosophical and existentialist questions raised.

Like I said though, at least Liara's guilt and fear was somewhat tackled...

Yeah, but it's still done badly. Everyone just seems to be "What? You're alive?! That's great!
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So... um... My ex-girlfriend just stole my car... any chance you can help me with that?"

<_<

You know, no one asks "So how "are" you still alive?" or how they felt after you died, or how "you" feel after being brought back. Hell, Wrex didn't even know the Normandy blew up.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 06 mai 2010 - 08:21 .

[jlb524]

Jacob does ask a romanced FemShep about her feelings on the whole 'coming back from the dead after 2 years' ordeal.  I believe that is the only time Shepard gets to express an opinion on the situation, besides with Liara.  With Liara, Shepard's choices are painfully limited to, 'You did the right thing'  and 'You did this to me!?!?!  RAGE!!!!!'

[IndigoWolfe]

jlb524 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara has been haunted with the guilt for handing the body over to Cerberus, and has been worried what they will do to Shepard, then how is she going to feel when Shepard shows up scarred like that? She'd be mortified.

Well, remember the last time Liara saw Shepard, he/she was in much worse shape. I think she would be able to handle scars. Yeah, there probably would have been a comment on her part, but I don't think she'd be mortified.

Now I wonder if Liara opened Shep's 'coffin' at some point during the trip to the Cerberus station to get a peak at the body.

If not then she surely saw it on the operating table.

[bjdbwea]

Where are the emotions in ME 2 anyway? Where are the feelings? You had it in all BioWare games, including ME 1, in fact it's one thing BioWare were most renowned for, but it's nearly completely absent in ME 2. No one really cares about anything, with a few exceptions here and there. And even then it's often a bit unbelievable. The one real exception is Kelly, even though they couldn't be bothered to make her a full romance. I still wonder why.

[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

Where are the emotions in ME 2 anyway? Where are the feelings? You had it in all BioWare games, including ME 1, in fact it's one thing BioWare were most renowned for, but it's nearly completely absent in ME 2. No one really cares about anything, with a few exceptions here and there. And even then it's often a bit unbelievable. The one real exception is Kelly, even though they couldn't be bothered to make her a full romance. I still wonder why.

What are you talking about?  ME2 is the most 'emotionally engaging' story BW's ever written

Yeah, the Kelly 'romance' started out good...she seems to truly care about Shepard.....and then it turns into a bit of a side-show with the stripping and she didn't get a serious 'love scene' like the others.

[Sunnie]

jlb524 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...
I'm awaiting for E3 before I start to give my hopes up on story content.

Don't worry, I will be there to see first hand. Of course I'll let you all know...for a ...price

How much?

You do need to harrass them for us! 

Well, what are you offering?

Well, you don't want cash, so I'll have to think of a suitable replacement.  Bake you a cake?

Cake might work, I like pie too!

[jlb524]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Cake might work, I like pie too!

Perfect!  I will offer you some tasty pie!

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jlb524 wrote...

Jacob does ask a romanced FemShep about her feelings on the whole 'coming back from the dead after 2 years' ordeal.  I believe that is the only time Shepard gets to express an opinion on the situation, besides with Liara.  With Liara, Shepard's choices are painfully limited to, 'You did the right thing'  and 'You did this to me!?!?!  RAGE!!!!!'

Ah, Jacob... the one person that I'll never romance because he's a guy, and because he's bland, yet he's the one person that asks about my feelings... Damn you irony. Oh, how you so mock me.

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jlb524 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Cake might work, I like pie too!

Perfect!  I will offer you some tasty pie!

I like Cherry Chapstik also!

[Jack Package]

¡Buenas tardes, señoras y señores!

You were just talking about the "seeing Shep's dead body" issue and the death-rebirth theme. I had some thoughts on these topics some time ago and I thing that IF the writers want to fix the Liara romance in ME 3 (or DLC) these two issues could serve them as kind of a backdoor.
I can imagine that the could pull something like this:
- Liara was rather reserved (especially her behaviour after the kiss) because when she saw Shepard she was reminded of the images in her head concerning his dead body and it is still hard for her to handle that Shepard was resurrected.
- The fact in general that Shep was resurrected is hard to accept for her, for she does not know how this whole procedure affected her/him. Is she/he still the same person? Does she/he still love her? and so on...

Edit: he+she so that the Femsheps here are happy:kissing:

Modifié par Jack Package, 06 mai 2010 - 08:54 .

[OrbitalWings]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

It looks like it's just comprised of meat and muscle tissue. There's no discernable race or gender at all. That's Liara's lover there, sitting on a table as a bad of meat.

Poor Liara at having to see that...

That's actually something I really want to tackle in a fic. It's intended to be a companion piece to that drawing I'm doing of them "getting busy"

Of course, in my usual way of doing things - I'll balance the sexyness with something touching too.

I was thinking - when Shepard and Liara make love for the first time after ME2 - she's going to have to stop and think that this lovely smooth and toned body that's pressing against her - she's seen that as "nothing but meat and tubes"

[bjdbwea]

jlb524 wrote...

Jacob does ask a romanced FemShep about her feelings on the whole 'coming back from the dead after 2 years' ordeal.  I believe that is the only time Shepard gets to express an opinion on the situation, besides with Liara.

Really? What can Shepard say to Jacob? I really can't be bothered to play through his romance.