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[Erinlana]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Nice work, Erin! I like them!

"Biotic Goddess"? Liara is far superior to that silly volus.

lol It is not in relation to the Volus , I only added Biotic Goddess to the wallpaper because i feel Asari are true biotics and Liara & her bad ass biotics have earned her such a title , Plus i thought it would add Humour to the wallpaper hehe

Modifié par Erinlana, 12 mai 2010 - 03:31 .

[bjdbwea]

Mr. Priestly says he's a "super-fan" (of Liara, apparently). At least I had a good laugh when reading that PR piece. Almost more than the game gave me.

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...

Mr. Priestly says he's a "super-fan" (of Liara, apparently). At least I had a good laugh when reading that PR piece. Almost more than the game gave me.

Hehe, well to be fair, Chris just posts what PR gives him.  I doubt those are his words. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

[Erinlana]

I am going now guys



talk laters

[bjdbwea]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Hehe, well to be fair, Chris just posts what PR gives him.  I doubt those are his words. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

I don't know. Of course he's basically told what to say, and that he'd never be allowed to say anything negative even if he wanted to, goes without saying. Comes with losing your independence. But I doubt someone else writes the stuff for him. The term "super-fan" is probably his.


Just a reminder: Everyone who buys the comics, supports what they did. Not saying you shouldn't buy, just stating a fact.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 12 mai 2010 - 04:50 .

[Marcin K]

 pic time:

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...

Just a reminder: Everyone who buys the comics, supports what they did. Not saying you shouldn't buy, just stating a fact.

Agreed.  I didn't purchase any of the comics and certainly won't be getting the collected editions.  Why pay BW to ruin my favorite character?  Seems ridiculous.

[jlb524]

bjdbwea wrote...

Just a reminder: Everyone who buys the comics, supports what they did. Not saying you shouldn't buy, just stating a fact.

I do own all four of them but I'm not buying the trade paperback or hardcover versions.  I'm not a 'super fan' I guess :innocent:

@Erin

Those wallpapers are lovely!  I might steal one for my desktop.

[Noxis6]

Pesonally I bought the comics in the vain hope of getting an answer or at least a little bit progression to explain the character change,but it was basicly just continued slaughtering of Liaras character with nothing to explain it



No reason to pay twice for that

[jtav]

I'll be buying the hardcover. By the time I was aware that there was a comic, they were on #3. I want to read it for myself.

[jlb524]

Noxis6 wrote...

Pesonally I bought the comics in the vain hope of getting an answer or at least a little bit progression to explain the character change,but it was basicly just continued slaughtering of Liaras character with nothing to explain it

No reason to pay twice for that

My feelings exactly.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

The basic premise of Redemption is fine, though. The whole story idea of Liara retrieving Shepard's body had the potential to be very compelling, and could have appealed to us Liara fans greatly.

It's execution, however, was awful. I don't know if they amped up her character in it to try to present her as some kind of comic book heroine, but she's OOC virtually all the way through all four issues. It really was a wasted opportunity to expand on Liara's character, and provide some exposition as to how she's lost her idealism and become so jaded, and the start of her suffering and guilt, and her fear Shepard will hate her. But we get none of that.

I know, it sucks.  I could've been good.  Her character was just reset at the beginning and did not progress at all. 

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

bjdbwea wrote...

Mr. Priestly says he's a "super-fan" (of Liara, apparently). At least I had a good laugh when reading that PR piece. Almost more than the game gave me.

Apparantly Priestly is a comic book fan if memory serves, so Im sure hes only a "super-fan" of a comic he technically worked on because its a comic and its a Bioware product, not because of Liara. He doesnt like video game romances and I imagine that would colour his view of Liara.

I am (or perhaps was) a "super-fan" of Liara, and couldnt really give a toss about comic books (I find most to be quite silly), so its swings and roundabouts.

[IndigoWolfe]

We were talking about theme songs for Shepard and Liara a while back (I call 'em Lepard!), and I don't believe anyone linked to these, which I find very evocative of the pair.

Greater Lights

Awake And Alive - Skillet (Well, kinda. Far less in a romantic light then characters personalities. Paragon Shepard at least, or maybe Renegon.

My Hands - Leona Lewis

Bring Me To Life - Evenescence (Basically, Mass Effect Redemption's theme song.)

And my personal, absolute favorite:

I See You - Leona Lewis (Yes, Lewis again)

I See You makes me think of Shepard and Liara. Every. Single. Time.

Now I just hope I copied all the right URLs...

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

The basic premise of Redemption is fine, though. The whole story idea of Liara retrieving Shepard's body had the potential to be very compelling, and could have appealed to us Liara fans greatly.

It's execution, however, was awful. I don't know if they amped up her character in it to try to present her as some kind of comic book heroine, but she's OOC virtually all the way through all four issues. It really was a wasted opportunity to expand on Liara's character, and provide some exposition as to how she's lost her idealism and become so jaded, and the start of her suffering and guilt, and her fear Shepard will hate her. But we get none of that.

I know Walters is credited as the writer of the series, and Miller as the scripter, so is it possible that Walters handed Miller a general story outline, to which he may have misunderstood and consequently written Liara so OOC throughout the entire series run? IDK, I'm just trying to think of a reason as to why the character acts so much unlike Liara throughout all four issues.

Well, in an interview I read, I think Miller went on record that he never played the game, and instead watched videos that were given to him. I think he also didn't know exactly what Liara was turning into (don't take my word for this. This is just what I "think" he said, because I haven't read the interview in 4 months.) But again, if he's the reason Liara's out of character, remember, Bioware had to approve what he's doing before they could go to print. So "they approved what he did" even though it was inconsistent.

Here's the interview. I have to go to work, so I don't have time to reread it, find out what's what for yourself.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 12 mai 2010 - 04:40 .

[Noxis6]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

The basic premise of Redemption is fine, though. The whole story idea of Liara retrieving Shepard's body had the potential to be very compelling, and could have appealed to us Liara fans greatly.

It's execution, however, was awful. I don't know if they amped up her character in it to try to present her as some kind of comic book heroine, but she's OOC virtually all the way through all four issues. It really was a wasted opportunity to expand on Liara's character, and provide some exposition as to how she's lost her idealism and become so jaded, and the start of her suffering and guilt, and her fear Shepard will hate her. But we get none of that.

I know Walters is credited as the writer of the series, and Miller as the scripter, so is it possible that Walters handed Miller a general story outline, to which he may have misunderstood and consequently written Liara so OOC throughout the entire series run? IDK, I'm just trying to think of a reason as to why the character acts so much unlike Liara throughout all four issues.

Personally I would say the main line of thinking for the comic was "How do we get Liara out of the game and are able to make some quick cash with it"
As I pointed out earlier it would have been easy to have other characters take her place for example Miranda and Jacob would have worked the same way

Also as I said there was no progression it feels more like they just pushed the reset button to fit Liara in the whole "dark and edgy" theme,strangly that wasnt necessary for Tali,but whatever we just got it thrown at us
So my hopes are not high for everything thats on the horizon,the only answer I just want now is will the at least partially try to ressurect the character they assasinated or will they dance on her grave,so far my money is on dancing

I wouldnt even be suprised if there is no Liara DLC and we get contacted by the SB in ME3 who reveals itself to be Liara and tells you she kind of killed the last one and all this while Shepard still goes

[jlb524]

Noxis6 wrote...

I wouldnt even be suprised if there is no Liara DLC and we get contacted by the SB in ME3 who reveals itself to be Liara and tells you she kind of killed the last one and all this while Shepard still goes

Aw, don't give them ideas

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Noxis6 wrote...

Personally I would say the main line of thinking for the comic was "How do we get Liara out of the game and are able to make some quick cash with it"
As I pointed out earlier it would have been easy to have other characters take her place for example Miranda and Jacob would have worked the same way

This is basically it. Especially since weve seen first hand evidence and also heard rumours that a lot of Liaras "shadow broker content" was originally meant to be in the game. Like that kick ass prologue with Liara and Legion (A character I think totally sucks because its just in the game far too late) that was supposedly cut because it wasnt noob friendly.

I think the whole mentality is "well cut that out, and milk a little comic out of it".

[Larask]

bjdbwea wrote...

Mr. Priestly says he's a "super-fan" (of Liara, apparently). At least I had a good laugh when reading that PR piece. Almost more than the game gave me.

hehe no, he's not a super fan of Liara. He's a super fan of comics in general, and that's why he talks about the hardcover b/c it would be a special edition type of thing.

[screwoffreg]

Yeah, people are overthinking the Liara thing. The intent in ME 2 was to radically shift your character into a different mindset and focus on different characters. To do that, without sufficient development time, you needed dramatic events like:



Death

Council ignores/exiles you

Liara becomes "bad"

Ashley/Kaiden grar angry!

Shadow Broker is a ****** (for some reason he is immensely powerful in ME 1, but in ME 2 can't even kill a second-rate information broker)