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[vigna]

Here is what is going through ME2 Shep's mind when he first sees Liara on Illium.

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Modifié par vigna, 03 mars 2010 - 08:10 .

[Nozybidaj]

Driveninhifi wrote...

I do hope we get to work him over in ME3, with the option of either turning him into the Alliance (which he probably has plants in), the Council (who will probably just execute him) or just shooting him in the face.

I'll take option C.

[bjdbwea]

Driveninhifi wrote...

Really, it's most likely a combination of a) running out of development time not wanting to spoil the comics and c) wanting the leave the player in the dark so they go to the new love interests.

Yeah, exactly. As nice as some hopeful interpretations in this thread here are, I simply doubt they put any much of that thought into it. What you said is what I assume too. But none of those three explanations, nor their combination, is any excuse for screwing this up so badly.

[Yeled]

Driveninhifi wrote...

Really, it's most likely a combination of a) running out of development time not wanting to spoil the comics and c) wanting the leave the player in the dark so they go to the new love interests.
It is pretty lame, and totally unrealistic. The head shake may have been the animators trying to have her imply they can't talk about "THEM" but I think it's too subtle. There needed to be some very obvious reason why Shepard cannot talk about their relationship, or at least have her tell Shepard to come back alive.

Maybe the head shake was a message directly from the animators to us, trying to imply the animators couldn't talk about the writers, who had roaylly messed Liara up. 

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

Really, it's most likely a combination of a) running out of development time not wanting to spoil the comics and c) wanting the leave the player in the dark so they go to the new love interests.

Yeah, exactly. As nice as some hopeful interpretations in this thread here are, I simply doubt they put any much of that thought into it. What you said is what I assume too. But none of those three explanations, nor their combination, is any excuse for screwing this up so badly.

Agreed, no matter what the fact remains they dropped the ball from the start with ME2.

[Debi-Tage]

Something that always struck me about the exchange between Liara and Shepard was that at some point you can ask her why she just won't talk to you and she says she is probably being recorded (assuming by the SB) but then she is so free to talk to you about your little hacking missions and things she is uncovering about the SB, etc. So, one can assume that if she were in fear of being recorded/watched by the SB that she would be less vocal about her leads concerning the SB. I have been wondering who else could be monitoring her, and if it is Cerberus it makes sense, Also TIM lies to you about Liara working for the SB when he obviously knows better.



In issue #3 the SB tells Liara that she is overreacting about the Collectors wanting Shepard's corpse "what could they possibly gain from it?" he asks at one point. Everyone is wrapped up in getting data on why the Collectors want Shepard in the first place (turning him/her into human reaper paste does not explain it). Feron finally gets the data concering the SB's dealings with the Collectors and turns to tell Liara who he is "really working for".

[Nozybidaj]

justinnstuff wrote...

Sakhalin wrote...

Yeah I blew up the base too, TIM can suck it! I don't know what else he said because all I heard was "bull****" on the line. And my second in command resigned from Cerberus. w00t

Miranda quitting Cerberus was a shocker to me. I didn't see that coming, but it was awesome nonetheless. Shepard can make even a diehard become loyal to him.

Yeah I was rather shocked when she resigned instead of putting a bullet in my head.

[Yeled]

Nozybidaj wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

Really, it's most likely a combination of a) running out of development time not wanting to spoil the comics and c) wanting the leave the player in the dark so they go to the new love interests.

Yeah, exactly. As nice as some hopeful interpretations in this thread here are, I simply doubt they put any much of that thought into it. What you said is what I assume too. But none of those three explanations, nor their combination, is any excuse for screwing this up so badly.

Agreed, no matter what the fact remains they dropped the ball from the start with ME2.

That's the problem with all the speculation regarding brilliant, conveluted plots and motivations.  It could all come down to laziness or sloppiness.

[Raanz]

Driveninhifi wrote...

It's something I read on another forum, I have no idea if it's true. It does make some sense, especially with how #3 plays out.

It's implied that Feron works for Cerberus. Taz gets away from Feron and Liara at the end of #2 and takes Shepard to the Shadow Broker base. Miranda wants to chase them and The Illusive Man tells her to wait, saying "I've involved assets you aren't aware of" At the end of this issue, Feron says "I should probably tell you who I actually work for..."
This also explains why Feron might still be alive after 2 years - if he does work for Cerberus, the Shadow Broker would definitely try and get as much info out of him as possible.
We know Feron must die/get captured in #4. This leaves the Illusive Man without an agent to watch the Shadow Broker. We also know the Shadow Broker tends to kill people who cross/betray him (Fist in ME1, for example). So it makes sense the SB would put a large bounty on Liara's head. The Illusive Man could easily say "Want to see Shepard again? Work for me and we'll give you resources and protection. But you can't talk to Shepard and distract him from the mission we're giving him. If you do, we'll stop protecting you, and the Shadow Broker will kill you."
It also solves how she would take down the Shadow Broker once she found him: she doesn't have to worry about Cerberus' forces shooting her in the back during the mission.

It's actually a really interesting way to do it: the only other person that could possibly protect her is Shepard....who is currently on a Cerberus ship that staffed with a Cerberus crew. So she's really stuck - she has no choice but to stay silent if she ever wants to be with Shepard again. It still doesn't explain why Shepard can't say anything - but I think that's more a case of the writers trying to hold back than anything else (which is really lame, to be sure)

This^
The reason I tend to go with this theory is because it works regardless of love interest.  If you really want to try and figure out what BW is up to, you have to look at it from that perspective.  The story has to work in both scenarios.
As I have mentioned earlier in another thread, I am still under the impression that ME3 will have several "big" moral decisions..or just life and death decisions...one will include your love interest no matter who that is.   If it happens to be Liara (like most of us in this thread), this talked about theory would play you right into it.  Basically, you choose "saving" Liara against something else of equal value.  That could be a different love interest, your ties with Cerberus, or even the Council/Spectre status...maybe an entire colony or world...who knows..
We know now that there are or can be at least a couple of different conflicts going on in your saved game.  Your LI is probably alive (unless somehow you managed to let them die in the suicide mission) so I see a decision having to be made in regards to them and Liara.  Liara is central to the Mass Effect story, even if you didn't bed her, she brought you back to life, that in itself gives her a bigger role then just a meager LI.

[jlb524]

Littledoom wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Also, don't forget that the Game Developer's Conference will start of the 9th March, and there are rumours that BioWare will be showing some DLC there. Could be the Liara DLC.

I think it's the hammerhead they are showing off there unfortunately.

Uggghhh!

Well, they can show the hammerhead and just announce Liara DLC.

[Debi-Tage]

There is one part in the comic where Liara tells Feron "If you can't help me find Shepard, I'm done with you!" 

[morrie23]

It's entirely possible that the shown DLC at GDC will be the hammerhead, but I bloody hope not. I thought the GDC rumour was for DLC announcement, not showing already announced stuff off.

Modifié par morrie23, 03 mars 2010 - 08:42 .