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jlb524 wrote...

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Liara kneels before no one! Unless she's............... well.............

*mind wanders to dirty places*


I think I have a pic of her kneeling before my Shepard...

hmm....:bandit::bandit::bandit::bandit: i really wonder how frequently PM-inboxes are checked around here....;)
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How about kneeling before Liara?

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

How about kneeling before Liara?

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:o:P:D PURE WIN:P
P.S. nice idea btw...:P

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I'd rather kneel before Liara.

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jlb524 wrote...

I'd rather kneel before Liara.

strong second:wizard::wizard:

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jlb524 wrote...

I'd rather kneel before Liara.


True story.

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Damn I love that mini-comic.



Just what on earth is Freya doing to Liara under that desk? Must you be over 18 to find out? :P

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About the Liara/justicar thing...I don't see her going the route of a single-minded crime-fighter. Right now, I think she's going to stay in the information business, build up her political power and influence, and follow in her mother's footsteps.



I'm not sure if she's going to go back to the archaeology thing. The big mystery that drove her into that profession has been solved. The information field is similar to archaeology, which is why she excels at it, but it is more pertinent to current galactic affairs. It is possible she could do more 'good' being and information broker, than an archaeologist.

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jlb524 wrote...

About the Liara/justicar thing...I don't see her going the route of a single-minded crime-fighter. Right now, I think she's going to stay in the information business, build up her political power and influence, and follow in her mother's footsteps.


Hmm, I can't see that happening based upon the fact that Liara hates her job as an information broker, and everything it entails, and that her only motivation and reason for working in the field is so that she can find the Shadow Broker. Nothing else.

Plus, Nyxeris does say that Liara could hold even more power and influence if she wanted to, but which she obviously forgoes. To me, this suggests that Liara doesn't want the power, or has any ambition to increase her influence working as an information broker, and her solitary goal is to find and destroy the Shadow Broker. Once she's done that, I think she's finished as an information broker.

I can see Liara eventually taking up some sort of leadership role in asari society, however. That would be similar to Benezia.

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jlb524 wrote...

About the Liara/justicar thing...I don't see her going the route of a single-minded crime-fighter. Right now, I think she's going to stay in the information business, build up her political power and influence, and follow in her mother's footsteps.

I'm not sure if she's going to go back to the archaeology thing. The big mystery that drove her into that profession has been solved.  The information field is similar to archaeology, which is why she excels at it, but it is more pertinent to current galactic affairs. It is possible she could do more 'good' being and information broker, than an archaeologist.


Bolded the second paragraph for emphasis, I totally agree with that. I really hope we get to tell Liara what really happened to the Protheans as well.

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Was it specifically the extinction of the Protheans that Liara was interested in, or just the Protheans in general? If it were the latter, then I can imagine that there's still plenty of secrets and information to un-earth, especially concerning Prothean culture and society. Because the Reapers stripped away most traces of them, there's little that galactic civilization knows about them. Liara could then pursue her interest in the Protheans in that manner.

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jlb524 wrote...

About the Liara/justicar thing...I don't see her going the route of a single-minded crime-fighter. Right now, I think she's going to stay in the information business, build up her political power and influence, and follow in her mother's footsteps.

I'm not sure if she's going to go back to the archaeology thing. The big mystery that drove her into that profession has been solved. The information field is similar to archaeology, which is why she excels at it, but it is more pertinent to current galactic affairs. It is possible she could do more 'good' being and information broker, than an archaeologist.


Well frankly if they badly want to keep her out of the ME3 squad,that would be a way,though its would be another kick in the face that she would suddenly want to be what her mother was,but then again I'm prepared for the worst
Problem so far with following in Benezias footsteps right now is,first shes just too young right now and she may be big on Illium but thats not part of Asari space so I doubt she has any large significance outside of the Terminus systems right now

As for the Archeaology thing well sure the mystery why the Protheans are gone is solved,but not really accepted right now,actually her fighting to get it accepted would have made another more natural progression of her character and you could argue while that is gone there is still stuff left to find out about them and should the reapers be reduced to junk theres an entire new field opening
Besides if the repears posses even just an inch more motivation then the Darkspawn had,for wiping out all life in the galaxy,I think the whole galactic community might change vastly

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Was it specifically the extinction of the Protheans that Liara was interested in, or just the Protheans in general? If it were the latter, then I can imagine that there's still plenty of secrets and information to un-earth, especially concerning Prothean culture and society. Because the Reapers stripped away most traces of them, there's little that galactic civilization knows about them. Liara could then pursue her interest in the Protheans in that manner.


She mentions in ME1 "and then they mysteriously vanished. I have dedicated my life to discovering why". Maybe a word or two was different, but her main focus was figuring out why they disappeared. Now we know. Also she got the cypher from Shepard to figure out where the conduit is, so she'd know a lot more than she used to. She's already got their history. What else is there to learn?

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She mentions in ME1 "and then they mysteriously vanished. I have dedicated my life to discovering why". Maybe a word or two was different, but her main focus was figuring out why they disappeared. Now we know. Also she got the cypher from Shepard to figure out where the conduit is, so she'd know a lot more than she used to. She's already got their history. What else is there to learn?


I doubt she has the Cypher,otherwise she would understand the Prothean transmission on Illos,which she doesnt so I would say Shepard and Shaila are the only people in possesion of it,but then again that plotpoint seems to have been thrown out of the window so its not really worth debating about it

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She mentions in ME1 "and then they mysteriously vanished. I have dedicated my life to discovering why". Maybe a word or two was different, but her main focus was figuring out why they disappeared. Now we know. Also she got the cypher from Shepard to figure out where the conduit is, so she'd know a lot more than she used to. She's already got their history. What else is there to learn?


I doubt she has the Cypher,otherwise she would understand the Prothean transmission on Illos,which she doesnt so I would say Shepard and Shaila are the only people in possesion of it,but then again that plotpoint seems to have been thrown out of the window so its not really worth debating about it


/shrug

Good point, but it doesn't make sense for her to be able to make sense out of Shepard's vision without the Cipher.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Damn I love that mini-comic.

Just what on earth is Freya doing to Liara under that desk? Must you be over 18 to find out? :P

but we are, so whats the problem?:P

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justinnstuff wrote...

/shrug

Good point, but it doesn't make sense for her to be able to make sense out of Shepard's vision without the Cipher.


Plot hole discovered! :D

IDK, to me Liara just seemed to be interested in the Protheans in general, but dedicated her studies and research to that specific aspect of them, and in discovering why they disappeared. Judging by her comments on the Citadel and Feros, she also seems knowledgeable and interested in Prothean society, culture and art too.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Hmm, I can't see that happening based upon the fact that Liara hates her job as an information broker, and everything it entails, and that her only motivation and reason for working in the field is so that she can find the Shadow Broker. Nothing else.

Plus, Nyxeris does say that Liara could hold even more power and influence if she wanted to, but which she obviously forgoes. To me, this suggests that Liara doesn't want the power, or has any ambition to increase her influence working as an information broker, and her solitary goal is to find and destroy the Shadow Broker. Once she's done that, I think she's finished as an information broker.

I can see Liara eventually taking up some sort of leadership role in asari society, however. That would be similar to Benezia.


I don't think Liara completely hates being an Info Broker, just some parts of it.  Intellectually, it is similar to being an archaeologist.  She likes this part.  There may be times she gets to help good people by giving them information...she may like this too.  The strong-arming and dealing with shady peoples...not so much.  However, that is a necessary part of the job.

The Nyxeris thing, I take that to mean Liara doesn't want political influence and power now as she is focused on destroying her enemy, the SB.  Who is to say that she won't want more influence after the SB is taken out?

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I don't think Liara completely hates being an Info Broker, just some parts of it.  


You know, it's just like being an Archaeologist, except the dead bodies still smell.

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justinnstuff wrote...

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She mentions in ME1 "and then they mysteriously vanished. I have dedicated my life to discovering why". Maybe a word or two was different, but her main focus was figuring out why they disappeared. Now we know. Also she got the cypher from Shepard to figure out where the conduit is, so she'd know a lot more than she used to. She's already got their history. What else is there to learn?


I doubt she has the Cypher,otherwise she would understand the Prothean transmission on Illos,which she doesnt so I would say Shepard and Shaila are the only people in possesion of it,but then again that plotpoint seems to have been thrown out of the window so its not really worth debating about it


/shrug

Good point, but it doesn't make sense for her to be able to make sense out of Shepard's vision without the Cipher.


But, Shepard has the cypher and I would imagine any asari linked up to Shep's mind would also possess it via Shep's mind for a time (until the mental link is severed).

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

/shrug

Good point, but it doesn't make sense for her to be able to make sense out of Shepard's vision without the Cipher.


Plot hole discovered! :D

IDK, to me Liara just seemed to be interested in the Protheans in general, but dedicated her studies and research to that specific aspect of them, and in discovering why they disappeared. Judging by her comments on the Citadel and Feros, she also seems knowledgeable and interested in Prothean society, culture and art too.

Could it be that Shep has the cipher so the visions are clearer to him / her and Liara is just seeing it clearer cause of that. Not that she picked up the cipher. Liara would understand the vision better because of her knowledge.
Might be my first post here. Cant remember.  Ash fan here wanting to show some fellow ME1 LI support.

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Could it be that Shep has the cipher so the visions are clearer to him / her and Liara is just seeing it clearer cause of that. Not that she picked up the cipher. Liara would understand the vision better because of her knowledge.
Might be my first post here. Cant remember.  Ash fan here wanting to show some fellow ME1 LI support.


Yeah, I agree.  That's a better explanation than mine.  Liara never posesses the cipher but Shepard's visions presented to her are clearer and make sense b/c they are first interpreted in Shep's mind with the cipher. 

And, welcome from the Ash thread!

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jlb524 wrote...
I don't think Liara completely hates being an Info Broker, just some parts of it.  Intellectually, it is similar to being an archaeologist.  She likes this part.  There may be times she gets to help good people by giving them information...she may like this too.  The strong-arming and dealing with shady peoples...not so much.  However, that is a necessary part of the job.

The Nyxeris thing, I take that to mean Liara doesn't want political influence and power now as she is focused on destroying her enemy, the SB.  Who is to say that she won't want more influence after the SB is taken out?


Problem is she cant just pick the parts she likes,shes in for the full package
As for the Nyxeris line,I agree its quite ambigous and going that route of Liara harvesting more power etc would for sure satisfy Biowares "darkness" fetish

Still though again she just big on Illium and may have some significance in the Underworld of the Terminus systems,but that would not bring her the position her mother had,it might make her something like Aria but not something like Benezia before the whole Saren thing,besides I doubt the Asari politcal scene would accept someone that young
Then of course we have the plotpoint of her taking over the SBs network which would make her well the next SB and his organisation is geared towards making profit and ran like this for a long time so chances are Liara walks in and "reforms" it instantly are going against zero,more likely is she gets "reformed" by it which leads us again to the posibility of her becoming an antagonist and in the worst case even cannon fooder for Shepard

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jlb524 wrote...

I don't think Liara completely hates being an Info Broker, just some parts of it.  Intellectually, it is similar to being an archaeologist.  She likes this part.  There may be times she gets to help good people by giving them information...she may like this too.  The strong-arming and dealing with shady peoples...not so much.  However, that is a necessary part of the job.

The Nyxeris thing, I take that to mean Liara doesn't want political influence and power now as she is focused on destroying her enemy, the SB.  Who is to say that she won't want more influence after the SB is taken out?


You know, I've been thinking.

Maybe those aspects of the job that she hates are only necessary at the moment because she's currently working in the Terminus Systems, and therefore having to deal with mercs, pirates, slavers etc. Because of this, she's having to strong-arm some of her clients in that manner, which is something Liara obviously has a distaste for.

If she were to move her operations to Citadel space, perhaps Liara would be able to enjoy the aspects of the job that she likes, such as the gathering of knowledge and handing out information to decent people, without having to threaten or deal with shady clients? Perhaps she could enjoy her job then?

Take a look at Barla Von. Seems a nice, and respectable enough person. I think if Liara wanted to continue in the information field, she'd end up like him. Running a respectable, honest and innocent organisation, without having to deal with shady characters.

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Thanks for the welcome.I lurk this thread often. ME1 is my favorite game , so Liara is one of my favorite characters.