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Support Liara T'Soni for ME3 - Squadmate and LI

Débuté par Nozybidaj , févr. 18 2010 08:42

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 04:14

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jlb524 wrote...

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But it could be an awesome scene. The difrent squadmates could have difrent reactions to the whole ordeal. Would Garrus be able to keep his "mission comes first" attitude if his good ol" commander is totured? How will Liara react if innocent lives will be lost because the commander gave away information and now endagered some planet or other in order to stop her being totured?


They'd all have the same, generic reation...'Oh noes, the Commander is being tortured!'.  The Mass Effect series is now big on shooting, not so big on dramatic storytelling.


I doubt it's because of the shooting thing, more about the fact that there is 16 difrent squadmembers now.

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 04:17

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jlb524 wrote...

I do wonder what Samara would think of Liara? I think Samara would respect Liara for what she is doing presently....putting her life on hold to stop the Shadow Broker and right some injustice.


Considering it's kinda linked - shameless plug for my own oneshot featuring Samara and Liara - http://www.fanfictio...reaking_Through

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 04:18

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Ooooh, nice. Two great new pieces of Liara fanart. I think they're both great. Nice work, Iglo and MDK. Can't wait to see the finished versions of both of them!

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 04:25

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I do wonder what Samara would think of Liara? I think Samara would respect Liara for what she is doing presently....putting her life on hold to stop the Shadow Broker and right some injustice.


Considering it's kinda linked - shameless plug for my own oneshot featuring Samara and Liara - http://www.fanfictio...reaking_Through


I have read that one, actually.  Very nice.  I like how Samara 'teases' Liara by mentioning the other woman on the ship that could be good for Shepard.

You wrote Samara as ultimately disapproving of Liara's current course.  I could see that too, depending on exactly what kinds of trouble Liara has gotten herself into.  The current story isn't real clear on this, though we can assume that since Liara is an info broker on Illium, she has been involved with the criminal underbelly there.

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 04:57

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Captain Iglo wrote...

OH GOD Im bored sometimes....! Well a reminder of good old Me1 times :)

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This is great! :lol:

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 05:03

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Hello, my fellow Liara fans!:wizard:
Any important news here the last few days? (yep i'm too lazy to read the last 60 pages.. ^^)

btw... Thats a great picture... ah yes, ME1 those were good times... xD

bjdbwea wrote...

Captain Iglo wrote...

OH GOD Im bored sometimes....! Well a reminder of good old Me1 times :)
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This is great! :lol:


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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 05:20

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Derumiel wrote...

Hello, my fellow Liara fans!:wizard:
Any important news here the last few days? (yep i'm too lazy to read the last 60 pages.. ^^)


Nope, nada.  The fanbase is stagnant atm.  We need some new Liara content bad!

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 05:21

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Captain Iglo wrote...

OH GOD Im bored sometimes....! Well a reminder of good old Me1 times :)

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AWASOME!:lol::lol:
sorry for my disappearance lastly, but:
1.during the weekend my net was doin DONGY-DUNGY-WACKY so i was unable to get online, and here we come to reason:
2.i was off cos i was doing things that were supposed to be done by weekend....but all is sorted now.....i think....:P

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 05:29

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I'm heading off to a family meal thingy now......and when I get back, that drawing should be finished within a couple of hours.

Here's the 2 most recent previews, in case anyone missed it...

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Huh......according to photobucket, one of the older previews of the pic has been removed due to inappropriate content.....apparantly a shot of Liara and Shepard, fully dressed and standing back to back is now explicit....

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 05:35

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

I'm heading off to a family meal thingy now......and when I get back, that drawing should be finished within a couple of hours.


Looking forward to seeing the finished version!

Huh......according to photobucket, one of the older previews of the pic has been removed due to inappropriate content.....apparantly a shot of Liara and Shepard, fully dressed and standing back to back is now explicit....


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I've seen worse on photobucket...I have worse myself :whistle:

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:10

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Something I noticed earlier on, when watching the opening of ME2 when the Normandy is under attack and destroyed.



Liara's reluctance and sadness at leaving Shepard is obvious. She wants to stay at her side, she's willing to risk her life to stay at Shepard's side. Her reluctance and sadness at leaving Shepard is shown in that last, pleading "Shepard....".



Now, until earlier on I was pretty critical of Shepard showing little emotion towards Liara at that point, until I noticed something. After Liara leaves, have you noticed how Shepard pauses for a few seconds, like she's realised what she's just done in sending away her lover? Shepard then angrily slams her hand down on the distress button on the control panel. I never noticed it before, but Shepard is hurt at having to order Liara to leave, too. She probably knows she may die, and never see Liara again, but she had to order Liara to go to protect her, and insure that she herself lives. Very touching.



Shepard and Liara both wanted to stay together. In the end, they were both torn apart. Sad.

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:18

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I always like to think (in my wild imagination) that Liara feels guilty because of that whole scene. She delayed Shepard a bit with her reluctance to leave with the rest of the crew. If you think about it, if Shepard was just a few seconds quicker retrieving Joker and getting him into the escape pod, she would also have been able to get into the escape pod and would have survived. So I think Liara would blame herself for Shepard's death because of this, especially after hearing Joker re-tell the story of how Shepard died..... 'If I would have just listened to her the first time, she would have made it to the escape pod in time and would still be alive.'



Liara would feel that her love for Shepard was somewhat responsible for her death and this would eat her up inside....tragic stuff.

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:25

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jlb524 wrote...

I always like to think (in my wild imagination) that Liara feels guilty because of that whole scene. She delayed Shepard a bit with her reluctance to leave with the rest of the crew. If you think about it, if Shepard was just a few seconds quicker retrieving Joker and getting him into the escape pod, she would also have been able to get into the escape pod and would have survived. So I think Liara would blame herself for Shepard's death because of this, especially after hearing Joker re-tell the story of how Shepard died..... 'If I would have just listened to her the first time, she would have made it to the escape pod in time and would still be alive.'

Liara would feel that her love for Shepard was somewhat responsible for her death and this would eat her up inside....tragic stuff.


I think that's the case, J. We know from Redemption that Liara blames herself for Shepard's death, and that already the guilt and pain is beginning to eat her up inside. That's really sad, and like you say extremely tragic. We've theorised so many ways in which Liara has suffered over the past two years, and what kind of pain and worry she's experiencing mentally and emotionally. Every single one of these theories is entirely possible, and would make sense. What if it does turn out to be the case that everything we theorise turns out to be true, and Liara has suffered and been emotionally tormented on a massive scale like that? That would be so heartwrenchingly sad. I feel so bad for Liara, and just how much she's suffered.

Next time I play the intro to ME2, I'm going to have Shepard rush to Joker as quickly as possible in the vain hope that history will change and she'll jump into the escape pod with him. I know it'd never happen, but still.....:crying: Shepard can then be with Liara, and she won't have to suffer.

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:29

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Those are interesting thoughts, but of course as we all know it went nowhere in the game. If they weren't able or willing to deal with these issues properly, then they should never have implemented the whole "Shepard died" stuff in the first place.



In any case, I think Shepard did the right thing by sending Liara away. Joker is to blame, he lost his nerves. Otherwise everyone would've been able to escape in time.

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:31

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Just like in ME1 - Joker gets in the way

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:31

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I think that's the case, J. We know from Redemption that Liara blames herself for Shepard's death, and that already the guilt and pain is beginning to eat her up inside.


That explanation works for a Liara that did romance Shepard, but not for one who didn't.  In other cases, Ashley or Kaidan are the ones to delay Shepard (besides Joker, of course).  If I didn't romance Liara, Ashley would have shown up, as it defaults to the surviving Alliance soldier, independent of romance with them.

I do like how this Liara/Redemption guilt thing is left up to interpretation, and as a 'Liarasexual' that's how I like to interpret it, as it fits well with the romance and the beginning ME2 scene.  I'm not sure how a non-Liaramancer would interpret her guilt and her desire for 'Redemption', but I don't care as I always romance her and that's up to them to interpret it how they would like to!

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:34

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bjdbwea wrote...

Those are interesting thoughts, but of course as we all know it went nowhere in the game. If they weren't able or willing to deal with these issues properly, then they should never have implemented the whole "Shepard died" stuff in the first place.

In any case, I think Shepard did the right thing by sending Liara away. Joker is to blame, he lost his nerves. Otherwise everyone would've been able to escape in time.


Ultimately, it's more Joker's fault for disobeying orders, but I see Liara still blaming herself.  Technically, if she did follow the first order, Shepard would still be alive...I'm sure Liara (and her over-analytical mind) has thought of this.

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:37

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Joker would have been punished, though. It's likely he would have been court martialed by the Alliance for directly disobeying his commander officer's orders, and prevented from ever piloting a ship again. What's galling though is that when Shepard meets with him again, he seems to show absolutely no regret, remorse, sympathy or appreciation to Shepard for everything that's happened.



Seriously. If Joker had evacuated along with everybody else, Shepard would have boarded the escape pod with Liara, and everything would have been fine. Liara wouldn't have suffered as much as she has.

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:43

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

What's galling though is that when Shepard meets with him again, he seems to show absolutely no regret, remorse, sympathy or appreciation to Shepard for everything that's happened.


I find it even worse that Shepard can't even say anything about the matter to Joker. The game even forces a happy reaction upon Shepard when meeting Joker again. Not even when Joker later shouts at Shepard for allegedly abandoning him (!), can Shepard really put him in his place.

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jlb524 wrote...
I do like how this Liara/Redemption guilt thing is left up to interpretation, and as a 'Liarasexual' that's how I like to interpret it, as it fits well with the romance and the beginning ME2 scene.  I'm not sure how a non-Liaramancer would interpret her guilt and her desire for 'Redemption', but I don't care as I always romance her and that's up to them to interpret it how they would like to!


Yep, it's left ambiguous for that very reason. It's canon that Liara is on board the Normandy at the time that it's attacked, even if you don't see her in-game if you romance Ash or Kaidan. In my playthroughs, I like to imagine Ashley was elsewhere on the Normandy and escaped without harm. That'd be true for Shepards who didn't romance Liara. She's elsewhere on the Normandy, and successfully evacuated.

Like you said, J, it's up to the non-Liara romancers to interpret her guilt and the fact that she blames herself for Shepard's death, but for all of us who romance Liara, it's very easy as to see why. Liara would believe she delayed Shepard due to her reluctance to evacuate.

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:48

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Hey guys ! ^_^



*hugs*

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:50

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Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

I'm heading off to a family meal thingy now......and when I get back, that drawing should be finished within a couple of hours.

Here's the 2 most recent previews, in case anyone missed it...

Image IPB

Image IPB

Huh......according to photobucket, one of the older previews of the pic has been removed due to inappropriate content.....apparantly a shot of Liara and Shepard, fully dressed and standing back to back is now explicit....



Aww , i like these so far ^_^

they are so touching & cute >.< Image IPB

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:51

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Hi Erin!



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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:54

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Hi Erin!

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Lol i wish i could open this forum everytime with a kiss from Liara like that Image IPBImage IPB

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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:54

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Hi Erin!

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Lol i wish i could open this thread everytime with a kiss from Liara like that Image IPBImage IPB

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