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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

What does people have against Evil!Liara plotline anyway?

[Goodwood]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Also, BioWare have done the whole thing before with Aribeth and Bastila. It's pretty tired and cliche now.

Indeed. Much as I like the idea of "The Power of Love", there's only so far one can take it. For example, one isn't going to liberate a Borg from the Collective only through love, mentoring, etc.; there would also have to be a whole f*ckload of SCIENCE! thrown in.

[JamieCOTC]

Yeah, but Shepard got through to Saren in the end and they didn't have any kind of emotional connection. They were both Specters, that's about it. Saren was w/ Sovereign every second of every day, had Reaper implants and everything, still it wasn't enough for "full" control. Shepard could get through to Liara pretty easily, I think, especially if they were LIs. Besides, I don't think the Reapers would try and be "cruel" to Shep. They just want him (her) for their own reasons, or now, possibly just out of the way, maybe make an example of the "hero", but I don't believe they think in terms of those kinds of emotions. TIM, on the other hand ...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

People don't like the idea of their favourite character turned evil or into an antagonist in a contrived manner for the sake of forced drama. Plus, it's pretty upsetting for those of us who have become really attached to Liara.

Also, BioWare have done the whole thing before with Aribeth and Bastila. It's pretty tired and cliche now.

To be honest. In a perfect world it could be a pretty memorable plotline.

However in a perfect world....

Each ME game would last 80 hours each.
Bioware would have infinite funds and unlimited time to make their games.

So yes. I don't want a Evil!Liara plotline in my ME3 either, but i will admit that if it could be pulled off (which it can't) without being contrived. It would make a good storyline!

Just my 2 cents.

[JamieCOTC]

For an Evil Liara plot line to work, the seeds would have had to be planted in ME1. I don't see it. Beyond that, I have to agree w/ Lizardviking.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

forced drama

....

It's pretty tired and cliche now.

These.

No offence to anyone considering it, but not only do I think its tedious, predictable and all round garbage but to top it off I think it cannot allow anywhere near the exposure I think is needed to drag the Liara character out of the mess ME2 got it all into.

If they did hypothetically got that route, we would have had ME1: Good romance. Somewhat brief and needed to be expanded on IMO, but overall very nice. ME2: Absolute garbage excuse of a cameo apparantly aiming to do nothing more than keep Liara out of the game, no matter how damaging or contrived it is.

Then to finish it off we get ME3: Liara is an antagonist, naturally having to spend most of the game away from Shepard, some of it at odds with Shepard, and if folks were lucky: a brief finale reunited.

Sorry, I dont think coming through all of that for a bit of "I love you" at the end would be worth it. Liara hasnt even uttered those words to Shepard yet. I think between now and the end of the Liara romance, one thing needed above all else is lots of interaction, mainly to make up for how much was missing during ME2.

I am hoping to have to work through a great deal of conversation between Shepard and Liara in ME3, because its the only way Im going to come out satisfied. Its why I wont accept anything less than a squadmate role.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 08 mai 2010 - 09:47 .

[JamieCOTC]

I believe Liara was screwed over just to make her less palatable to potential players so they could "stray" in ME2. The same could be said of As/Kaiden, but to a lesser degree. I also believe that there really was no clear reason to keep Liara out of ME2, so the writers made one up, but unfortunately, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense and feels "unfinished."

[jtav]

I wouldn't mind an antagonistic Liara. The series is sorely lacking in human-scale villains who are relatable and sympathetic. Liara is a powerful biotic, extremely intelligent, and tenacious and skilled enough to become a very good information broker within the space of two years. She would be quite the match for Shepard. I wouldn't want it to be a simple case of indoctrination, but something that Liara did completely or mostly by her own choice. So no being the new Saren. And I would rather it end without her dying. But Liara working against Shep for some reason has definite story possibilities.

[bjdbwea]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I also believe that there really was no clear reason to keep Liara out of ME2, so the writers made one up, but unfortunately, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense and feels "unfinished."

This. There was never any need for a "suicide mission" in the first place. If you don't implement that, there's no need to keep anyone away. They should have kept ALL companions from ME 1, possibly with the exception of Wrex. Give the Tali and Garrus fans their desired romance, add a few companions for the new players, maybe one male and one female LI. Of course also offer a chance to start the romances with Liara, Ash and Kaidan in ME 2. That way, ME 2 would have been a much better game, working with established characters would even have saved resources, and you wouldn't face the problem of having so many potential companions for ME 3.

There's only one logical explanation for all the dumb decisions they made during development, and that's drawing in as many new players as possible. But even then, several decisions don't really make sense.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

So anyway, what day next week are we expecting the announcement of this DLC?

I want to know exactly when any lingering hope I had that it would be the Liara DLC will be crushed.

Didn't someone on this topic say that most buisnesses (spelling? ) often reveal things on tuesday?

[muskettman87]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

So anyway, what day next week are we expecting the announcement of this DLC?

I want to know exactly when any lingering hope I had that it would be the Liara DLC will be crushed.

Hopefully monday or tuesday.My hopes are high but I've prepared myself for more "Kill geth in a tank and find a Prothean orb related to biotics" kinda stuff.

In the event its the latter, pardon my ignorance, but does anyone know when E3 is exactly?

[Noxis6]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Like I said though, I can't see a way they could do that with Liara without it seeming completely contrived and like they're forcing drama.

If they handled it in a manner similar to Big Boss in the Metal Gear series, then yeah I think it would be quite compelling. Problem is, we're very clearly shown Big Boss' start of darkness, how he's very sympathetic, and how he ultimately gains redemption. The things Big Boss did make sense for his character, and are in line with his motives. What we've been shown with Liara in ME2, I can't ever see her assuming an antagonistic role to Shepard because she holds her in such a high regard, and still means the world to her. To me, it would seem to come completely out of nowhere.

Also another problem with a potential Liara as antagonist plot is ME3 has to deal with the reaper invasion,so an antagonistic Liara that is not connected to the reapers would be pushed into the sidequests,which might lead to the whole losing a lot in terms of being compelling or satisfying
Besides I dont see us having that much time in ME3 to solve such things or do a lot political maneuvering or whatever,then again the reapers might be as lazy as the Darkspawn and will just harvest one planet and then sit around and wait for the final battle
All in all such a storyline with Liara I feel would be lacking,then again I doubt it would stop Bioware from making it be it only to play for drama and satisfying their "darkness" fetish

[jlb524]

I agree with Noxis....ME3 has enough to do with the main antagonists, the Reapers, since ME2 did nothing except turn them into a joke and provide us with memes (ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL!!!!!11)



Starting and resolving an antagonistic Liara situation is too much to do in one game with all the Reaper stuff. I'm not inherently opposed to an 'evil' Liara, but if they were going to do it, they should have set it up a lot better in ME2, or even started it there and made her an antagonist in that game.

[muskettman87]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

muskettman87 wrote...

In the event its the latter, pardon my ignorance, but does anyone know when E3 is exactly?

Just looked it up, and it starts on 15th June and lasts until the 17th. That's when my hopes will be high for any news regarding Liara content!

Thank you.  Right now I would be happy for any Liara content. E3 sounds like the perfect time to release any info, especially if its large and not just about the SB sub-plot. If thats the case I predict a release around the holidays. Just my opinion.

[bjdbwea]

What if ME 3 deals with the reapers only during the last hour? Enough time then for everything else. Like, recruiting random people and solving their problems. Surely then there would be enough time for a little quest involving Liara too?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

bjdbwea wrote...

What if ME 3 deals with the reapers only during the last hour? Enough time then for everything else. Like, recruiting random people and solving their problems. Surely then there would be enough time for a little quest involving Liara too?

If ME3 is going to deal with the reaper plot the same way ME2 did.... Im gonna be pissed then!

And no. Even a good Liara side quest won't make me happy if that were the case.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Also if they have to add "loyalty" to ME3. I pray to god that your teammates loyalty rise or falls depending on the choices you do throughout the mainplot, and not by reuniting them with their sister/father or whatever petty issues they have.

[Turdmuncher38]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Turdmuncher38 wrote...

post deleted cuz i don't want to get banned from this... i like the community;)

Ya might want to do something about that horribly gross and innapropriate name too.

im sooo sorry the name wasnt my choice it was set up by my dad as a laugh  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png  how do i change is there something in the control pannel  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png

[muskettman87]

I thought it would be cool if they made it like DA:O, and you just spend the game building an army to fight.Of course there would be sub-plots and various other time soaking activities (like scanning)