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Right - call to all my fanfic readers.

The "official" reboot of my Freya/Liara canon begins tonight. Now - where should I start? With the first chapter of a long multi-chapter fic that charts a lot of ME2, or with perhaps a smaller oneshot to break the updated canon in?

EDIT: Hmmmm first post of the page......that deserves a pic...
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Noxis6 wrote...

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But to come back to the Liara problem,as said it feels unnatural and it feels so uncalled for,there were other ways to have this character develop and grow that were more natural,l
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That's my main problem with the whole thing, it was completely uncalled for and feels like instead of asking themselves "how do we grow this character" they asked "how can we make as many people as possible dislike the character".  Then they didn't even put the effort into it to make it all feel natural and believable.

The whole last page is pretty much summed up with two words.  Terrible writing.

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bjdbwea wrote...

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The final question is then do we accept Liara, as a symbol of the galaxy itself, for what she is now, not what we want her to be? Or do we rage against the unfairness of life itself?


No, but against the unfairness of BioWare. I don't get this desire for "dark" stories or "grey" characters. Of course life is complicated, and often there is no happy end, but what's wrong with having it in a book / movie / game? You can always argue that trashing a character is "only realistic", but what's wrong with not doing it? What's wrong with wanting an ME 2 where Shepard continues the quest for stopping the reapers, with his/her "true" LI at his/her side? Of course you can still add some "rockyness" to the relationship, but you don't need to obliterate the characters for that.

That said, I could live with the change in Liara's character and role, if - and it always comes back to this - the writing were at least halfway decent. It isn't though. And if you can't be bothered to invest the necessary effort, then rather stick with the established character design, as that reduces the required effort.


Agree with pretty much everything you said there, especially the first part.

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Cartims wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Cake might work, I like pie too!


Perfect!  I will offer you some tasty pie!


Damn, J took my spot as receiver of E3 info!

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You don' t have pie!

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justinnstuff wrote...
I just don't have the ingredients to bake a pie at my house currently ^_^

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Sunnie22 wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...
I just don't have the ingredients to bake a pie at my house currently ^_^

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He means he doesnt have the stuff necessary to make it.:?

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Somebody1003 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...
I just don't have the ingredients to bake a pie at my house currently ^_^

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He means he doesnt have the stuff necessary to make it.:?

 And never will !

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Nozybidaj wrote...

The whole last page is pretty much summed up with two words.  Terrible writing.

WB Nozy!

Yes, this is the bottom line, and what has always been the bottom line of 99% of what's discussed in the entire thread.

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Cartims wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...
I just don't have the ingredients to bake a pie at my house currently ^_^

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He means he doesnt have the stuff necessary to make it.:?

 And never will !

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Well, technically he has half of the stuff, he would need a girlfriend for the other half..Image IPB

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Sunnie22 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

The whole last page is pretty much summed up with two words.  Terrible writing.

WB Nozy!

Yes, this is the bottom line, and what has always been the bottom line of 99% of what's discussed in the entire thread.


Good point, so to sum up the last 1,026 pages -- "Terrible writing". :P

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Nozybidaj wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

The whole last page is pretty much summed up with two words.  Terrible writing.

WB Nozy!

Yes, this is the bottom line, and what has always been the bottom line of 99% of what's discussed in the entire thread.


Good point, so to sum up the last 1,026 pages -- "Terrible writing". :P

You just won the thread! Image IPB

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Sunnie22 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

The whole last page is pretty much summed up with two words.  Terrible writing.

WB Nozy!

Yes, this is the bottom line, and what has always been the bottom line of 99% of what's discussed in the entire thread.


Good point, so to sum up the last 1,026 pages -- "Terrible writing". :P

You just won the thread! Image IPB


:o  What did I win??  :o

/crosses fingers and hopes for an ME2 that is a sequel to ME1

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Nozybidaj wrote...

:o  What did I win??  :o

/crosses fingers and hopes for an ME2 that is a sequel to ME1


Keep dreaming....maybe ME3 will be that sequel?  :D

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Nozybidaj wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

The whole last page is pretty much summed up with two words.  Terrible writing.

WB Nozy!

Yes, this is the bottom line, and what has always been the bottom line of 99% of what's discussed in the entire thread.


Good point, so to sum up the last 1,026 pages -- "Terrible writing". :P

You just won the thread! Image IPB


:o  What did I win??  :o

/crosses fingers and hopes for an ME2 that is a sequel to ME1

Oh sorry, they tell me time travel machines havent been invented yet.  Instead you get a cake.

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ME3: Revenge of the Shepards!

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Right - call to all my fanfic readers.

The "official" reboot of my Freya/Liara canon begins tonight. Now - where should I start? With the first chapter of a long multi-chapter fic that charts a lot of ME2, or with perhaps a smaller oneshot to break the updated canon in?


I say go with the one shot to break it in, then start with the first chapter.  I think a nice little compact one shot would be the best way to introduce it. 

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jlb524 wrote...

I say go with the one shot to break it in, then start with the first chapter.  I think a nice little compact one shot would be the best way to introduce it. 


Heh.....I was worried no one even saw the announcement....

I'll get onto it soon :D

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I love the new banner, J!

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I say go with the one shot to break it in, then start with the first chapter.  I think a nice little compact one shot would be the best way to introduce it. 


Heh.....I was worried no one even saw the announcement....

I'll get onto it soon :D


I saw it...was just distracted for a few hours and finally got back here to think about it....  :innocent:

now get on than fanfic!!!  :o

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ratzerman wrote...

I love the new banner, J!


Thanks!  I've been making banners all night! 

I need something else on the right...

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jlb524 wrote...
now get on than fanfic!!!  :o


I'M GOING I'M GOING

Need to get into my Liara-Writing-Zone

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jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

:o  What did I win??  :o

/crosses fingers and hopes for an ME2 that is a sequel to ME1


Keep dreaming....maybe ME3 will be that sequel?  :D


No, I don't think anyone really expects that at this point.  Good or bad we're plowing forward it seems.

Still, it'll be one of those things, that regardless of what they do in ME3, we'll all look back on it years from now and think "Man I wish BW would do a remake of ME2 and ME3 that picked up where ME1 left off."  It'll never happen but it doesn't make me want it any less.

There was such potential there, its just a shame to see it all pissed away. :(

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jlb524 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

I love the new banner, J!


Thanks!  I've been making banners all night! 

I need something else on the right...


Should make one for us "pessimists".  Archaeologists aren't "Dark and Edgy"

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Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

I love the new banner, J!


Thanks!  I've been making banners all night! 

I need something else on the right...


Should make one for us "pessimists".  Archaeologists aren't "Dark and Edgy"


I could make one that says 'Information Brokers are Sexy'.  :wizard:
They are dark and edgy.

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Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

:o  What did I win??  :o

/crosses fingers and hopes for an ME2 that is a sequel to ME1


Keep dreaming....maybe ME3 will be that sequel?  :D


No, I don't think anyone really expects that at this point.  Good or bad we're plowing forward it seems.

Still, it'll be one of those things, that regardless of what they do in ME3, we'll all look back on it years from now and think "Man I wish BW would do a remake of ME2 and ME3 that picked up where ME1 left off."  It'll never happen but it doesn't make me want it any less.

There was such potential there, its just a shame to see it all pissed away. :(

Very true... but there is still a chance we will be totally surprised and everything we have been complaining about will be fixed. Mind you , I am not going to hold my breath, I expect nothing at this point so I won't be really upset should the expected disaster happen.